Zendervish,
Thanks for this interesting synopsis. It helps put the book and your thoughts
on the book into perspective.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, salik888 novelidea8@... wrote:
Joe and Bill
I am reading the book, and I get where Mr Kim is coming from . . .
contextually
Rosy,
You might like to talk with a Buddhist Chaplain.
My friend Claude d'Estree has been a Buddhist Chaplain at Harvard University,
and at the University of Arizona. He is a senior student in America of the
Dalai Lama, and a lineage holder. He is also a practitioner of Korean Zen
(Son).
Is there a difference between a teacher giving lessons to students for $120 and
one giving them in return for a blowjob?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Merle,
The biographer interviewed some 427 people who knew John while alive. I call
that
Chris,
Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
That reluctance to challenge the prevailing conditions is why human history
has been so awful until so recently, and is only now slightly better.
You -- yes, and even You -- have to look at it with the eyes of Compassion
and Wisdom, not with the
According to contemporary standards, why yes there is.
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Feb 20, 2013 12:14 AM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
Is there a difference between a teacher giving lessons to students for
$120 and one giving them in return for a blowjob?
...Bill!
--- In
Bill!,
Ha! I criticize your statement here.
The fellow gets deep down into the basement, and sees the treasures in the wine
cellar, then says that the stairway that led him down there and bore all his
weight, step by step, safely!, and then removed all his weight, is fluff,
extraneous, and
Bill!,
I don't understand the wording. Is something garbled, there?
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Is there a difference between a teacher giving lessons to students for $120
and one giving them in return for a blowjob?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe
From Ramana Maharishi - (very thought provoking)
“I have never done any sadhana. I did not even know what
sadhana was. Only long afterwards I came to know what sadhana
was and how many different kinds of it there were. Only if there
was a goal to attain, I should have made sadhana to attain that
Chris, and what is that? The fact $120 is a lot more money than you'd have to
pay for a blowjob?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
According to contemporary standards, why yes there is.
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Feb 20, 2013 12:14 AM,
Suresh,
Thank you! It's beautiful!, beautiful.
The only thing better than a first-hand account is your own account.
--Joe
SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@... wrote:
From Ramana Maharishi - (very thought provoking)
I have never done any sadhana. I did not even know what
sadhana was. Only
Joe,
You speak the truth about the way I discovered/uncovered Just THIS! But my
reference in this thread was to the ESSENCE of zen, not the various routes you
can or should try taking to discover/uncover the essence.
As I am sure you know zen literature sometimes refers to what I call 'fluff'
In re-reading it I could have made it clearer by either:
- repeating the word 'lessons' after the word 'them' in the latter part of the
sentence.
- using the noun 'lessons' instead of the pronoun 'them' in the latter part of
the sentence.
Better now?
...Bill!
--- In
Thanks,
--Chris
ch...@austin-lane.net
+1-301-270-6524
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote:
Chris,
Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
That reluctance to challenge the prevailing conditions is why human
history
has been so awful until so recently,
Joe,
The secretive and guarded 'wine cellar' analogy is misleading. We're selling
water by the river, remember?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Bill!,
You've had a taste of my tough love. See?, that sweet stuff was not so bad.
And I see
Joe,
Most of what I write he is purely extemporaneous. I don't often re-read and
edit it. Sometimes I start a sentence with one thought in mind but that
changes a little before the end of the sentence. The result sometimes is not
representative of my best rhetoric or prose.
If it continues
Chris,
Me? Rather give a blowjob than pay a [monetary] fee? I guess that all depends
on the fee...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Chris, and what is that? The fact $120 is a lot more
A picture of a rice cake is not a rice cake, but it's still a rice cake.
It should be painted with attention.
Thanks,
--Chris
ch...@austin-lane.net
+1-301-270-6524
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
Chris,
Me? Rather give a blowjob than pay a [monetary]
Says someone that probably hasn't sent typo free email in 4 weeks, judging
from the samples I do reread when people reply to them.
Thanks,
--Chris
ch...@austin-lane.net
+1-301-270-6524
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.netwrote:
A picture of a rice cake is
Bill!,
Yeah, you say that, but you're not hoarding water!
I may be, but I'm the guy in the desert.
Anyway, it *was* my turn to mislead.
Else, where's the fun in Good Cop, Bad Cop?
(Gotta keep up my role if I want my check from the Precinct at the end of two
weeks).
--Joe
PS I like the
This is not a reply to Chris' recent post, A picture of a rice cake is
not a rice cake, but it's still a rice cake. It should be painted with
attention.
Arg, as I said typo city -
It is still a picture of a rice cake.
Thanks,
--Chris
ch...@austin-lane.net
+1-301-270-6524
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
This is not a reply to Chris' recent post, A picture of a rice cake is
not a rice cake, but it's
Chris,
Man, you weren't kidding about the art lessons.
--Joe
PS I think Bill! gives it attention just fine, and I *don't* want for him to
have to feel he has to now start using ...POLISH. I can't even SPEAK Polish.
And polish is for woodworkers like me.
Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
Bill!,
Merle is gonna love that, she is.
Nice post!
--Joe
PS I'm glad I never learned to smoke. Whenever someone offered me a
cigarette, I usually accepted, say, in college, anyway. I always choked, and
my friend or new acquaintance would laugh. I've lost too many friends to
smoking,
Bill!,
Think about it before you begin a practice of some kind, I think Suresh may
mean.
Maharshi is saying that all he did was begin to sit with his eyes open, rather
than as he did previously, with eyes closed. So he changed to sitting with
eyes open, as we do in zazen. And, at some point
Joe,
Thanks! You're post below was very thought provoking...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Bill!,
Think about it before you begin a practice of some kind, I think Suresh may
mean.
Maharshi is saying that all he did was begin to sit with his
And Merle is the person here who knows a Zen fraud when she hears of one,
contrary to the true believer zennists among us...
Thanks Merle!
Edgar
On Feb 19, 2013, at 10:41 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
edgar is a steady ship who sails the 7 seas so careful to not fall overboard
or be
Edgar,
I know who Merle is, but what is the 'Zen fraud' to which you're referring, and
who do you consider 'true believer zennists' (or how do you characterize them)
on this Yahoo! Zen Forum which is dedicated to discussions on Zen Buddhism?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar
Hi Siska,
Thanks for the cogent question
All that exists is reality, so in that sense all that exists is Zen.
However reality is a magician's trick where things are not as they appear. If
we take the illusion of the trick as reality we are unenlightened, but if we
take the exact same
Siska,
Those politically correct types who see racism where it doesn't exist are NOT
enlightened beings because they are still living in the world of illusion their
own minds construct for them...
Edgar
On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:43 AM, siska_...@yahoo.com wrote:
Joe,
Racism is part of Zen
Bill,
Wasn't referring to you...
Edgar
On Feb 20, 2013, at 7:37 AM, Bill! wrote:
Edgar,
I know who Merle is, but what is the 'Zen fraud' to which you're referring,
and who do you consider 'true believer zennists' (or how do you characterize
them) on this Yahoo! Zen Forum which is
Bill!,
A metaphysical wrestling match sounds awesome. Imagine Hulk Hogan and Jesse
Ventura facing-off against each other over whether Wittgenstein was correct in
his theory that the world is made up of facts and not objects. Maybe I should
start our future dialogues with I'm gonna break you..
Joe, br/br/Garbled or 'gobbled'? ; )br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from
Yahoo! Mail for iPhone
Edgar,
It's okay if you were. You did already say you thought I was 'orthodox' or
something like that. No big deal.
What is the 'Zen fraud' to which you referred? The sex thingy?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill,
Wasn't referring to
Mike,
Satori (realization/manifestation of Buddha Nature) is awareness, but that
awareness is not the awareness of a subject, nor is it an awareness of an
object. It is just direct, pure, holistic awareness. Just THIS! I usually
refer to this holistic awareness just as 'experience', since
Subhana is a candidate. Ask Merle...
Edgar
On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Bill! wrote:
Edgar,
It's okay if you were. You did already say you thought I was 'orthodox' or
something like that. No big deal.
What is the 'Zen fraud' to which you referred? The sex thingy?
...Bill!
---
Bill!,
I think we're now beginning to say the same thing which is a good thing!
That holistic-awareness to me is just the same as my 'subjective-objective'
definition. The only thing I'd question is that when you say, ..not the
awareness of a subject.. - I'd say the subject is seen thru (as
Edgar,
Oh, that Subhana. I have nothing substantive to add to that discussion.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Subhana is a candidate. Ask Merle...
Edgar
On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Bill! wrote:
Edgar,
It's okay if you were.
Mike,
Okay, I can live with 'holistic experience in which subject/object (dualism) is
seen to be illusory.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Bill!,
I think we're now beginning to say the same thing which is a good thing!
That holistic-awareness to
Mike,
I just went to bed but had to get up to basically retract what I had written
below.
During 'kensho' or 'satori' there is ONLY pure holistic awareness; what I call
experience, and sometimes use the unnecessary qualifiers of pure, direct,
immediate and sensory. There is NO awareness of
taking The Great Heart Wisdom Sutra into consideration, isn't form and
emptiness the same, thus illusion would not be less or more -- I am
realistically!
/\
zendervish
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Zendervish,
No, there are absolutely no intrinsic (could
I am glad
/\
zendervish
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Zendervish,
Thanks for this interesting synopsis. It helps put the book and your
thoughts on the book into perspective.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, salik888 novelidea8@ wrote:
Bill
In reality isn't it all the same thing?
Phenomena, enlightenment, taking out the garbage, zazen, one-eyed dogs, etc is
all Dharma?
Questions about questions?
Assertions about assertions?
Buddha Nature
/\
zendervish
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Mike and Bill,
Further in my reading of Kim's book. The encounter (experience as Bill says)
with impermanence and emptiness of form is, or appears to be the so-called
`mystical' realization for Dogen. There are glimpses of it early for Dogen,
like his mother's funeral, seeing the incense rise
Edgar,
I doubt that Merle was complimenting you on being a Zen fraud, but have it
your way.
What's a Zen fraud?
A relative of Sigmoid Frond?
Something else in Merle's list of specious zen things, and good for a hoot.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
And Merle is the person here who
Bill!,
Aww-w, ...not even at a penny a post?
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Edgar,
Oh, that Subhana. I have nothing substantive to add to that discussion.
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk
good one ...100 marks to those who know who the artist is merle
This is not a reply to Chris' recent post, A picture of a rice cake is not a
rice cake, but it's still a rice cake. It should be painted with attention.
Merle,
Guessing Marcel Duchamp.
God morning to you. Snow! in the desert today. A rare day.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
good one ...100 marks to those who know who the artist is merle
This is not a reply to Chris' recent post, A picture of a rice cake is not a
how are we going to ever be pure and true to zen if we are always busy
polishing...
goodness me..
surely it's the moment the very essence of existence ..
that tiny second that we relish..
sifting and policing the moment will destroy the joy of being...
constantly chattering in our minds
where there is hope of a dollar
folk are there with their mouths open wide and their palms greased ready to
take...
be it zen or be it blow jobs..
.that is the nature of the beast as it stands today..
merle
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
Chris,
please enhance this !..merle
Merle,
The moonlight of Samadhi.
The Great Golden Ocean Seal samadhi, for example.
I recommend Zen practice to Painters, regularly. A few of them have taken it
up. They know I would not mislead them.
There's gold in this path, Merle. You are it. But
did you look at this website joe?..merle
Merle,
I want icecream. Is it icecream?
I heard today that there is a country in the world where the _per capita_
consumption of icecream amounts to US $700 equivalent. Does anybody know where
that is?
--Joe
Merle Lester wrote:
THIS IS AN
correct!
so beautiful to see the snow..in the desert..now that is a treat!... we have
grey clouds and the showers looming at 10:24am..merle
Merle,
Guessing Marcel Duchamp.
God morning to you. Snow! in the desert today. A rare day.
--Joe
Merle Lester wrote:
good one ...100 marks
bill..
which aldous huxley book have you read?
oneness just is
we just are however we forget we are
merle
Mike,
I really don't want to get in a metaphysical wrestling match with you, and I
have read both William James and Aldous Huxley and do appreciate the state they
are referring to
Merle,
I also gave Bill! similar leave and dispensation (but no compensation; and no
taxation without perspiration). ;-)
But our group-made gallery is not the Louvre, here. It is a (largely)
text-based communications medium. I could not suggest polishing grammar or
even punctuation, for
joe..
the bird is free..
never chain the bird..
in so doing we chain ourselves
i am not a bird watcher as such..
even watching birds do we destroy their freedom to be?..
merle
Merle,
I leave the birds in the bush because I am so shy and retiring, like you, who
won't even email a
Dear Merle,
Merle wrote:
please enhance this !
Done!
For YOURSELF, though, practice will do it for YOU, too.
See, I can't operate a wrench at such a distance, nor direct my feather-duster
through all that wind at the Equator.
Contact your locals, and they can help, just in the same kind of
drugs ..drugs drugs...the world of drugs that we encounter now is quite
alarming..
a pill for this a pill for that..
always popping pills ..big business our society now..
occasionally i taketh of the wine that jesus spoke of and find the mediative
quality enhances perception..
cultures
dear joe..of course i am interested...and i thank you for your never ending
faith that one day i may find a way...merle
Dear Merle,
Merle wrote:
please enhance this !
Done!
For YOURSELF, though, practice will do it for YOU, too.
See, I can't operate a wrench at such a distance,
Yes, Merle, thank you very much, I did open said link.
I became scared, though, and actually horrified. I couldn't look at more than
one image. This is one reason I'm usually quite tentative about opening links,
especially those without good strong motivation given to do so, as in it's
given
Merle,
I study them from life because I paint them. I don't know why I do this. And
I'm new at both things, so I don't know how long either thing will last. I
love knowing their lovely names, and I love reciting their names. Like
reciting the names of the stars at night.
I hope you know
Hi Bill,
What is the fundamental importance of the premise All beings have Buddha
Nature if one is not aware of it?
There is Buddha Nature, but some people are aware of it and some don't. So,
what does this 'embedded' Buddha Nature implies?
It doesn't feel right, feels like duality also, but
Zendervish,
You asked if there were any differences between illusion and dharma, and I
answered (offered my opinion) 'no'. So what's your point?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, salik888 novelidea8@... wrote:
taking The Great Heart Wisdom Sutra into consideration, isn't form and
Hi Edgar,
So when we see unenlightened beings, is that experience reality or illusion?
Similar question, when we see ourselves as unenlightened, is that reality or
illusion?
How do you tell which is what? How do you know which is what?
Siska
-Original Message-
From: Edgar Owen
Edgar,
Aren't we ALL not enlightened beings, regardless what types?
Or, at least I'm speaking for myself.
Siska
--Original Message--
From: Edgar Owen
Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
ReplyTo: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ...
Zendervish,
If you want to continue this discussion I'll have to know what you mean when
you use the term 'dharma'.
I looked it up in Wikipedia and their definition of the Buddhist concept of
'dharma' has 4 parts:
1. The state of Nature as it is (yath#257; bh#363;ta)
2. The Laws of Nature
Chris,
Is that so? ;-)
--Joe
Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
Two words to remember about Zen: Not Always So.
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
* To visit
Zendervish,
It does sound like an interesting book. I especially liked the description of
'glimpses' of Buddha Nature before kensho/satori. Of course those 'glimpses'
only became significant AFTER kensho/satori because it was then the memory of
them were put into context. I think we've all
Merle,
It was of course the great surrealist René Magritte.
Just credit my account with the 100 marks...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 good one ...100 marks to those who know who the artist is merle
Â
This is not a reply to Chris' recent
Merle,
Brave New World
Eyeless in Gaza
Island (halfway)
The Perennial Philosophy
The Doors of Perception (my favorite)
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 bill..
which aldous huxley book have you read?
oneness just is
 we just are
huh..i am confused...don't you have virus protection on your computer?... pc i
presume?..merle
Yes, Merle, thank you very much, I did open said link.
I became scared, though, and actually horrified. I couldn't look at more than
one image. This is one reason I'm usually quite tentative
yes..my fav too doors of perception plus perennial philosophy...i love aldous
huxley..genius!..merle
Merle,
Brave New World
Eyeless in Gaza
Island (halfway)
The Perennial Philosophy
The Doors of Perception (my favorite)
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester wrote:
Mike,
Thanks. I have two comments on this:
1. It was not MY experience that kensho/satori included an awareness of
subject/object (illusion).
2. IMO, and to resolve the writings you cite with my experience, I believe the
passages refer to observations made and conclusions reached AFTER
i love all haiku...so simple and to the point!..
how delightfully caring you are joe..
the child in you is still there i see...
the beauty of the bird is the joy of seeing it in flight..
if only we had wings then we too might be liberated ...
however we are chained to the ground...
well done bill...!... merle
Merle,
It was of course the great surrealist René Magritte.
Just credit my account with the 100 marks...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester wrote:
 good one ...100 marks to those who know who the artist is merle
Â
This is not a
Merle,
Maybe the t'ai chi teacher has experience with zazen-styled seated meditation,
and can set you up with a cushion to suit you, and suggest and model several
postures which could suit you.
Be sure that a cushion is not one of those hand-woven ones that you repeated
write that you
Siska,
The premise is 'all SENTIENT beings have Buddha Nature', not just 'all beings'.
'Sentient' is very important because it is that quality that is Buddha Nature.
How about I go to an outside source to address the uneasiness you've expressed
in resolving how all have Buddha Nature but only
Merle,
The image I saw scared me. It was late at night here, and I did not want to
risk a possible nightmare or other upset.
Maybe I'll try again some sunny day.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
huh..i am confused...don't you have virus protection on your computer?... pc
i
Merle
www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1
god forbid..what would scare you joe?...merle
Merle,
The image I saw scared me. It was late at night here, and I did not want to
risk a possible nightmare or other upset.
Maybe I'll try again some sunny day.
--Joe
Merle Lester wrote:
huh..i am confused...don't you have virus
Siska,
When we see any being as it is that is enlightenment (realization is my
preferred word) whether that being is itself realized or not.
Seeing oneself as unenlightened one must be unenlightened, at least partially.
Seeing oneself as enlightened you could be fooling yourself, most likely
Siska,
I prefer to say we all ARE enlightened beings, but that some of us just don't
realize that yet...
We all live in the world of forms and all forms are illusions in the sense that
they are not the individual things they seem to be but are actually empty
information forms manifesting
Bill,
Wrong! All beings and in fact everything that exists 'has Buddha Nature'
because Buddha Nature (tao or ontological energy) is what everything in the
universe is made out of... It is THE ONLY substance of reality because it is
being or existence itself.
Edgar
On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:54
Edgar, Bill!, All,
I won't say yes, I won't say no.
But just to note that...
...at the close of sesshin in the Diamond Sangha, there is a closing ceremony,
and the Ino intones a Dedication (I've added my emphasis as all-caps, and
preceding and leading stars):
In the purity and clarity of the
Edgar,
I'm distressed and rather embarrassed to have to inform you on such a public
forum as this that you have a teeny-weeny though not insignificant
misunderstanding of what Buddha Nature is.
You can read about it, write about it and think about it all you want but until
you actually
Joe,
Plants, such as bushes and grasses, are sentient beings. Do you think
otherwise?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Edgar, Bill!, All,
I won't say yes, I won't say no.
But just to note that...
...at the close of sesshin in the Diamond
Bill!,
I won't say.
My point about hearing about them at the end of sesshin in this way is that it
is just so welcome, and so unexpected (except after the first 45 or 50 sesshin
attended), that it arouses laughter, in what has for seven solid days been
(usually) a pretty solemn and silent
Joe,
You sure always have a lot to say for someone who doesn't want to say a lot.
I appreciate plants being sentient because it seems to me that they have senses
and can experience.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Bill!,
I won't say.
My
Mike,
I say Edgar is right, though, that coming back is a hard part.
Especially coming back from a long practice somewhere, and making your own
(interruptable) schedule, again. It takes balance (retaining it, and, yes,
reGaining it), and grace. Grace toward others and toward oneself.
Joe,
Maybe I missed something, but is your comment below addressed to Mike about
Edgar's comment - and if so which one? Or should your comment below have been
addressed to Edgar about Mike's comment - which you included below?
Twirling in Thailand...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com,
Hi, Bill!,
Somewhere in the thread of posts of late regarding Buddha Nature, Edgar
mentioned that a hard part in our practice is bringing our awakening to the
realm of forms, and that meditation leading to awakening may have been the
easy part of the old two-step.
I didn't really think this
My meaning would be from teachers in Soto tradition who honor the Three
Treasures -- Buddha, Dharma, Sangah . . .
I would not care to comment about wiki
/\
zendervish
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Zendervish,
If you want to continue this discussion I'll
Bill!,
quoting Bill!:
I appreciate plants being sentient because it seems to me that they have
senses and can experience.
Now how am I ever going to be able to look my potatoes in the eyes again?
;-)
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Joe,
You sure always have a lot to say for someone
Joe,
Yes, I saw that. And also I too thought that although it was clumsily-worded
his heart was in the right place. Or at least the form that we call his heart
was in the right place. Or at least was I say it was in right place because I
suspect any notion of Edgar actually having a heart
Zendervish,
So...what does the term 'Dharma' mean to you? You use it as a word so you must
have an idea of what it means. From your response I suspect it means 'Buddha's
Teachings'.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, salik888 novelidea8@... wrote:
My meaning would be from teachers
Joe,
Exactly! It gives the whole practice of being a vegetarian an entirely new
meaning - hypocrite.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Bill!,
quoting Bill!:
I appreciate plants being sentient because it seems to me that they have
senses and
Zendervish,
I thought you'd choose #3.
#1 is not illusion, but also it has nothing to do with laws, teachings or
perceptions of phenomena. These are all illusory.
As always a BIG - IN MY OPINION...
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, salik888 novelidea8@... wrote:
Bill
But we
Bill!,
Now, now, not in the middle of that world. It's said that Mount Sumeru stands
in the middle of that world. So, the heart may be displaced to one side of the
Mountain... as it is in Humans to the left side of the medial line.
And with that, a good night!
--Joe
PS (Quarter-inch of
Joe,br/br/I'm completely on board with you. Even on the micro-level (say
after a few rounds of sitting zazen) you can feel the space between thoughts
shrink if you don't keep up the intensity. But once thru the gateless gate
there's a kind of 'muscle memory' that makes coming back to the mat
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