On 26/08/11 5:15 PM, Jay Tanna wrote:
Personally I don't go out of my way to do anything special. I design the site
as it comes and if some people can't access it - tough luck. There is no point
in spending any additional time or money in buying specialist tools for people
who are
Hi everyone
Yes, a shameless plug, but, if you're interested in attending Webstock:
http://www.webstock.org.nz/
and I do hope you may be, early-bird pricing ends this Friday.
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On 17/09/10 4:36 PM, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote:
Hi all,
I am trying to find someone who can hold a one-day advanced Javascript course
but have no luck.
Thomas Fuchs and Amy Hoy do an online advanced Javascript class:
http://javascriptmasterclass.com/
I can recommend then as really great
David McKinnon wrote:
Hi,
Can anyone recommend a good JavaScript course in Sydney?
I've been teaching myself for a few years, so I have a reasonable idea
how to write unobtrusive JavaScript and have mucked around with jQuery,
but feel I need something practical to really consolidate my
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www.webstock.org.nz
In Wellington, New Zealand from 16-20 February. Speakers include:
Russ Weakley (top of the list since this is his mailing list :)
Bruce Sterling
Ze Frank
Jane McGonigal
Adrian Holovaty
Heather
kevin mcmonagle wrote:
joseph i keep my brightness at 0, and thought it matched.
thanks for the tip
Joseph Taylor wrote:
Kevin,
If I may make a recommendation, adjust the background color of your
cells to match the bottom color of your background gradients so when
text gets enlarged it
Rachel May wrote:
I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are
any better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while
still retaining their high quality??
http://www.ignite-it.co.uk/
Best. Graphics. Optimiser. PlugIn.
That I've found anyway :)
http://webstock.org.nz/past/recordings.php
Enjoy!
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Lea de Groot wrote:
Joel Spolsky has published an ... interesting article
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html
I think it's a great article. And one the nails why this has created so
much heat. Among many killer quotes, this to end things:
You see? No right answer.
As usual,
Mark Harris wrote:
1 crap designer can turn out many, many crap sites. The damage done by
Sieglal's Designing Killer Websites (1st edition - he recanted later)
was huge. Back when I was starting, I bought it and used it as a bible
of what not to do, but many used it as a how-to guide, and
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2007/12/17 15:30 (GMT) Paul McCann apparently typed:
Heads up, the BBC has a new site in Beta.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/beta
Thoughts/praise/comments :)
snip usual font stuff /snip
Overall, better, but, worse than good.
Oh come on, let's not be so blinkered
Just a quick plug that early-bird registration for Webstock
www.webstock.org.nz has been extended for a week and now closes on
Friday 1 December.
If you're thinking of attending, now is a good chance to register! We'd
love to see you here and will make you especially welcome if you're from
Rick Lecoat wrote:
Hi there;
I'm currently laying down the markup for a site and have been pondering
whether to put page content above navigation in the source. I often read
that this is a good idea, and that makes perfect sense to me as long as
there are skip links so that people can reach the
Chris Wilson wrote:
A private company should be able to do whatever the hell they like. Suit
is without merit and frivolous. What's next, suing vehicle manufacturers
for not providing a braille manual? I'm all for accesability, but there
is no reason it should be mandated, and lack of is in
If you are going to argue for standards and accesability, follow your
own advice first. Captain table layout over here. You don't even have
alt tags on your images. Hypocritical aren't ya?
Taking bets as to how long before Goodwin's law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law kicks in. I
So, I want to position a background-image. It's a single px image. I
want it to start on the left-hand-side of its containing div, and 120px
from the top. I want it to repeat downwards.
I use (showing in longhand):
background-color: #fff;
background-image: url(/images/content-bg.gif);
E Michael Brandt wrote:
This is not possible with current browser support of css. repeat-y
means repeat upwards and downwards, not just downwards as you would like
(and who wouldn't like that?). There may be a way in your page layout
to use two wrappers, placing the bg in the lower one on
Russ
I just want to say, on behalf of all 5,000 members I'm sure, thanks to you
and Peter for the list.
It's been your vision and dedication that's kept it going and nourished,
and what you've both done has been influential in ways I'm sure you don't
realise.
Well done! :)
Mike
Webstock 08 www.webstock.org.nz - Wellington, New Zealand 11-15
February - has just launched.
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FullCodePress www.fullcodepress.com - the geek Olympics!
This weekend (18/19 August) the New Zealand web team, the Code Blacks
http://www.fullcodepress.com/2007/07/16/nz-team-bios/ will take on the
Australian team
http://www.fullcodepress.com/2007/07/12/aussie-team-bios/ in a 24hr
challenge to
What markup do you favor for a headline-tagline pair? (The second
element could be a tagline or a byline.)
h1Thundering Pigs/h1
citea blog by Bob/cite
h1Thundering Pigs/h1
p class=taglinea blog by Bob/p
h1Thundering Pigs/h1
div
Bob Schwartz wrote:
Do database driven, dynamically created asp pages pass muster for
accessibility?
What makes a site accessible? Being on this list, you surely have some
idea of the answer. But to help, some of the key things are:
- it has semantic, well-structured HTML
- in particular
Bob Schwartz wrote:
Yes, I have an idea, but never having seen any of the devices people
talk about here, I often have doubts about what I think I have understood.
Go here:
http://www.webstock.org.nz/recordings.php
and listen to / look at Darren Fittler's presentation. He's blind and
uses a
I think best would be people reply to Sarah off-list, because:
- we don't want to get into a debate as to which usability consultants
are good or not, or even what makes a good usability consultant
- those of us outside of Canberra have very limited interest in the subject
:)
Mike
who,
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:
Sydney-based Usability company PTG has made the claim that they can certify
the usability of their websites:
http://www.usabilitynews.com/news/article3005.asp
In an article on the AIMIA website, Craig Errey, manager of PTG, says we're
apparently the
Herrod, Lisa wrote:
This is really interesting article in that it contradicts findings of a
recent study we completed just 2 weeks ago.
We recently conducted user testing on a site with 22 participants, which is
a significant sample (often we test with 8 to 12).
The demographic was 18 skilled
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
russ - maxdesign wrote:
Could it not be argued that the unimportant legal content is
sometimes more important to some users than the general content on the
page? :)
I'm sure there are some that think such notices should be shown in large
bold letters, read and agreed to
Al Sparber wrote:
I do agree that English is a crazy language - but that's as far as I go
:-) The gent from Harvard provide the link to the W3C's definition of
should, which seems to jive with mine. As for a standards-based page,
agreeing that it is not a hard and fast rule that tables be
Cade Whitbourn wrote:
Anybody know of any good training courses or events that are being held
in Sydney (or the other capital cities) next year on web standards/best
practice web design/usability etc (other than WE06 and the regular wsg
meetings?)
Webstock http://www.webstock.org.nz/
Hey,
Hi
I'm trying to recreate this visual look:
http://testing.signify.co.nz/test.gif
So, I'm thinking it's a form with two data tables inside the form. I've
marked it up as such here:
http://testing.signify.co.nz/test.html
My limited understanding of screenreaders is that they have a mode for
Just a reminder that this will be on Thursday 17th November. More
details here:
http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/event50.cfm
Free Webstock http://www.webstock.org.nz poster for everyone attending :)
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Mark Harris wrote:
At a WSG meeting in Wellington, earlier in the year (see
http://www.gooduse.co.nz/thegoodnessarchives/000113.html), Jonathon
Mosen did a live demo of JAWS to an audience of web developers. Watching
the light bulbs go on as it read out an interminable database URL from
an
Leslie Riggs wrote:
We are hoping to have this available online as a Quicktime file soon.
When it is, it's definitely worth showing to people. Jonathan is a
wonderful speaker and funny speaker, and I guarantee that no one will
see his presentation and go away feeling the same about
Samuel Richardson wrote:
When I explain to clients why standards are important I bring up the
following list:
http://www.geminidevelopment.com.au/html/article_whycomplient.php
And explain it to them point by point.
Of course if I was a client, I'd immediately question the compliance of
the
John Lewis wrote:
Hi Mike,
I was interested to see that you are using the back-slash hack when
importing your stylesheets, commented as: Excluding old versions of IE
etc.
I guess what I'm most interested in is how that decision was made? Is it
part of your company's approach/philosophy or was
Andy Kirkwood|Motive wrote:
My interest in Mike's post is in the client-developer relationship. What swayed
the client toward excluding Mac IE from stylesheet support could be beneficial
when considering the merits of such an approach with other standards-aware
clients. Perhaps the RNZ
http://www.radionz.co.nz
As a disclaimer, I had some involvement with the HTML/CSS templates, but
even so, I think it's a good example of a site that's nice visually and
reasonably standards-compliant.
Mike
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This really is a rhetorical question born of frustration, but why is the
styling of legends and fieldsets so bad across browsers?
Why can't you, visually, place the legend wherever you want? Even just
being able to place it above the fieldset without overlaps and having
the legend sit halfway
Richard Czeiger wrote:
I think the bigger question is can someone proivde an example of when
best to use the br / tag in general?
What type of content semantically requires a line break.
- Original Message - From: Hope Stewart
I'm unsure whether I should in fact avoid using br:
Hey
I don't think there is, but is there any sort of consensus of the use of
zoom layouts?
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/lowvision/
http://www.joeclark.org/atmedia/atmedia-NOTES-2.html
http://www.stopdesign.com/log/2005/06/24/zoom-layout.html
In particular:
1) How do you signal that
Patrick H. Lauke said:
I actually had a bit of a discussion with Joe Clark on this issue
during his London workshop last month. I'd argue that users of things
like screen magnifiers, who are the target audience for zoom layouts,
don't need excessively larger fonts and that the reversing of
Julián Landerreche said:
I have been reading few articles (like
http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/verdana.html) about avoiding
Verdana font.
But I cant get the whole point in this issue.
So, please, can someone point me what am I missing about avoiding
Verdana?
Honestly, I pretty
Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox wrote:
The content has stopped jumping, haven't changed anything in the structure.
Has anyone seen anything like this before?
Yup. I've found that the content gets really tired from jumping after a
while and stops. Usually it takes a few hours solid jumping for it
Kenny Graham wrote:
Exactly. I was actually thinking the other day, browsers
should be more like compilers... they should refuse to
parse incorrect code. Then the enforcement would be
on the output end, too.
It would be nice, but would only work if -every- browser did it.
Otherwise
Lea de Groot said:
Honestly, it doesn't seem to matter how big the screen is. Jo(e) Public
surfs at 100%.
I don't like it, but its true.
For the number of years I've been building sites (over 6 years full time)
I'm struggling to remember ever seeing a client or user (as opposed to a
Hi
what's the correct markup for when you want to provide help, or an
example, of what should be filled in for a particular form field?
For example:
Visually I want something like this
Known as[ input text field ] Name you prefer to be know as ...
I've thought to markup as follows:
David Pietersen wrote:
Mordechai is totally right in that it is hue that makes it difficult,
but it is only within the specific context of combining the two (either
Red/Green or Blue/Green).
I had a series of progressively more advanced CB tests when I went to
join the Army, and ended up
in
the air after the Wellington rugby side beat the visiting Lions tonight :)
Hope you can make it if you're in Wellington!
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Mike Brown
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sorry about that. I managed to get it working and took it down. The
problem was I hadn't added a background colour for the ul and that was
affecting the dropdown in IE. Imagine! :)
Mike
Jason Foss said:
Can you repost that link for me Mike? It's not working atm...
On 6/7/05, Mike Brown
http://mlol.signify.co.nz/templates/searchtest.html
In IE6 I can't fully fully mouseover the dropdown menu items before they
disappear. It works in IE5 and Mozilla. The HTML and CSS validate.
And the problem isn't consistent - sometimes I can mouseover most of the
dropdown menu, other times
if anyone is interested, I did a presentation on web standards last week
and have put it online:
http://govis.signify.co.nz
I hate to do the best viewed in thing :), but it's best viewed in
Mozilla/Firefox in fullscreen mode. It uses Eric Meyer's S5 presentation
thingie.
If you print out,
Jan Brasna wrote:
Mike, this is awesome, I love the notes! ;)
Who was the target audience, please?
Thanks!
The audience was managers of websites, people who commission websites.
Especially in the government sector. It wasn't designed as a hands-on
presentation, but more as an introduction
jackie reid wrote:
Hello everyone...
I am in a quandry... ie displays my navigation with whopping great big
spaces in between the list items.
Why is this so... and how can i make them go away? Been trying to get it
sorted for a couple of hours now and am getting frustrated to the max.
Please
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:
This is the second time I am coming across the IE three pixel bug, but this
time it really got me:
http://www.addictivemedia.com.au/clients/gta/home.html
Andreas
not sure if this will fix it, but try ending the hack with a comment
eg
style
/*
Matthew Cruickshank wrote:
David Nicol wrote:
I would be very grateful if someone could direct me to an existing
resource or article addressing the subject of how a validly-coded web
site can fail to be truly accessible. i.e. why valid code is not, in
itself, enough to guarantee accessibility.
Ok, so this is driving me crazy!
http://cpanz.signify.co.nz/test/national-pod-template.html
I have an unordered list being used for navigation. The bottom item on
the list needs to have a rounded corner. I figure:
- make the last li position: relative
- add a span inside the last li the exact
Sigurd Magnusson wrote:
Well if you put a border on the span you see that the image is in the
wrong place within the span;
Doing background-position: bottom right; within the ul#subnav li.last
span { certainly gets you most the way there; had you done that?
No! I hadn't thought it necessay
Bert Doorn wrote:
However, I get many prospects who want to update sites themselves. In
many cases, these are very small businesses with just one or two people,
none of which have any idea about (x)HTML. Most of them have very small
budgets, so they can't afford a complete CMS type setup (and
Kay Smoljak wrote:
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:57:46 -, designer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can appreciate that I am getting a 'quality' product, but from a
practical point of view, what am I getting that improves my business? As
far as visitors to my site are concerned there seems to be no
the same problem before
and it was caused by not giving a floated element a width. It seemed
that IE5 Mac froze on that. If you have any floated elements, check to
see they have widths.
HTH
Regards
Mike Brown
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and a more
general audience - eg managers, business analysts, visual designers etc.
In particular, I think the chance to observe Jonathan using assistive
technology to access the web will be eye-opening for those of us who
take vision for granted.
Have a great Christmas/holidays everyone!
Regards
Mike
the same lines has already been compiled here:
http://www.webaim.org/coordination/law/
Might be a good starting point in and of itself, and also to avoid
duplication.
Regards
Mike Brown
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SEMANTIC MARKUP FOR PUBLICATION TITLES
In print the name of a publication is typically type-set in an oblique
or italic font. A similar *visual* effect can be achieved either
through the use of:
- an italic font-tag iPublication/i (probably deprecated)
- an emphasis tag emPublication/em
-
Natalie Buxton said:
Cite isn't really appropriate is it?
CITE:
Contains a citation or a reference to other sources
So you are not referencing a source, just mentioning a publication.
well, I think it *is* a reference to [an]other source. Although I think
the specs could be clearer!
year.
Thanks to everyone who showed up, and to Terry Wood for his help and
presentation! I'm looking forward to a lot of good things coming from this.
Oh, and of course thanks to Russ and Peter and others here for the help
and impetus to set things up in Wellington.
Regards
Mike Brown
it as a standard for text emails?
Regards
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personal preference as to what is semantically best. That's what's called a slippery slope argument - just because you can find some examples where things aren't clear-cut, doesn't mean every case isn't clear cut. Again, sometimes a list is a list and a list is the right thing.
Regards
Mike Brown
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Any ideas why?
The css used is here:
http://dev5.signify.co.nz/templates/css/appform.css
Thanks.
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Nick Lo wrote:
Thanks for your response, unfortunately that wasn't my question though
I realise at a glance it's how my question read. It was specifically
referring to this type of instance...
p
label class=blank for=input_phone_1
select name=input_phone_1_type id=input_phone_1_type
this :)
A floated element on the page, a span, didn't have a width declared,
and needed one for IE5 Mac. That was causing the hanging. It is a
known problem, but one I'd forgotten about.
Thanks to Philippe Wittenbergh for the solution!
Mike Brown
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.
I'm stuck, and also only use Macs for browser testing so don't have a
lot of experience with them.
Any ideas?
Regards
Mike Brown
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display fine in IE5 Mac:
http://morst.signify.co.nz/templates/ig4-template.asp
http://morst.signify.co.nz/templates/ig2-template.asp
It's just this one page for some reason!
thanks though
Mike Brown
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they will be incorporated
into designs in, of course, the most tasteful way :)
Bottom line, if you can add it to the design, it's a good thing to do.
Regards
Mike Brown
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No, Kiwis are not Australians - Love it or Shove it
and as for Australians .. hmmm ... - all talk, no walk springs to
mind :)
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I can't even say something like, don't undercharge you work - value
it and charge appropriately, because there will be times where you
undercharge because you desparately need the work. :)
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Mike Brown
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?
:: do elements on the page have to be exactly the pixels apart shown
in the design, or do you have some flexibility there?
:: is it clear from the design what elements are heading elements -
h1, h2, etc?
HTH
Regards
Mike Brown
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to be on
another duplicating what they do. But I do want to be on a list
discussing web standards.
Regards
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Mark I realise that there are other CSS QA lists out there, but this list is
Mark different in the sense that it is really the extension of a group and the
Mark group's meetings. I would say that at the moment the membership of the list
Mark these days far exceeds the attendance of our meetings,
!
Is this approach (multiple stylesheets) something others use on larger
sites with a lot of styling?
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