Re: [WISPA] Why not offer gigabit internet?

2018-02-19 Thread Mark Radabaugh
My company does offer it but the concerns I had are: What do you do with the customer who actually uses it continuously? Do you put caps on usage (and what does that do to your ability to sell it)? Will it hurt you pricing margin for business customers? How do you justify the price differen

Re: [WISPA] Why is GoPro sponsoring this irresponsable Crap?

2015-01-10 Thread Jay Weekley
gt; @aeronetpr > > > > From: Zach Mann mailto:zma...@gmail.com>> > Reply-To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 12:18 PM > To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why is G

Re: [WISPA] Why is GoPro sponsoring this irresponsable Crap?

2015-01-10 Thread Gino Villarini
ary 10, 2015 at 12:18 PM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why is GoPro sponsoring this irresponsable Crap? BASE jumping Gino :) On Saturday, January 10, 2015, Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote: GoPro: 9 Frontflips Off A Tower<http

Re: [WISPA] Why is GoPro sponsoring this irresponsable Crap?

2015-01-10 Thread Zach Mann
BASE jumping Gino :) On Saturday, January 10, 2015, Gino Villarini wrote: > GoPro: 9 Frontflips Off A Tower > > > > > Gino A. Villarini > President > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > www.aeronetpr.com > @aeronetpr > > > _

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Greg
re that I agree that wireless has higher uptime than fiber. > > > > > > > > >- > > >Mike Hammett > > >Intelligent Computing Solutions > > >http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >From: &

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread RickG
utions > >http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > >-------------- > >From: "Tom DeReggi" > >Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:40 AM > >To: "WISPA General List" > >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the t

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Mike Hammett
haul links. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Tom DeReggi" Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:48 AM To: ; "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Richey
neral List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us I'm not sure I agree either, but wireless obviously can't be cut. With that though, our fiber hasn't been out more than twice in 5 years. -- Original Message -

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Tom DeReggi
hoemaker" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us > Exactly. The terms "wireless" and "fiber" are too broad to make any > valid reliability comparison

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Tom DeReggi
Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Brian Webster" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us > Tom, > When you make the

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Brad Belton
nts: Location - Location - Location Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be t

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Exactly. The terms "wireless" and "fiber" are too broad to make any valid reliability comparison without more specifics. Comparing a licensed point to point microwave system with redundant paths, spatial diversity, standby power, and a tower structure rated to 150 MPH to an aerial fiber strand

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Bret Clark
Brian Webster wrote: > Fiber deployments have been commonplace between > telephone switches for years now and I have never heard about reliability > issues and/or downtime problems with the fiber. Not that they don't happen > but when you average their uptime to their outages, I would think they ha

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Bret Clark
--- From: "Tom DeReggi" Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:40 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us Agreed, Brett. I see people use business Cable all the time, UNTIL they have an outage,

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Chuck Hogg
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us I'm not sure I agree either, but wireless obviously ca

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Brian Webster
ispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us Agreed, Brett. I see people use business Cable all the time, UNTIL they have an outage,

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Stuart Pierce
eggi" >Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:40 AM >To: "WISPA General List" >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us > >> Agreed, Brett. >> >> I see people use business Cable all the time, UNTIL they have an outage, >

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Mike Hammett
it is true that some Business CAble services are less expensive than > a single antenna roof right fee. But I used that arguement to negotiate > lower roof right fees. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Origi

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-11 Thread Tom DeReggi
s. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bret Clark To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us Blah...I w

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
h. marlon - Original Message - From: "Jayson Baker" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us > So lie to them, and tell them you're standing there and the

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Josh Luthman
27;s just 1.5 hours away. > > The point of the whole story is crappy, ignorant support levels. > > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: [WI

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I have a key to the house. It's just 1.5 hours away. The point of the whole story is crappy, ignorant support levels. marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] W

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
reless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us When it's a DSL or cable connection I typically say I rebooted the modem and my PC is plugged into

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Josh Luthman
When it's a DSL or cable connection I typically say I rebooted the modem and my PC is plugged into it. On 1/10/10, Jayson Baker wrote: > So lie to them, and tell them you're standing there and the DSL light is > blinking. Or whatever they want to hear. > That person is probably a $10/hr individu

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Jayson Baker
So lie to them, and tell them you're standing there and the DSL light is blinking. Or whatever they want to hear. That person is probably a $10/hr individual paid to follow a flow chart, and doesn't know what to do if your answers don't fall in-line with that chart. I've done this many times. Eve

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Bret Clark
Blah...I wouldn't rely on any telco or cable company to serve our towers. We are completely wireless between towers, even our upstream Internet links are wireless running to local Internet exchange points. That way if there is a problem we are responsible for it and we can fix it without gettin

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Tom Sharples
I found out about so-called business DSL a few years ago. We had it here (Qwest), and every three to four weeks it would go belly-up. The "fix" was that, after a day or two of dead air, Qwest would send out a tech to power-cycle the ancient and creaky Nortel neighborhood dslam. This went on for

Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

2010-01-10 Thread Josh Luthman
I take it you never took our advice to have the guts in a NEMA box outside? If you did you can at least get it working yourself... On 1/10/10, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > I have a tower down. It's fed by a *business* grade DSL link. > > Can't get to the main router at that local. > > So I log on

Re: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone

2007-10-14 Thread Jeromie Reeves
e - > From: "Jonathan Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:54 AM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone > > > > > ...oh, I get up to 230Kbps In

Re: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone

2007-10-14 Thread Travis Johnson
onathan Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:54 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone ...oh, I get up to 230Kbps Internet on the laptop-to-phone-via-Bluetooth and if you ge

Re: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone

2007-10-14 Thread Jeromie Reeves
;'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:54 AM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone > > > > ...oh, I get up to 230Kbps Internet on the laptop-to-phone-via-Bluetooth > > and > > if you get just the Cingular/AT&a

Re: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone

2007-10-14 Thread Tom DeReggi
" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:54 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone ...oh, I get up to 230Kbps Internet on the laptop-to-phone-via-Bluetooth and if you get just the Cingu

RE: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone

2007-10-13 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
inal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:46 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone I'm sold on the Nokia E61i...a thinner (very thin) and muc

RE: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone

2007-10-13 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
October 12, 2007 4:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone I have one of these phones. I am pretty impressed with it so far. If you download the java based Opera you can even manage Tranzeo CPE/APs! (the iPhone crashe

RE: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone

2007-10-12 Thread D. Ryan Spott
: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone Another phone that does wifi is the cingular 8525. It is good for checking out hotspots, too. ~V~ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone

2007-10-12 Thread V Proffer
Another phone that does wifi is the cingular 8525. It is good for checking out hotspots, too. ~V~ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the

Re: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone

2007-10-11 Thread Mike Hammett
Nice. Again, another phone that does more than the iPhone. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1

Re: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone

2007-10-10 Thread Junk Mail
This is a much better reasoning as to why I do not desire an iPhone. http://blog.metasploit.com/2007/09/root-shell-in-my-pocket-and-maybe-yours.html On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 10:39 -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > FWIW, my E70 rules. It is by far the best phone I have ever used. > Take that,

Re: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone - Thread CLOSED!

2007-10-10 Thread Junk Mail
hehehehehehehehe roflol On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 12:00 -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > I apologize for sending this link. I thought it was funny, but it has > quite a bit of crude language and should have been thinking before I > forwarded it. > > Matt Larsen > vistabeam.com > > > > Ri

Re: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone - Thread CLOSED!

2007-10-10 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I apologize for sending this link. I thought it was funny, but it has quite a bit of crude language and should have been thinking before I forwarded it. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Rick Harnish wrote: Thread CLOSED! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT

RE: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone - Thread CLOSED!

2007-10-10 Thread Rick Harnish
Thread CLOSED! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone FWIW, my E70 rules. It i

Re: [WISPA] Why Customers leave

2007-03-31 Thread Clint Ricker
Interesting thought. Along those lines, try calling up past customers and asking them--you may not like the feedback, but, it should be useful. In any case, they'll likely have a better idea why they left than we will :) -Clint On 3/31/07, Peter R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tom and Jack,

Re: [WISPA] why join ... a rant

2007-03-31 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
on - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] why join ... a rant Peter R. wrote: I haven't joined yet either. Thr

Re: [WISPA] Why Customers leave

2007-03-31 Thread Peter R.
Tom and Jack, The 68% leaving from Indifference means that you aren't telling them how good you are. So when the new guy shows up, he has no idea of the record of reliability. One of the great things about selling Managed Router or Firewall or IDS service to businesses is that you can send the

Re: [WISPA] Why Customers leave

2007-03-30 Thread Jack Unger
Tom DeReggi wrote: Not an accurate list, it leaves off a big category. - Customer doesn't know who or what they are using, nor why. Therefore makes uninformed decisions. So lack of communication with client base I believe is one of the biggest reasons for custoemr churn. For example, custo

Re: [WISPA] Why Customers leave

2007-03-30 Thread Tom DeReggi
Not an accurate list, it leaves off a big category. - Customer doesn't know who or what they are using, nor why. Therefore makes uninformed decisions. So lack of communication with client base I believe is one of the biggest reasons for custoemr churn. For example, customer's staff change,

Re: [WISPA] Why Customers leave

2007-03-30 Thread George Rogato
Thats a good list Peter. My broadband churn is almost 100% people dying and moving. I think it's like 2:1 moving over dying, Thank god the housing market is in the toilet. Every week I open the newspaper and see which of my customers passed away. This week I lost 2. One a broadband sub and th

Re: [WISPA] why join ... a rant

2007-03-29 Thread John Scrivner
Peter R. wrote: I haven't joined yet either. Three reasons: (1) I would have to join as a vendor, since I am a consultant - and I can't as yet see the ROI. I can see that. If people here do not pay you enough to pay your dues then why would you join? i guess there could be an argument tho

Re: [WISPA] why join when you disagree?

2007-03-27 Thread Blair Davis
Peter R. wrote: So, Blair, none of what WISPA has done, you agree with? Did not say that. Then why are you still on the list? I monitor this public list, and others, to get an idea where things are going in the industry. Also, to lobby and fight takes effort, energy, time and money. And it

Re: [WISPA] why join ... a rant

2007-03-27 Thread Peter R.
I haven't joined yet either. Three reasons: (1) I would have to join as a vendor, since I am a consultant - and I can't as yet see the ROI. (2) I see the similarities here to another group that I belonged to ... and I don't want to go down that path again. (3) I have a real problem with joi

Re: [WISPA] Why the STA George?

2007-03-05 Thread Matt Liotta
Patrick Leary wrote: That's why operator-acquired STAs are usually worked cooperatively with vendors, i.e. the vendor is looking for the operator to perform specific real world tests for the purposes of product validation, refinement, etc. Sure... we just had to give the radios back afterwards

RE: [WISPA] Why the STA George?

2007-03-05 Thread Patrick Leary
" Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [

Re: [WISPA] Why the STA George?

2007-03-05 Thread Matt Liotta
George Rogato wrote: Lets hope this time, the manufacturer acts responsibly and doesn't just sell them to just anyone with a cc. I didn't think a radio vendor was allowed to sell a product for use with an experimental license. I thought the radio vendor could only let you use the radio for the

Re: [WISPA] Why the STA George?

2007-03-05 Thread George Rogato
Patrick Leary wrote: "... Now they know better." Alas, we can, and I always do, hope that people learn. That is the whole point of these lists. To educate and help wisps understand better. What good is a dormant list? Some may think that a lot of these posts are just talk and hopefully ma

RE: [WISPA] Why the STA George?

2007-03-05 Thread Patrick Leary
Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the STA George? It's actually a very good thread. Just think of those who heard some one else last year say they were using their for backhaul... Now they know better. These new ca

Re: [WISPA] Why the STA George?

2007-03-05 Thread George Rogato
It's actually a very good thread. Just think of those who heard some one else last year say they were using their for backhaul... Now they know better. These new cards, which have actually been talked about for quite some time, will help some of the guys (the RF Gearheads) to do more experi

RE: [WISPA] Why the STA George?

2007-03-05 Thread Patrick Leary
ets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the STA George? First, lets

Re: [WISPA] Why the STA George?

2007-03-05 Thread George Rogato
First, lets clear things up. I already know that we are not supposed to use it as part of our network, regardless of what others might think. We have already heard someone else say other wise on a different list as part of a different organization. So, for me, it's to experiment with and to

RE: [WISPA] Why the STA George?

2007-03-05 Thread Patrick Leary
George, why do you have an STA application pending? What are your plans for the gear? What is the experiment you will be performing? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WHY? Hi,You have to connect to the internet backbone somewhere (even if in multiple locations, etc.). You would simply need a $500 PC at each connection. Pretty simple.Trav

Re: [WISPA] WHY? ----- ooops!!!!

2006-08-24 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
om: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WHY? - ooops Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I do not want the legal liability of being responsible for having such logs, keeping such

RE: [WISPA] WHY? ----- ooops!!!!

2006-08-24 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
f Sam Tetherow Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WHY? - ooops Mark Koskenmaki wrote: > > > I do not want the legal liability of being responsible for having such logs, > keeping such logs, and having to prove such logs are ab

Re: [WISPA] WHY? ----- ooops!!!!

2006-08-24 Thread Sam Tetherow
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I do not want the legal liability of being responsible for having such logs, keeping such logs, and having to prove such logs are absolutely accurate. That's just that part. Amen to that brother! Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-24 Thread Scott Reed
ssage --- From: Blair Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: WISPA General List Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:27:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WHY? > IMHO, this is real simple.. > > If you give me an IP, in near real-time or for a few months after, I can > give you

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-24 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Title: Re: [WISPA] WHY? Right, start trying to charge BB for that! Next, they will require you to ‘buy’ an ISP license to operate to ‘pay you’ your co-lo fees. :-) On 8/24/06 3:23 PM, "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't know that I can even do that much, b

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-24 Thread Travis Johnson
atching. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Blair Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: WISPA General List Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:27:53 -0400 Subje

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-24 Thread Blair Davis
IMHO, this is real simple.. If you give me an IP, in near real-time or for a few months after, I can give you a user name and address, unless it was a free, public access use at one of our hotspots, in which case you are SOL. If it is 6 months ago or longer, if the user is still a custome

Re: [WISPA] WHY? ----- ooops!!!!

2006-08-24 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WHY? - ooops > I still think we need to keep this discussion going for a bit. I have a > que

Re: [WISPA] WHY? ----- ooops!!!!

2006-08-24 Thread George Rogato
I've always told my customers that whatever they do on the net is not annonamous. And that they should assume someone is watching and is listening. I've kinda described privacy on the net is like being blindfolded at the local football stadium and thinking nobody is there, but then to find ou

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-24 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
ROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WHY? > Hi, > > You have to connect to the internet backbone somewhere (even if in multiple locations, etc.). You would simply need a $500 PC at each connection. Pretty simple. > &g

Re: [WISPA] WHY? ----- ooops!!!!

2006-08-24 Thread John Scrivner
L PROTECTED]> *To:* WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:25 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WHY? Hi, You have to connect to the internet backbone somewhere (even if in multiple locations, etc.). You would simply n

Re: [WISPA] WHY? ----- ooops!!!!

2006-08-24 Thread Tim Kerns
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WHY? Hi,You have to connect to the internet backbone somewhere (even if in multiple locations, etc.). You would simply need a $500 PC at each connection. Pretty simple.TravisMicroservMark Koskenmaki wrote: Travis, my network ha

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-24 Thread Travis Johnson
quot; can be done. Nor have I any location to keep such data secure. - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WHY? Hi, Although I

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-23 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
again, traffic from the customers will not pass through any place where "logging" can be done. Nor have I any location to keep such data secure. - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wedn

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-23 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
It's not about tracking what IP belongs to what customer. It's about logging ALL connections, possibly even content. - Original Message - From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:18 PM

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-23 Thread Ron Wallace
-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]>-Original Message->From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 07:02 PM>To: 'WISPA General List'>Subject: Re: [WISPA] WHY?>>Sam Tetherow wrote:>>> Given what the article cites

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-23 Thread Carl A Jeptha
wrong, every person has the right to be assumed innocent until proven guilty. To all, As a police officer, i need a wiretap on a phone line, because i believe the person using that ph. line is doing something illegal. When i get that permission from the judicial authority i may start tracking w

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-23 Thread David E. Smith
John Scrivner wrote: > I think most people here track who has what address. Otherwise how could > you possibly run your network? What they likely do not do is keep logs > of who had what address three years ago. Y'know, boss, I could add that to our in-house IP tracking system if you like. :) Si

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-23 Thread Sam Tetherow
John Scrivner wrote: Sam Tetherow wrote: Given what the article cites I don't see it being a severe burden on a small ISP. All that I see mentioned in the article is the ability to track what IP belongs to what customer over a period of time. If you can't track that on your network, how do

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-23 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
nd I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-23 Thread John Scrivner
Sam Tetherow wrote: Given what the article cites I don't see it being a severe burden on a small ISP. All that I see mentioned in the article is the ability to track what IP belongs to what customer over a period of time. If you can't track that on your network, how do you manage to trouble

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-23 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Although I am totally against this, we are already doing this (and keeping a year's worth of history). Keep in mind we move about 110Mbps of traffic average. We setup a linux box (p4/2.8ghz with 1GB of RAM and a 200GB drive) about a year ago and installed IpAudit. This single box is able t

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-23 Thread Sam Tetherow
Given what the article cites I don't see it being a severe burden on a small ISP. All that I see mentioned in the article is the ability to track what IP belongs to what customer over a period of time. If you can't track that on your network, how do you manage to troubleshoot problems or dea

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-23 Thread George Rogato
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Why? Because it will severely burden smaller ISP's that lack the network infrastructure to do this. Is WISPA lobbying against this? It will be nearly impossible for most of us in the wireless business to do this, without major restructuring, or a huge expense that we c

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-23 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Why? Because it will severely burden smaller ISP's that lack the network infrastructure to do this. Is WISPA lobbying against this? It will be nearly impossible for most of us in the wireless business to do this, without major restructuring, or a huge expense that we can't afford. - Or

Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-23 Thread Jack Unger
Glad you asked... Qwest knows that Big Brother (BB) loves you and only wants to protect you. BB needs all your web surfing data, your email data, and your VoIP phone calling data. Having this data will help BB to identify "enemies of the state" and to stamp out "thoughtcrime". http://www.

RE: [WISPA] Why ILEC regulation is different from Cable and WISP regulation... WAS: Re: FCC & DSL - WBIA ACTIONRecommendation

2005-08-06 Thread Charles Wu
Hi Tony, I was in the process of putting together a thoughtful rebuttal, but now this has become a moot point giving the latest FCC ruling... -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EM