November 2008 21:07
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Text-only version
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
You can do a lot of what Betsie does using CSS but the one thing you
can't do is replace the images with their 'alt' attributes.
Does
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Sent: 20 November 2008 21:06
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Text-only version
Steve Green wrote:
You can do a lot of what Betsie does using CSS but the one thing you
can't do is replace the images
November 2008 21:33
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Text-only version
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Steve Green
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wrote:
You can do a lot of what Betsie does using CSS but the one thing you
can't do is replace the images with their 'alt' attributes.
Does
I would be grateful if any JavaScript (specifically jQuery) experts could
contact me off-list as I have a client who needs some remedial work done
(for which they will pay). Also are there any more suitable places I could
post this request?
Steve
Stuart's point is that blinking content violates checkpoint 7.2 of the W3C
Web Content Accessibility Guidelines:
Until user agents allow users to control blinking, avoid causing content to
blink (i.e., change presentation at a regular rate, such as turning on and
off)
Steve
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It is understood that some tasks will require two keys, such as Alt + down
arrow to open a combobox.
I presume you are testing on a Mac because I see slightly different
behaviour than you describe in Windows browsers. In both Internet Explorer 6
and Firefox 2.0 the arrow keys alone are sufficient
Accessibility validators should make it very clear where a checkpoint is
required by a standard (in which case they should provide a reference so you
can check the precise wording) and where it is 'best practice' (according to
who?).
In this case the 'failure' is not a non-compliance with any
I don't allow QuickTime to be installed on any of our machines either. Is
there a reason why you can't use a file format that has a larger installed
user base? Most non-Mac users won't have QuickTime.
Steve
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org
It's not just screen readers that have problems with new windows. Every user
group we have tested with has had problems.
Screen reader users sometimes do not notice that the screen reader has
announced the opening of a new window. Screen magnifier users frequently
cannot tell that a new window
It's not just replicating browser functionality - it's a call to action. As
such I think it's perfectly reasonable.
Steve
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Sent: 25 March 2009 13:36
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Behalf Of Andrew Maben
Sent: 25 March 2009 15:18
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] add to favorites?
On Mar 25, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Steve Green wrote:
It's not just replicating browser functionality
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone
Sent: 25 March 2009 16:19
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] add to favorites?
This list is aware of many marketing practices that are against Web
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]on
Behalf Of Christopher Kennon
Sent: 15 April 2009 01:40
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty
Hi All,
The text indent CSS property can render an h#
Actually he won't see a bug free site at all. Correcting the doctype and
other issues makes no difference.
The bug does not occur in Internet Explorer 6. Something like this has been
reported previously but the only references I can find are not directly
applicable to this situation.
JAWS
behaves this way.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd
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It's not that simple. We are working with some UK Government departments
that still use WCAG 1.0 and will continue to do so until well into 2010.
Other departments have already adopted WCAG 2.0.
To answer the question, I do not believe such a list exists, and it would
require continuous
Hi everyone.
I was just looking at a page on the National Library of Australia web site
(http://www.nla.gov.au/services/issnabout.html) and noticed the font
rendering was strange in my browser (Firefox 3.5.3). When I looked at the
markup to try and understand why, I found that the site seem to be
It may seem strange, but image maps are more accessible to screen reader
users than to almost any other user group. They are a significant barrier to
some user groups even when correctly coded, so you should provide the
information in an alternative, accessible manner.
For your class exercise you
I always point people to http://blackwidows.co.uk/. The links are accessible
to screen readers and are displayed when they have focus so they are
accessible to sighted users who use keyboard navigation.
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Subject: RE: [WSG] skip links
I always point people to http://blackwidows.co.uk/. The links are accessible
to screen readers and are displayed when they have
regards
Mark
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Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 11:01 AM
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Subject: RE: [WSG] skip links
A 1-pixel image works for screen reader users but it is no use
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Sent: 02 November 2009 01:35
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Complex data tables, accessibility and XHTML Basic 1.1
Steve Green wrote:
I am tempted to say
of the world cannot afford to upgrade as fast as we can.
Steve Green
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than
loading a new page. We keep telling them to implement the feature
differently but they persist despite all the accessibility problems it
causes.
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fixed font sizes,
which just introduces a different problem.
Steve Green
Managing Director
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of tee
Sent: 26 October 2010 03:00
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Subject: Re: [WSG
It's just an animated GIF.
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On Behalf Of Grant Bailey
Sent: 08 November 2010 12:14
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Google 'X-ray' banner
Hello,
Does anyone know how Google did their
I'm with Patrick on this one. The form, fieldset and label elements
provide all the semantic structure you need. Anything else is noise.
Steve Green
Test Partners Ltd
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Taylor
time the focus is not correctly controlled is when the
'Recommend to a friend' or 'Email results' forms are submitted. In these
cases the focus returns to the top of the page. The developers tell us
it's because they can't control the focus after an HTTP request.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners
AM, Steve Green wrote:
Yes, here's one we worked on -
http://htmltools.moneymadeclear.org.uk/mortgage-calculator/index.aspx
Have you tested it on Firefox? It doesn't seem to allow keyboard support
for the modal window.
Also, a usability glitch IMHO, the close button should
I just tested it in exactly the same operating system and browser, and
it works fine. The fact that you are seeing the 'Skip to content' link
suggests that the focus is going to the top of the page, not into the
lightbox. That happens if JavaScript is turned off, and I can't think of
any other
That would do no harm, but I don't think it would be much benefit either. This
site is about a year old, and we took the view that ARIA was not sufficiently
well supported to be worth using. More importantly, users typically have no
idea what it is when they encounter it, so it will be years
So called 'semantic classnames' are not semantic at all except in the
case of microformats. The whole point of semantic markup is that the
author and user agree on the terminology and the meaning, and that is
not the case with semantic classnames no matter how obvious they may
seem to you.
You can use it, but will anyone benefit from it? Assistive technologies don't
support much, if any, of the new semantics. I don't know if search engines and
other users of programmatic access to websites are currently able to make use
of HTML5 markup, but I have not seen anything to indicate
On 25 Jan 2011, at 08:34, Steve Green wrote:
You can use it, but will anyone benefit from it? Assistive
technologies don't support much, if any, of the new semantics. I don't
know if search engines and other users of programmatic access to
websites are currently able to make use of HTML5 markup, but I
, and placing text within
the canvas. At one time there was a conflict when combining ARIA
landmarks with the new elements. But this is no longer a problem as the
screen reader software was fixed.
Ted
On 1/25/11 12:34 AM, Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk
wrote:
You can use
.x
On Jan 26, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Steve Green wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, all screen readers will 'accept'
the new tags insofar as they will read the content between the tags.
They just won't do anything with the tags themselves.
On 1/25/11 12:34 AM, Steve Green
to make an
informed decision.
Bob
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From: Steve Green
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x
In my view it depends on who you are and who is paying for the website
development. If you
will not use this new technics now, then it wil be hard for browser
vendors, web services and device makers to develop them futher.
Of course that's all depend on type of site and conditions of work.
2011/1/27 Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk
Both those examples are interesting
than you could do the task using a desktop browser. Even typing
URLs was taking a couple of minutes (they typically contained 50 characters or
so), so we had to use a URL shortening service to speed that up.
Good luck and let us know if you find a better service.
Steve Green
Director
Test
regarding the use of Vision Australia's
tools if you have the skills to use them.
Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
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On Behalf Of Spellacy, Michael
Sent: 24 June 2011 17:16
To: wsg
and
only one click is necessary instead of two.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org on behalf of tee
Sent: Sun 17/07/2011 00:14
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] accessibilty: avoid radio buttons?
I am building
If you are asking whether there needs to be a link from the error message to
the corresponding form control, the answer is no.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org on behalf of Sue
Sent: Mon 18/07/2011 02:45
To: wsg
for these services (and they are not
cheap) there are much better ways you can spend the money that will benefit
more people.
Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of James O'Neill
Sent: 21 February 2012 18:34
To: wsg
fund a continuous program of
remedial work that would benefit all user groups rather than the fairly narrow
range of user groups that benefit from ReadSpeaker.
Steve Green
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Behalf Of James O'Neill
Sent: 21 February 2012 19
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Sent: 07 March 2012 11:20
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Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?
On 6 March 2012 09:20, Dan Freeman dan.free...@lexi.com wrote:
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Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?
Come on Steve, tell us why not then?
Bob
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From: Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice
You wouldn't put up with a web page that forced you to read a short message
and hit the delete key before seeing the rest of the page.
That's exactly what the new European cookie law is going to force you to do.
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org
these
browsers.
I believe that Opera has the native ability to jump to headings, so that would
provide a very similar capability, especially if you add hidden headings for
the navigation. I don't believe any other browsers have any such features yet.
Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners
I do not recommend putting the navigation after the content. In fact I would go
as far as to say it's a really bad practice because it violates every user's
expectation of where the navigation will be. Using CSS to position it above the
content makes things even worse because the tab order no
2.4.3:
Structuring the content so the main content comes first (in structure - but
the default presentation may be a different order), and adding links to the
blocks of repeated content.
On 5 June 2012 22:57, Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk wrote:
I do not recommend putting
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