[WISPA] CALEA Document

2017-01-25 Thread Sam Morris
It's my understanding that one just needs to have documentation in place as to what they will do if presented with a CALEA request. Does this need to be extremely detailed, or can it be boilerplate? Does anyone have a CALEA document they wouldn't mind sharing? There's a couple beers in it for y

Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance

2011-03-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Re: [WISPA] Calea ComplianceRight. There are documents that WISPA has created to help with this. http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=2022 We also have an implementation guide but the board has not determined how that's to be distributed. We can certainly get a copy to you if you are a m

Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance

2011-03-07 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
pa.org] On Behalf Of Roger Howard Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 10:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance Ok, but the FBI wouldn't know I stuck the hardware there at the last minute. And the tower glitches off whenever I do a firmware upgrade anyway. The custome

Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance

2011-03-06 Thread Justin Wilson
allow for what LEA needs to get a conviction for >the guilty party. All of these are built into CALEA. > >> >> CALEA has many regs which say when we are doing too much to help tap >> connections. The WISPA CALEA standard was created to act as a >> guideline for WISPs. I

Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance

2011-03-06 Thread Butch Evans
into CALEA. > > CALEA has many regs which say when we are doing too much to help tap > connections. The WISPA CALEA standard was created to act as a > guideline for WISPs. It tells precisely what our obligations are in > helping assure we can perform lawful intercepts in our net

Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance

2011-03-06 Thread John Scrivner
too intrusive. CALEA has many regs which say when we are doing too much to help tap connections. The WISPA CALEA standard was created to act as a guideline for WISPs. It tells precisely what our obligations are in helping assure we can perform lawful intercepts in our network and in preventing

Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance

2011-03-05 Thread Roger Howard
Ok, but the FBI wouldn't know I stuck the hardware there at the last minute. And the tower glitches off whenever I do a firmware upgrade anyway. The customer wouldn't know the difference. On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Depends who you ask.  Some might say the customer could

Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance

2011-03-05 Thread Josh Luthman
Depends who you ask. Some might say the customer could notice a "change in network" and hence non compliant. On Mar 5, 2011 10:43 PM, "Roger Howard" wrote: > Would I cover myself for calea by having a mikrotik router on the > shelf, set up as a bridge, with the calea module installed. Then if I >

[WISPA] Calea Compliance

2011-03-05 Thread Roger Howard
Would I cover myself for calea by having a mikrotik router on the shelf, set up as a bridge, with the calea module installed. Then if I get subpoenaed for a tap, I just run out to the appropriate tower and put it on the ethernet interface of whichever AP the subscriber is on? Thanks, Roger -

[WISPA] Fw: [WISPA CALEA Questions] [CALEA] CALEA Question

2010-07-30 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
pa.org Cc: caleaquesti...@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA CALEA Questions] [CALEA] CALEA Question Martha, Mike, Marlon, WISPA members, I have reviewed your EMail questions regarding the FCC's new definition of broadband and have discussed them with the

[WISPA] Fw: [WISPA CALEA Questions] Trango and CALEA

2008-12-21 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
fyi marlon - Original Message - From: "J.C. Utter" To: "CALEA Questions" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA CALEA Questions] [WISPA] Trango and CALEA >> In an ideal world one would never even "touch" a packet that had not

[WISPA] Fw: [WISPA CALEA Questions] Trango and CALEA

2008-12-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
fyi marlon - Original Message - From: "Michael J. Erskine" To: "CALEA Questions" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA CALEA Questions] [WISPA] Trango and CALEA > Good evening everyone! Happy Christmas to all of you. > > It has b

[WISPA] Fw: [WISPA CALEA Questions] Trango and CALEA

2008-12-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- Original Message - From: "Michael Erskine" To: "CALEA Questions" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA CALEA Questions] [WISPA] Trango and CALEA > CALEA prevents even the WISP from over collecting. We are no longer > permitted to

[WISPA] Fw: [WISPA CALEA Questions] Trango and CALEA

2008-12-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Jesse is one of the main writers of the WISPA CALEA standard. marlon - Original Message - From: "Jesse Norell" To: "Josh Luthman" Cc: "CALEA Questions" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA CALEA Questions] [WISPA] Trango and CALEA

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA CALEA Questions] Trango and CALEA

2008-12-19 Thread Jeff Broadwick
a.org Subject: Re: [WISPA CALEA Questions] [WISPA] Trango and CALEA You'll just have to drop a tap in right behind the AP. If you have client to client allowed I have no idea how to help you. Anyone else have any ideas for Josh? (remember to hit reply all) marlon - Original Message

Re: [WISPA] Calea compliance contractors

2008-11-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hi Chris, Butch would be a good place to start. I've also cc'd the rest of the WISPA calea team. Maybe there are people on there that do things I don't know about. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting service

[WISPA] Calea compliance contractors

2008-11-25 Thread Christopher Orr
Hi all- I'm just curious if anyone has a contact for someone that is a CALEA compliance contractor. Essentially we are looking for a third party that can verify compliance. Hit me offlist, please. Regards, -chris

Re: [WISPA] CALEA

2007-11-30 Thread Mark Nash
al Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:32 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] CALEA > On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, Jeff Broadwick wrote: > > >1. The ISP will know a actual intercept subpoena is coming before

RE: [WISPA] CALEA

2007-11-30 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, Larry Yunker wrote: If I am not mistaken, when you are being asked to provide information in a legal matter in which you are not a named-party in the legal action, you are being placed in the position of a witness. Exactly. This is where the "duty" that I mentioned in m

Re: [WISPA] CALEA

2007-11-30 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, Frank Muto wrote: I have a question though you may or may be able to answer it. In point 1, you said you gave the LEA information on how to word their subpoena? Was this knowledge based on an attorneys consult? I'll assume it may have been unless you are an attorney yourse

RE: [WISPA] CALEA

2007-11-30 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, Jeff Broadwick wrote: 1. The ISP will know a actual intercept subpoena is coming before they receive it. Actually, in a couple of cases, this was true. In the others, the subpoena came without any notice. 3. The LEA would like the ISP to have all the CALEA "I's" dott

RE: [WISPA] CALEA

2007-11-30 Thread Larry Yunker
Comments Below... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Muto Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA I have a question though you may or may be able to answer it. In point 1, you said you

RE: [WISPA] CALEA

2007-11-30 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Jeromie Reeves Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA It looks like the FCC making us be CALEA compliant was a total waste of time & effort (on both parties sides) and only made a atmosphere of fear. It also sounds like while they filed for informa

Re: [WISPA] CALEA

2007-11-30 Thread Frank Muto
d when writing up a subpoena and or warrant to present to the court. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Wispa List" Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 3:57 AM Subject: [WISP

Re: [WISPA] CALEA

2007-11-30 Thread Jeromie Reeves
It looks like the FCC making us be CALEA compliant was a total waste of time & effort (on both parties sides) and only made a atmosphere of fear. It also sounds like while they filed for information that has classically been available pre-calea, has anyone had to comply with the real time streaming

RE: [WISPA] CALEA

2007-11-30 Thread Jeff Broadwick
November 30, 2007 3:57 AM To: Wispa List Subject: [WISPA] CALEA I just wanted to make a brief post relating a few experiences relating to the CALEA "scare" that was recently the "talk of the town" (so to speak). I should preface this post with a bit of information that will giv

[WISPA] CALEA

2007-11-30 Thread Butch Evans
I just wanted to make a brief post relating a few experiences relating to the CALEA "scare" that was recently the "talk of the town" (so to speak). I should preface this post with a bit of information that will give some insight into how common (or not) law enforcement will or will not use CAL

Re: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ???

2007-10-29 Thread George Rogato
: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ??? I guess from the lack of response nobody is compensating for their CALEA costs?...or maybe my email didn't make it to the list? Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Friday, Octob

RE: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ???

2007-10-29 Thread Marty Dougherty
: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ??? Hi Dylan, I am not compensating for this. I am not sure that customers would be appreciative or understand. Also, the costs that you are referring to could possibly happen only when you are given a subpoenaed unless you are

RE: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ???

2007-10-29 Thread Jeff Broadwick
PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ??? I guess from the lack of response nobody is compensating for their CALEA costs?...or maybe my email didn't make it to the list? Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Beha

Re: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ???

2007-10-29 Thread Martha Huizenga
007 5:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) It was mentioned back during the CALEA hype that some had considered or did add a CALEA fee on their Internet Service bills. I'm curious if this was done and if it was successful (without upsetting customers or creatin

[WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) ???

2007-10-29 Thread Dylan Bouterse
neral List Subject: [WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs) It was mentioned back during the CALEA hype that some had considered or did add a CALEA fee on their Internet Service bills. I'm curious if this was done and if it was successful (without upsetting customers or creating too many billing

[WISPA] CALEA (recovering costs)

2007-10-26 Thread Dylan Bouterse
It was mentioned back during the CALEA hype that some had considered or did add a CALEA fee on their Internet Service bills. I'm curious if this was done and if it was successful (without upsetting customers or creating too many billing inquiries). Feel free to reply off list if you don't want to a

[WISPA] CALEA FCC Comments

2007-06-21 Thread Peter R.
PLEADING CYCLE EXTENDED IN THE MATTER OF PETITION FOR EXPEDITED RULEMAKING TO ESTABLISH TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS PURSUANT TO SECTION 107(b) OF THE COMMUNICATIONS ASSISTANCE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ACT (CALEA) RM-11376 http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-07-2522A1.pdf Comme

Re: [WISPA] What is WISPA? (CALEA timeline)

2007-05-17 Thread Peter R.
Sam Tetherow wrote: I don't want to drag this topic up again, BUT ;) Two years ago, did this apply to ISPs or just VOIP providers? I don't remember anyone on the lists talking about CALEA being for anything other than VOICE in various forms, but maybe my memory is selective, wouldn't be the

[WISPA] CALEA solutions.

2007-05-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
with (all solutions will be either from or looked over by the CALEA committee members, no endorsements etc. blah blah blah though) on the committee I'll get them added to the WISPA CALEA page so you can easily find them again. Here's the first one I've gotten back from a committee me

Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ Questions

2007-05-10 Thread John Scrivner
iving there is doing something bad? It was my understanding that a bit more info is required and it has to actually have a person or persons in mind. Why would data taps be treated any differently? Lonnie On 5/10/07, Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been reading the WIS

Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ Questions

2007-05-10 Thread Sam Tetherow
Lonnie On 5/10/07, Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been reading the WISPA CALEA FAQ and was a little concerned about > question #10. If the LEA does not know who the suspect is using an open > access point does this mean that everyone that has used that access > point wi

Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ Questions

2007-05-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
r since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 6:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ Questions Ma

Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ Questions

2007-05-10 Thread Martha Huizenga
spect "someone" living there is doing something bad? It was my understanding that a bit more info is required and it has to actually have a person or persons in mind. Why would data taps be treated any differently? Lonnie On 5/10/07, Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been

Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ Questions

2007-05-10 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
ifferently? Lonnie On 5/10/07, Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been reading the WISPA CALEA FAQ and was a little concerned about > question #10. If the LEA does not know who the suspect is using an open > access point does this mean that everyone that has used that access >

Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ Questions

2007-05-10 Thread Matt
I have been reading the WISPA CALEA FAQ and was a little concerned about question #10. If the LEA does not know who the suspect is using an open access point does this mean that everyone that has used that access point will have their data handed over to the LEA? It would seem that if the LEA is

Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ Questions

2007-05-10 Thread Ryan Langseth
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 09:37 -0400, Dawn DiPietro wrote: > Marlon, > > I have been reading the WISPA CALEA FAQ and was a little concerned about > question #10. If the LEA does not know who the suspect is using an open > access point does this mean that everyone that has used that

[WISPA] CALEA FAQ Questions

2007-05-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Marlon, I have been reading the WISPA CALEA FAQ and was a little concerned about question #10. If the LEA does not know who the suspect is using an open access point does this mean that everyone that has used that access point will have their data handed over to the LEA? It would seem that if

[WISPA] calea notes

2007-05-08 Thread Matt Liotta
Is there a standard for the captured data and do you have to use it to be CALEA compliant? Individual carriers are free to choose any technical solution that meets the assistance capability requirements of CALEA, whether based on an industry standard or not. Carriers, therefore, have some deg

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-07 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
2846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 04

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-07 Thread Ross Cornett
quot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question There will likely be cases where that's impossible. Lets say that I have a customer that's a hotel. They, at first, only know the ip addy or ma

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-04 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
e.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 3:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question Marlon, I was under the impression the providers are only supposed to send the

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-04 Thread Dawn DiPietro
- Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question In my opinion, I don;t think it will fly because of "NAT". The law inforcement agrency needs to be

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-03 Thread W.D.McKinney
] Sent: Thu, 03 May 2007 20:00:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question > gas 3.20 per gallon here. $95.00 to fill my truck yesterday. > > Sheesh > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > > We have a line item of: > > "Surcharge to cover the cost of a sales tax bein

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-03 Thread George Rogato
ISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question I think you better just take a rate increase and chalk it up to increased expenses all the way around as opposed to creating a CALEA charge line item. Adding a fee as a line item could get you in tro

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
t gas prices is that crop prices are also way up. I'll take $3 fuel with $6 wheat any day :-) marlon - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Que

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Read the FAQ. In some cases they may have to sort through ALL data to get at what they want. marlon - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Questi

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
WISPA effort is approved. marlon - Original Message - From: "Ross Cornett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question I give up I just signed a contract to ensure my protection under CA

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-03 Thread Ross Cornett
Sounds good thanks Sriv. - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question I think you better just take a rate increase and chalk it up to incr

RE: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-03 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
#x27;t charge the fee for hosting or dialup plans. There is nothing wrong raising your prices to be competitive with the 'big boys!' :) Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:46 PM T

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-03 Thread John Scrivner
t are you thougths on this. - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question Peter R. wrote: Why not check with a knowledgeable legal professional

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question ... fees

2007-05-03 Thread Peter R.
Ross Cornett wrote: I give up I just signed a contract to ensure my protection under CALEA. My hope is tht those that become compliant do not get underminded by those that have hidden in the bushes and took the risk upon themselves by not becoming compliant. It appears that it is time to sta

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
AIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question The FCC wrote: we conclude that establishments that acquire broadband Internet access service from a facilities-based provider to enable their patrons or customers to a

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-03 Thread Ross Cornett
alone. What are you thougths on this. - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question Peter R. wrote: Why not check with a knowledgeable legal pr

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-03 Thread David E. Smith
Peter R. wrote: > Why not check with a knowledgeable legal professional instead of guessing? That'd be my boss's department. :D I'm just a pundit - full of opinions and hot air. > Now you can choose to ignore it, and say a prayer daily that Barney Fife > or any other LEA officer does not knock

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-03 Thread Peter R.
David E. Smith wrote: The FCC wrote: we conclude that establishments that acquire broadband Internet access service from a facilities-based provider to enable their patrons or customers to access the Internet from their respective establishments are not considered facilities-based broadband In

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-03 Thread Peter R.
Tim Kery wrote: Examples of these types of establishments may include some hotels, coffee shops, schools, libraries, or book stores. DOJ has stated that it "has no desire to require such retail establishments to implement CALEA solutions," DOJ Comments at 36, and we conclude that the public inte

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Exemption for Small Wireless ISPs

2007-05-02 Thread John Scrivner
Thank you Jack. I am glad to see someone doing something for their beliefs instead of kicking WISPA in the chins for not doing it for them. WISPA is here for all of you to interact and decide what and how you want to represent yourselves and your industry. Jack knows that means he can do someth

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-02 Thread David E. Smith
The FCC wrote: we conclude that establishments that acquire broadband Internet access service from a facilities-based provider to enable their patrons or customers to access the Internet from their respective establishments are not considered facilities-based broadband Internet access service pro

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Exemption for Small Wireless ISPs

2007-05-02 Thread Sam Tetherow
quot; Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Exemption for Small Wireless ISPs My opinion then, is that the FCC can get off their duffs and provide internet to the hinterlands themselves. There is more to CALEA than having a $500 unix box, and sharing a $7000 turnkey bo

[WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-02 Thread Tim Kery
ments to CALEA. So, Starbucks doesn't need to comply with CALEA but the service provider that provides bandwidth to Starbucks does. Hope this helps. Tim Kery BearHill Security, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [WISPA] CALEA Question David Peterson DPeterson at Wirelessguys

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Exemption for Small Wireless ISPs

2007-05-02 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
good for a mile or two. marlon - Original Message - From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Exemption for Small Wireless ISPs My opinion then, is that the FCC can

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance (Netequalizer)

2007-05-02 Thread John Thomas
7;t figure it out for themselves. Might as well be you! marlon - Original Message - From: "Todd Barber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance John, The part that

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Exemption for Small Wireless ISPs

2007-05-02 Thread Sam Tetherow
My opinion then, is that the FCC can get off their duffs and provide internet to the hinterlands themselves. There is more to CALEA than having a $500 unix box, and sharing a $7000 turnkey box is not an option unless you are sharing it within a tight geographical area since response times on e

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Exemption for Small Wireless ISPs

2007-05-02 Thread George Rogato
I believe the feds have secret deals with the telcos so they can do what ever they want besides calea. Just like I pointed out that fiber att wiretapping deal in the very first days of wispa calea discussion. This is where I see the imbalance, The little guys carry the weight and the big guys

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Exemption for Small Wireless ISPs

2007-05-02 Thread Jack Unger
Dear cw, Thank you for your opinion. I respectfully disagree. There's nothing wrong with admitting that small local providers can't afford to comply with the same requirements that big carriers like AT&T can comply with. That's the problem here; small local businesses are being asked to shell

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Exemption for Small Wireless ISPs

2007-05-02 Thread cw
My opinion is that you're not helping the big picture by saying compliance is more than you can handle. The FCC is not going to go out of their way to hand out more spectrum to providers that can't perform basic requirements. Just like they're not going to help providers that refuse to file 475

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-02 Thread George Rogato
om someone else. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "David Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] CALEA Question As I am finding

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-02 Thread Mike Hammett
Well, everybody gets their Internet from someone else. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "David Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:57

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-02 Thread Peter R.
As I understand it anyone who runs a router has to be CALEA compliant. Call the FCC ... these guys will answer your question and call you back: www.fcc.gov/calea Or ask a Legal Professional like Kris Twomey. Chris Savage or KC Halm from Davis Wright Tremaine LLP will take your questions about C

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-05-02 Thread Ross Cornett
it. lol Ross - Original Message - From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance Tim Kery wrote: Hi Ross, You also have to remember that Law Enforcem

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-05-02 Thread Sam Tetherow
Tim Kery wrote: Hi Ross, You also have to remember that Law Enforcement's primary focus is Law Enforcement and not developing technology. The FBI/DEA/DOJ said as much when in 2004 they petitioned the FCC to expand CALEA to broadband and VoIP. Essentially, they argued that it isn't possib

[WISPA] CALEA Exemption for Small Wireless ISPs

2007-05-02 Thread Jack Unger
Dear Representative Stupak, I'm writing to support your request on March 14, 2007 asking that the FCC Commissioners consider a waiver from CALEA regulations for small broadband providers. In a nutshell, the costs of complying with the CALEA provisions are far in excess of what small broadban

[WISPA] CALEA Question

2007-05-02 Thread David Peterson
As I am finding myself back into sales, I have a question concerning CALEA. I just read this blurb: The “facilities-based” terminology was meant to include providers offering connectivity infrastructure between end users and the Internet. However, establishments that acquire broadband Internet

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-05-01 Thread Tim Kery
rt of appeals upheld FCC's CALEA Broadband Order in American Council on Education vs. FCC. Hope this helps. Tim Kery BearHill Security, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 09:40:06 -0500 From: "Ross Cornett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALE

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-05-01 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
But more importantly... from this day forward, you will not be able to start, or deploy a wireless or any other kind of internet providing network that doesn't have ALL aspects of CALEA compatibility built in. That pretty much rules out the vast majority of present equipment and methods of deploym

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-05-01 Thread Peter R.
You need to filter out data that is not under the subpoena. And (as I understand it) the LEA should work with you to get the data. Ross Cornett wrote: If we can come up with a device to capture and send to an FTP server and allow for VPN connectivity then why can the most powerful law agency

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-05-01 Thread Matt Liotta
Ross Cornett wrote: I still would like to know the amount of incident that this CALEA will cause for all of its costs to our industry. Did anyone ask the FBI, why they cannot have several machines and deliver them as needed pre-configured then we can install them when they are needed. It is

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-05-01 Thread Mike Hammett
y, May 01, 2007 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance If we can come up with a device to capture and send to an FTP server and allow for VPN connectivity then why can the most powerful law agency in the world not do the same. This way they controll it all. We just provide the pip

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-05-01 Thread Ross Cornett
, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance Ross Cornett wrote: I still would like to know the amount of incident that this CALEA will cause for all of its costs to our industry. Did anyone ask the FBI, why they cannot have several machines and deliver them as needed pre-configured the

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-05-01 Thread Ross Cornett
a need that will largely be an expensive dust collector in most businesses. Anyone know if this has been posed to the FBI. - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:54 AM Subject: Re

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-05-01 Thread Matt Liotta
John Scrivner wrote: We look forward to proving that this thinking is wrong. What part of CALEA compliance is it that makes you think we cannot develop a low cost and reasonable solution which will not break the bank? Even if you do come up with a way to handle LI in time for the deadline t

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-05-01 Thread Butch Evans
coming. We (the wispa calea committee) are working on building the standard now. I have seen numerous posts indicating that small providers should not be concerned and that attaining CALEA compliance would not put them out of business. Those posts would be correct. I contacted them today

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-04-30 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance I went to email him, but his website says he will not respond to emails from outside his district.

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-04-30 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
won't work for us and we need to try to synthesize in two weeks. I have many hours of reading everything I can find, starting with the rules published by the FCC. Much of what is being said on this list by WISPA CALEA project people appears to conflict with what I read from the FCC its

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-04-30 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
hose ttp's have already gotten figured out. Someone's gonna make money off of those out there that can't/won't figure it out for themselves. Might as well be you! marlon - Original Message - From: "Todd Barber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "&#x

RE: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-04-30 Thread Todd Barber
EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance >I personally do not believe that any CALEA can be cost effective. Quite >simply, solving CALEA requires spending money without earning any >additional rev

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-04-30 Thread John Scrivner
I personally do not believe that any CALEA can be cost effective. Quite simply, solving CALEA requires spending money without earning any additional revenue. The only way to justify the CALEA expense is to accept it as a cost of doing business. This means simply that your market opportunity is l

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-04-30 Thread Jack Unger
I'd like to add my own brief CALEA comments and concerns. Out of respect for the "maximum of 5 posts per day" proposal, I'll keep it short. I'm thinking that extending CALEA to small WISPs without compensating them for their costs has more to do with "the big fish eating the little fish" than

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-04-30 Thread mliotta
> I have seen numerous posts on the WISPA list indicating that a cost > effective and compliant solution for this issue was being worked on and > would become available in the near future. > I think that is wishful thinking on some people's part. When you see companies like Cisco struggle to provid

[WISPA] CALEA Compliance

2007-04-30 Thread Todd Barber
I have been quietly watching and waiting as the CALEA compliance issue has been discussed and information pertaining to it has become available over the last few months. I have seen numerous posts on the WISPA list indicating that a cost effective and compliant solution for this issue was being

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Costs-Shifting Relief

2007-04-26 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Costs-Shifting Relief > On one of the documents that I've rad that maybe is not that public, &g

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Costs-Shifting Relief

2007-04-26 Thread George Rogato
On one of the documents that I've rad that maybe is not that public, they have taken into consideration that some isp's can not afford to impliment calea and they have a solution for that. Dawn DiPietro wrote: Peter, Thank you for posting this information. Since there is a $5000 applicatio

Re: [WISPA] CALEA Costs-Shifting Relief

2007-04-26 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
costs. - Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Costs-Shifting Relief > Peter, > > Thank you for posting this information

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