RE: [WSG] Text-only version

2008-11-20 Thread Steve Green
November 2008 21:07 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Text-only version On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can do a lot of what Betsie does using CSS but the one thing you can't do is replace the images with their 'alt' attributes. Does

RE: [WSG] Text-only version

2008-11-20 Thread Steve Green
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Dorward Sent: 20 November 2008 21:06 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Text-only version Steve Green wrote: You can do a lot of what Betsie does using CSS but the one thing you can't do is replace the images

RE: [WSG] Text-only version

2008-11-20 Thread Steve Green
November 2008 21:33 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Text-only version On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can do a lot of what Betsie does using CSS but the one thing you can't do is replace the images with their 'alt' attributes. Does

[WSG] jQuery problems

2008-11-28 Thread Steve Green
I would be grateful if any JavaScript (specifically jQuery) experts could contact me off-list as I have a client who needs some remedial work done (for which they will pay). Also are there any more suitable places I could post this request? Steve

RE: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-28 Thread Steve Green
Stuart's point is that blinking content violates checkpoint 7.2 of the W3C Web Content Accessibility Guidelines: Until user agents allow users to control blinking, avoid causing content to blink (i.e., change presentation at a regular rate, such as turning on and off) Steve -Original

RE: [WSG] jquery ui.slider keyboard navigation question

2008-12-12 Thread Steve Green
It is understood that some tasks will require two keys, such as Alt + down arrow to open a combobox. I presume you are testing on a Mac because I see slightly different behaviour than you describe in Windows browsers. In both Internet Explorer 6 and Firefox 2.0 the arrow keys alone are sufficient

RE: [WSG] credibility of accessibility validator and evaluator

2008-12-31 Thread Steve Green
Accessibility validators should make it very clear where a checkpoint is required by a standard (in which case they should provide a reference so you can check the precise wording) and where it is 'best practice' (according to who?). In this case the 'failure' is not a non-compliance with any

RE: [WSG] embedding quicktime .mov cross-platform

2009-01-15 Thread Steve Green
I don't allow QuickTime to be installed on any of our machines either. Is there a reason why you can't use a file format that has a larger installed user base? Most non-Mac users won't have QuickTime. Steve -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org

RE: [WSG] a WCAG 2.0 question

2009-03-12 Thread Steve Green
It's not just screen readers that have problems with new windows. Every user group we have tested with has had problems. Screen reader users sometimes do not notice that the screen reader has announced the opening of a new window. Screen magnifier users frequently cannot tell that a new window

RE: [WSG] add to favorites?

2009-03-25 Thread Steve Green
It's not just replicating browser functionality - it's a call to action. As such I think it's perfectly reasonable. Steve -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Lauke Sent: 25 March 2009 13:36 To:

RE: [WSG] add to favorites?

2009-03-25 Thread Steve Green
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Maben Sent: 25 March 2009 15:18 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] add to favorites? On Mar 25, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Steve Green wrote: It's not just replicating browser functionality

RE: [WSG] add to favorites?

2009-03-25 Thread Steve Green
-Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: 25 March 2009 16:19 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] add to favorites? This list is aware of many marketing practices that are against Web

RE: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-14 Thread Steve Green
-Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]on Behalf Of Christopher Kennon Sent: 15 April 2009 01:40 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty Hi All, The text indent CSS property can render an h#

RE: [WSG] The weirdest IE bug I've ever encountered.

2009-06-03 Thread Steve Green
Actually he won't see a bug free site at all. Correcting the doctype and other issues makes no difference. The bug does not occur in Internet Explorer 6. Something like this has been reported previously but the only references I can find are not directly applicable to this situation.

RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms

2009-08-19 Thread Steve Green
JAWS behaves this way. Steve Green Director Test Partners Ltd *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***

RE: [WSG] accessibility: government

2009-08-26 Thread Steve Green
It's not that simple. We are working with some UK Government departments that still use WCAG 1.0 and will continue to do so until well into 2010. Other departments have already adopted WCAG 2.0. To answer the question, I do not believe such a list exists, and it would require continuous

RE: [WSG] dl as paragraph?

2009-10-12 Thread Steve Green
Hi everyone. I was just looking at a page on the National Library of Australia web site (http://www.nla.gov.au/services/issnabout.html) and noticed the font rendering was strange in my browser (Firefox 3.5.3). When I looked at the markup to try and understand why, I found that the site seem to be

RE: [WSG] Accessible Image Map Editors

2009-10-25 Thread Steve Green
It may seem strange, but image maps are more accessible to screen reader users than to almost any other user group. They are a significant barrier to some user groups even when correctly coded, so you should provide the information in an alternative, accessible manner. For your class exercise you

RE: [WSG] skip links

2009-10-28 Thread Steve Green
I always point people to http://blackwidows.co.uk/. The links are accessible to screen readers and are displayed when they have focus so they are accessible to sighted users who use keyboard navigation. _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of

RE: [WSG] skip links

2009-10-28 Thread Steve Green
...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 12:52 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] skip links I always point people to http://blackwidows.co.uk/. The links are accessible to screen readers and are displayed when they have

RE: [WSG] skip links

2009-10-28 Thread Steve Green
regards Mark _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 11:01 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] skip links A 1-pixel image works for screen reader users but it is no use

RE: [WSG] Complex data tables, accessibility and XHTML Basic 1.1

2009-11-01 Thread Steve Green
-Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Kat Sent: 02 November 2009 01:35 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Complex data tables, accessibility and XHTML Basic 1.1 Steve Green wrote: I am tempted to say

RE: [WSG] google chrome frame

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Green
of the world cannot afford to upgrade as fast as we can. Steve Green *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh

RE: [WSG] Image Maps

2010-10-14 Thread Steve Green
than loading a new page. We keep telling them to implement the feature differently but they persist despite all the accessibility problems it causes. Steve Green Test Partners Ltd *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org

RE: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

2010-10-22 Thread Steve Green
mentioned above) tend not to be cooperative. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh

RE: [WSG] Where are we with Frames?

2010-10-26 Thread Steve Green
fixed font sizes, which just introduces a different problem. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: 26 October 2010 03:00 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG

RE: [WSG] Google 'X-ray' banner

2010-11-08 Thread Steve Green
It's just an animated GIF. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Grant Bailey Sent: 08 November 2010 12:14 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Google 'X-ray' banner Hello, Does anyone know how Google did their

RE: [WSG] HTML5 - Marking up forms

2010-11-10 Thread Steve Green
I'm with Patrick on this one. The form, fieldset and label elements provide all the semantic structure you need. Anything else is noise. Steve Green Test Partners Ltd -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Eric Taylor

RE: [WSG] Accessible modal windows / lightboxes

2011-01-20 Thread Steve Green
time the focus is not correctly controlled is when the 'Recommend to a friend' or 'Email results' forms are submitted. In these cases the focus returns to the top of the page. The developers tell us it's because they can't control the focus after an HTTP request. Steve Green Director Test Partners

RE: [WSG] Accessible modal windows / lightboxes

2011-01-21 Thread Steve Green
AM, Steve Green wrote: Yes, here's one we worked on - http://htmltools.moneymadeclear.org.uk/mortgage-calculator/index.aspx Have you tested it on Firefox? It doesn't seem to allow keyboard support for the modal window. Also, a usability glitch IMHO, the close button should

RE: [WSG] Accessible modal windows / lightboxes

2011-01-22 Thread Steve Green
I just tested it in exactly the same operating system and browser, and it works fine. The fact that you are seeing the 'Skip to content' link suggests that the focus is going to the top of the page, not into the lightbox. That happens if JavaScript is turned off, and I can't think of any other

RE: [WSG] Accessible modal windows / lightboxes

2011-01-22 Thread Steve Green
That would do no harm, but I don't think it would be much benefit either. This site is about a year old, and we took the view that ARIA was not sufficiently well supported to be worth using. More importantly, users typically have no idea what it is when they encounter it, so it will be years

RE: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x

2011-01-24 Thread Steve Green
So called 'semantic classnames' are not semantic at all except in the case of microformats. The whole point of semantic markup is that the author and user agree on the terminology and the meaning, and that is not the case with semantic classnames no matter how obvious they may seem to you.

RE: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x

2011-01-25 Thread Steve Green
You can use it, but will anyone benefit from it? Assistive technologies don't support much, if any, of the new semantics. I don't know if search engines and other users of programmatic access to websites are currently able to make use of HTML5 markup, but I have not seen anything to indicate

RE: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x

2011-01-25 Thread Steve Green
On 25 Jan 2011, at 08:34, Steve Green wrote: You can use it, but will anyone benefit from it? Assistive technologies don't support much, if any, of the new semantics. I don't know if search engines and other users of programmatic access to websites are currently able to make use of HTML5 markup, but I

RE: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x

2011-01-26 Thread Steve Green
, and placing text within the canvas. At one time there was a conflict when combining ARIA landmarks with the new elements. But this is no longer a problem as the screen reader software was fixed. Ted On 1/25/11 12:34 AM, Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk wrote: You can use

RE: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x

2011-01-27 Thread Steve Green
.x On Jan 26, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Steve Green wrote: To the best of my knowledge, all screen readers will 'accept' the new tags insofar as they will read the content between the tags. They just won't do anything with the tags themselves. On 1/25/11 12:34 AM, Steve Green

RE: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x

2011-01-27 Thread Steve Green
to make an informed decision. Bob - Original Message - From: Steve Green To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:56 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x In my view it depends on who you are and who is paying for the website development. If you

RE: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x

2011-01-27 Thread Steve Green
will not use this new technics now, then it wil be hard for browser vendors, web services and device makers to develop them futher. Of course that's all depend on type of site and conditions of work. 2011/1/27 Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk Both those examples are interesting

RE: [WSG] Mobile testing methods or emulators

2011-03-26 Thread Steve Green
than you could do the task using a desktop browser. Even typing URLs was taking a couple of minutes (they typically contained 50 characters or so), so we had to use a URL shortening service to speed that up. Good luck and let us know if you find a better service. Steve Green Director Test

RE: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

2011-06-24 Thread Steve Green
regarding the use of Vision Australia's tools if you have the skills to use them. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Spellacy, Michael Sent: 24 June 2011 17:16 To: wsg

RE: [WSG] accessibilty: avoid radio buttons?

2011-07-16 Thread Steve Green
and only one click is necessary instead of two. Steve Green Director Test Partners Ltd From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org on behalf of tee Sent: Sun 17/07/2011 00:14 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] accessibilty: avoid radio buttons? I am building

RE: [WSG] Accessibility: form errors at the end

2011-07-18 Thread Steve Green
If you are asking whether there needs to be a link from the error message to the corresponding form control, the answer is no. Steve Green Director Test Partners Ltd From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org on behalf of Sue Sent: Mon 18/07/2011 02:45 To: wsg

RE: [WSG] Read Speaker?

2012-02-21 Thread Steve Green
for these services (and they are not cheap) there are much better ways you can spend the money that will benefit more people. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of James O'Neill Sent: 21 February 2012 18:34 To: wsg

RE: [WSG] Read Speaker?

2012-02-21 Thread Steve Green
fund a continuous program of remedial work that would benefit all user groups rather than the fairly narrow range of user groups that benefit from ReadSpeaker. Steve Green From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of James O'Neill Sent: 21 February 2012 19

RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-07 Thread Steve Green
-Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Boermans Sent: 07 March 2012 11:20 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice? On 6 March 2012 09:20, Dan Freeman dan.free...@lexi.com wrote:

RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-07 Thread Steve Green
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice? Come on Steve, tell us why not then? Bob - Original Message - From: Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice

RE: [WSG] WSG - Time for a re-think on WSG.

2012-03-19 Thread Steve Green
You wouldn't put up with a web page that forced you to read a short message and hit the delete key before seeing the rest of the page. That's exactly what the new European cookie law is going to force you to do. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org

[WSG] RE: WCAG 2.0 compliance and best practise on the Skip to function [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

2012-06-05 Thread Steve Green
these browsers. I believe that Opera has the native ability to jump to headings, so that would provide a very similar capability, especially if you add hidden headings for the navigation. I don't believe any other browsers have any such features yet. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners

RE: [WSG] WCAG 2.0 compliance and best practise on the Skip to function [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

2012-06-05 Thread Steve Green
I do not recommend putting the navigation after the content. In fact I would go as far as to say it's a really bad practice because it violates every user's expectation of where the navigation will be. Using CSS to position it above the content makes things even worse because the tab order no

RE: [WSG] Source order of content / navigation

2012-06-05 Thread Steve Green
2.4.3: Structuring the content so the main content comes first (in structure - but the default presentation may be a different order), and adding links to the blocks of repeated content. On 5 June 2012 22:57, Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk wrote: I do not recommend putting

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