Bill!,
quoting:
I think Buddhism itself needs to be discarded completely.
Face it: it cannot be. It is a living thing. Living things evolve. I see no
asteroid coming to smack it.
Zen practice is a personal choice for a person who can cut to the chase, ...or
who can embrace nothing else.
Joe,
LOL! Bill is the asteroid bent on destroying Buddhism!
:-)
Edgar
On Jul 2, 2013, at 12:37 PM, Joe wrote:
Bill!,
quoting:
I think Buddhism itself needs to be discarded completely.
Face it: it cannot be. It is a living thing. Living things evolve. I see no
asteroid coming to
br/Bill!,br/br/The Beatles were arguably the best band in the world and
none of them could read music. Perhaps, therefore, we should discard with
formal music notation?br/br/Mikebr/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
mike..
how do you know this?...what is your evidence?.
i found that a bit far out..
who in the right mind would not want to know what all those musical notes
meant?..
merle
Bill!,
The Beatles were arguably the best band in the world and none of them could
read music. Perhaps,
why are you bringing this up as an argument joe..?..merle
Remember the objection against considering to end the war in Vietnam?:
What are you going to replace it with? joe
.
I like that - KISS is our task now.
I find the most
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Jul 2, 2013 2:49 AM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
Joe,
I think Buddhism itself needs to be discarded completely.
Zen, on the other hand, as it's presented in a lot of zen literature is
presented
Merle,br/br/Sorry, I'm not sure what you're saying here? Evidence of what?
And do you really think a symphony could be written without musical notation
(never mind performed or taught!)?br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo!
Mail for iPad
Merle,
Why?
Just follow the thread. It's an outgrowth of my creativity.
Not an apple or orange in the flow of it.
You're a tough customer! And the customer is not always right, from at least
some perspectives. That's why I mention following the thread.
--Joe
Merle Lester
Chris,
Your signal is cutting out... .
QSB, we say in radio.
(fading)
--Joe
Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
I like that - KISS is our task now.
I find the most
Thanks,
--Chris
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have
Bill!, Edgar,br/br/It's funny to hear you to argue that you think you both
have a better way to the truth than the Buddhadharma. Goes to show what a
formidable little critter the ego is. And to think you two both argue about its
delusional nature! Lmfao! : )br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo!
You are correct Joe.
Suresh
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Bill!,
You might not be among the fortunate who lived 2500 years ago, when literacy
was the exception.
The skilful ways of the ancestors might be hard for an English-Major to
comprehend!
@...;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Fw: It was like Shiva dancing in rage
Sent: Sun, Jun 30, 2013 12:40:13 AM
Mike,
Yes, you are right. I mistook Buddha Dharma for Buddha Nature which is
another name for my ontological energy
Bill,
I agree with this in general..
Edgar
On Jun 30, 2013, at 10:45 PM, Bill! wrote:
Joe,
Most religions are wisdom traditions. Their core beliefs may indeed be just
as pertinent today as they were 2500 years ago. It's not their core beliefs
I'm uncomfortable with, it's their method
Bill and Suresh,
One person's social responsibility is another person's fun...
Edgar
On Jul 1, 2013, at 1:08 AM, Bill! wrote:
Suresh,
Nice story, but I think it's not just Indian people that show no 'social
responsibility'. I'm sure everyone of us on this Forum see acts like this
Edgar,
Wisdom is carried, through the work of the traditions.
They are vessels, vehicles, and delivery-systems of methods, techniques.
It's the teaching ways of the traditions that changes, nimbly, to suit the time
and place. I think little basis changes.
That is my view!
No one but a
Bill!,
No, every generation makes some changes in how they teach, live, and in the
records they write down, or that others write about them.
I just found it odd that you should take the Buddha to task for beginning the
teaching in his day of an entirely new system with a simple outline,
Bill!,
Every generation has a responsibility to the present and the future.
I suspect you personally are doing the updating that you can. Onward!
It's said that Buddhism passes from one warm hand to another. It's not that
this needs updating; it's always changing, anyway.
Joe Campbell
Yes, Bill!
quoting:
As soon as you see something, you already start to intellectualize it. As soon
as you intellectualize something, it is no longer what you saw.
Now, what about when that's not so?
The out-of-context line is too glaringly black and white.
What about when you see something,
Joe,
Your saying that No one but a practitioner in a tradition can say that the
tradition no longer has the best truth.
is nonsense. All kinds of nutcase cult followers would claim their tradition is
the best and only truth and that all the other ones didn't. There are objective
standards of
As soon as you see something,
The unenlightened only see what their preconditioned constituent
sentient beings (beliefs, attitudes, opinions, moods, values, etc.) will
allow or force them to see and nothing more,
you already start to intellectualize it.
sentient beings automatically process it.
Edgar,
I think when Buddha first taught, people thought he might just be an eccentric.
And look at the traipsings of the traditionally playful Hotei. So I agree
there may be a fine line, here.
In the main, I still defer to practitioners, and not to outside judges, ...who
practice something
Mike,
The Noble Eightfold Path is a good guideline. So are the Ten Commandments. I
have three problems with the Noble Eightfold Path:
1. There are 8 categories. Why are all the activities that are possible in
life divided into 8 categories? Do the authors of this really think those 8
Bill!,br/br/1) Actually, the Noble Eightfold Path (NEP) is divided into 3
categories: br/br/Ethical Conduct: (right speech; right
livelihood)br/Mental Development: (right effort; right mindfulness; right
concentration)br/Wisdom: (right intention; right view)br/br/2) On What is
Rightbr/br/Right
Mike,
Thanks for your explanation and references.
I agree that the Zen Patriarchs were well-schooled in the sutras. Whether that
knowledge helped them awaken I do not know. Personally I think things like
these help you become interested in awakening and perhaps even give you
strength and
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Fw: It was like Shiva dancing in rage
Sent: Sun, Jun 30, 2013 12:40:13 AM
Mike,
Yes, you are right. I mistook Buddha Dharma for Buddha Nature which is
another name for my ontological energy.
As to the volume of work produced my book
Bill,
Agreed with one addition. Right action does help decrease suffering which in
turn makes it easier to attain realization. Of course with realization one
naturally follows the 8 fold path which as you point out is somewhat
arbitrary...
Edgar
On Jun 30, 2013, at 6:00 AM, Bill! wrote:
NEP?
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Jun 30, 2013 8:01 AM, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Bill,
Agreed with one addition. Right action does help decrease suffering which
in turn makes it easier to attain realization. Of course with realization
one naturally follows the 8 fold path
Bill!,br/br/The only thing I would say in response is that the Buddha
Dharma is far more that just a tool to motivate, but is actually a path that
can take you to the other shore ( I know, I know! There is no other shore ;
)br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Edgar,br/br/Well, that's at least one then! :
)br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Edgar,br/br/Not sure what you mean by right action. Yes, if you come at
it from an already awakened position then you would just be following the Noble
Eightfold Path. But if this is so, then following the path will also lead to
awakening. I would also say that there is nothing arbitrary about
that can
take you to the other shore ( I know, I know! There is no other shore ; )
Mike
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*From: * Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org;
*To: * Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
*Subject: * [Zen] Re: Fw
the hell are you in a cell working on
escape plans?!
On Fri, 6/28/13, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Subject: [Zen] Re: The Samsarashank Redemption
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 28, 2013, 9:10 PM
PBS,
I think it's
Mike,
Thank you!!
For my penance surviving another year as a rice-bag, I ran a quarter-marathon.
Before it got hot, out.
To keep this further on topic, let me say that the weather and climate are an
inspiration to my art, which is a part of my Practice / Sadhana. Paintings.
And
Edgar, Bill!, Group,
Counting and recitation were part of the oral tradition, leading toward
transmission of the material and its memorization, as in Bradbury's, FAHRENHEIT
451 (Celcius 233).
It has real historical roots, not obsessional. You may look into it.
Moderns think they're not
Chris,
You've got it.
No speculation, though.
That's *exactly* why certain objects in the teachings were numbered.
That practice has a long history in India before Shakyamuni lived.
Humans are pretty neat, in our capabilities, when it comes to important things.
Especially having to do
Mr. Suresh,
Again I caution that Mr. Begich is a bit of an alarmist; he may be passing
dis-information, besides.
A headline with Terrifying in it should be taken calmly, I think.
It's propaganda.
Energy expenditures to do what is claimed -- or hoped! -- in the article would
be enormous.
Bill!,
You might not be among the fortunate who lived 2500 years ago, when literacy
was the exception.
The skilful ways of the ancestors might be hard for an English-Major to
comprehend!
Breadth-Requirements might have had a chance of filling you in on the facts.
No? All but forgotten?
I
Mike,
I agree, sir.
Religions are Wisdom-Traditions.
Wisdom Traditions use the tools they have available. Then, and now.
That, too, is what makes them Wise.
They utilize fully what they have available, in service of True Compassion.
For their times, and future times.
Religions are not
Mike,
Buddha's Flower Sermon evidently spoke *volumes*.
And obviated them.
Kudos!
Hard to touch that.
Mahakasyapa was the first generation beyond Buddha, if not co-generational in
years, then, in Lineage. Maybe we count the Buddha as zero, and, ...I hope
so. He might, too. But I won't
Mike,
quoting:
( I know, I know! There is no other shore ; )
Shore, shore.
--Joe
uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Bill!, The only thing I would say in response is that the Buddha Dharma is
far more that just a tool to motivate, but is actually a path that can take
you to the other shore ( I know,
Joe,
First you say that ancient traditions as they were are to be respected. Then
you say they are constantly changing implying they are different now.
These are two clearly contradictory views. So which is it in your view?
Actually I have a different take on it but which is largely in
@... wrote:
Edgar,
No worries. Btw, Buddha would've been an Apple user.
Mike
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From: Edgar Owen edgarowen@...;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Fw: It was like Shiva dancing in rage
Sent: Sun, Jun 30, 2013 12:40:13 AM
Pudgala2,
If this is your contribution to the 'potluck' I'd like to have a 2nd and 3rd
and 4th, etc... helping please... ;)
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, pudgala2 pudgala2@... wrote:
Hello to All Members of Zen_Forum,
Posting my understanding of Zen on Buddhist forums
Joe,
So are you saying that we should not make any attempts to modernize and make
more relevant the mode of explanations and teachings from that of 2500 years
ago?
If that were the case in your line of work (astronomy) wouldn't we still be
locked into the earth as being flat and the center of
Joe,
Most religions are wisdom traditions. Their core beliefs may indeed be just as
pertinent today as they were 2500 years ago. It's not their core beliefs I'm
uncomfortable with, it's their method of communicating their core beliefs -
their myths, parables and symbols.
It's these I'd like
Suresh,
Nice story, but I think it's not just Indian people that show no 'social
responsibility'. I'm sure everyone of us on this Forum see acts like this
every day in every part of the world.
From a zen perspective I would say this is just a lack of compassion. These
people are two
Edgar,
As you know I don't like to rely too much on Buddhist or Hindu terms either.
'Samadhi' is a meditative state of non-duality or monism. It's what I also
call 'shikantazaza' if you're experiencing it during zazen. It can also be
called no-thought. I associate it strongly with Buddha
Joe,br/br/Happy Birthday, geezer!br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from
Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Bill,
I think it's a matter of definition. In general I think excessive concern with
'stages' of realization is a distraction from realization... And that goes for
standard Buddhism's obsessive with counting all sorts of things as well. The 7
this, the 5 that, the 8 this etc. etc.
Edgar
Don't forget the eightfold way.
I have heard it speculated that numbered lists make it easier in an oral
tradition to remember stuff, and that the proliferation of numbered items
in ancient spiritual traditions, especial Buddhism, are a normal result of
a few hundred years of oral transmission.
Chris,
Yes, that could well be...
Edgar
On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:31 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote:
Don't forget the eightfold way.
I have heard it speculated that numbered lists make it easier in an oral
tradition to remember stuff, and that the proliferation of numbered items in
ancient
Edgar,
I agree 100% with that! Like the Noble Eightfold Path: Right Speech, Right
Thought, Right Intentions, etc... Why do they name only 8 classes? Why do
they name classes at all? Why not just: Live Right? And anyway the challenge
isn't doing all the 'right' things. The challenge is
Dear Sri.Rajaram,
“You never replied in those incidents how did you feel in those days,
It happened in Ariyalur, sabarimala, Godavari boat, sri lanka,
Somalia, Saudi Kabba, Chennai to KK beach and Indonasia etc
tsunami.”
Of course, first scared, worried, since I put my self in those
situations
Bill,
Yes, I suspect it was just all those monks got so terribly bored with the
monastic life doing the same boring routine all day every day for their whole
lives they desperately needed something to occupy their minds.
Can you imagine a life of continually counting your prayer beads over and
Bill!,br/br/I can tell by the completely misrepresented view of things like
The Noble Eightfold Path on this forum that people criticise even though it's
obvious they haven't even bothered to study them. They're absolutely beautiful
and sublime teachings. Even though they're over 2,500 years
Edgar,br/br/The Buddhadharma in its present form has been around for 2,500
years and still applicable today. I wonder how long your ontological energy
theory (or whatever it is) will be around?...br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent
from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Mike,
It's two names for the same thing, though understood differently by many of
course...
It's not the names that matter since the thing itself is nameless. It's the
thing itself that matters...
I wouldn't get hung up in the names for it
Edgar
On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:57 AM,
Edgar,br/br/They're not the same thing with a different name. 'Buddha
Dharma' refers to the whole body of work developed and taught by the Buddha
including the sutras and methods of meditation etc. I've yet to see anything
resembling this from you (seeing illusion as reality doesn't really
to see anything resembling
this from you (seeing illusion as reality doesn't really comprise a whole
body of work).
Mike
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From: Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Fw: It was like Shiva dancing in rage
Edgar,br/br/No worries. Btw, Buddha would've been an Apple
user.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Joe,br/br/What? Are you saying I couldn't be a Zen master? I'll have you
know I read a book on Zen once. Well, ok - it was a pamphlet about the temple I
was visiting. But it was very informative pamphlet. With pictures and
all.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Dear Sir,
We are in very sorry state. Nothing can help us. We are ruining, our
days are counted.
I also looking out for god to help us. If he is there I am very much happy.
Why not look beyond Mahaperiva?
Living in cage(prison) and not realised that your living in your own prison
You will say
Edgar,br/br/There is no confusion in what I said at all and it also depends
on from which tradition you're talking about karma. As I've been taught, karma
will indeed play itself out, but only as long as a person still identifies
themselves with a self. Upon awakening to our Original Nature
Edgar, Mike, Suresh, et al...
I think this is just the same old conundrum associated with Dependent Arising
vs. Independent Existence (Buddhism) and Predestination vs. Free Will
(Christian).
I'm staying out of this discussion for the most part because as most of you
know already I think
Dear Joe,
Thanks for the reply. I will read about Yogacara Buddhist
philosophy.
Then come back to you.
Brgds
Suresh
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Suresh,
Your approach seems good, and practical.
I suppose there is a large weight of comfort in
Mike,
First, the law of karma is nonsense. I'm not defending it, just explaining it.
Also as you can see your reply as received was garbled so don't have time to
wade through it all..
Yes, karma plays itself out eventually. As to karma suddenly ceasing that's
only when all forms cease in what
Edgar,br/br/You're certainly entitled to your opinion that karma is
nonsense, but I agree with the Buddhadharma - that on observing the natural
world there are laws that affect it. These laws govern the universe and as we
are part of the universe those same laws govern us. Whether you see them
.
Mike
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From: Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Fw: It was like Shiva dancing in rage
Sent: Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:40:32 AM
Mike,
First, the law of karma is nonsense. I'm not defending it, just
Edgar,
I liked your description of the difference between enlightenment and nirvana:
...enlightenment in which one does not leave the world of forms but just sees
them for what they truly are... and In nirvana all forms cease permanently.
I agree with that and use the term 'delusions' as a
Edgar,
As a follow-on to this, what do you consider the difference/distinction between
samadhi and nirvana? ...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Edgar,
I liked your description of the difference between enlightenment and nirvana:
...enlightenment in
Edgar,br/br/There really is no confusion in my post whatsoever. Buddha
wanted to find out how to live happily and at peace in an ever changing world.
His first premise was that from the actual you can deduce the practical. The
actual are the laws I mentioned previously. His second premise was
Edgar,
On a point of order, I don't think it's appropriate here -- now -- or ever --
to use the word crazy when referring to a religion. Such loose talk is the
cause of trouble. You may have (and maintain) your biases, of course, but you
are not helpful to the conversation and to relations,
Mike,
I'm just not qualified to nominate you as a Zen master. I am an un-transmitted
Dharma Teacher in Sheng Yen's line, and still in training the next few years in
USA and Taiwan in the details of running Ch'an retreat (Sesshin), and teaching
to students.
I feel qualified to urge you and
Bill,
OK, then the only disagreement is that I maintain your 'delusions' are PART of
reality since I define reality as everything that exists without exception and
you think delusions are NOT part of reality...
Without that additional step you don't realize the meaning of 'mountains are
Dear Suresh,
Yogacara is also referred to as the Consciousness-Only School, and sometimes
as Mind-Only.
It is based on the Eight Consciousnesses.
Yogacara is still alive, but it has been absorbed into other Schools, either
entirely, or just in bits and pieces. Zen Buddhism has absorbed some.
Bill,
I don't use the term and don't really get into all the interminable Buddhist
and HIndu levels and counts of everything anyone could think of...
Edgar
On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Bill! wrote:
Edgar,
As a follow-on to this, what do you consider the difference/distinction
between
: Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Fw: It was like Shiva dancing in rage
Sent: Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:29:08 PM
Mike,
You are confusing cause and effect which is obviously true (even though Bill
denies it) and karma which is a pre
Joe,
All religions are CRAZY. They are delusional nonsense long refuted by science.
Zen is revealing the truth about everything. It's not coddling organized
religion but pointing out it's an impediment to realization..
Edgar
On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Joe wrote:
Edgar,
On a point of
Suresh,
- CAUTION -- OFF-ZEN-TOPIC REPLY, and FACTUAL DATA-DUMP -
Mr. Begich is a bit of an alarmist, and has been so on this matter for two
decades. I think there is a large bit of hoaxing involved.
Also, glaringly, the figure quoted for the power radiated by the antenna array
is
Edgar, Bill!,
This does not seem appropriate speech, here, considering all we've gone through
to establish civility and maintain rules of conduct.
As certain doctrines are central to certain traditions, it is NOT appropriate
to call them names, when one views from a set of biases which have
Bill!,
Will you please moderate this fellow? His continued blatant assertions are
offensive and inappropriate in a civil forum.
w/ thanks!,
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
All religions are CRAZY. They are delusional nonsense long refuted by science.
Zen is revealing the
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*From: * Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net;
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*Subject: * Re: [Zen] Re: Fw: It was like Shiva dancing in rage
*Sent: * Thu, Jun 27, 2013 1:07:05 PM
Mike,
No, this is not the correct
Joe,
Civility applies to persons on the list, not abstract doctrines many of which,
especially those of the organized religions are total delusional nonsense and
should be outed as such...
Edgar
On Jun 28, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Joe wrote:
Edgar, Bill!,
This does not seem appropriate
PS: I doubt Jesus' feelings will be hurt by anything I say about the religion
founded in his name that has little to do with him since he's been dead for
some 2000 years.
But if he was alive I suspect he'd be agreeing with me rather than Joe...
Edgar
On Jun 28, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Edgar
Edgar, (and Bill!),
Pls. be advised of the POSSIBILITY that persons on the list -- maybe many of
them quiet -- may hold doctrines dearly, personally, and importantly.
It is not your place to call the doctrines, or those who hold them, names.
Doctrines and practices are held by PEOPLE: they
Mike,
I think you indeed do well to distinguish that there are various and varying
conceptions and operational views of karma in different (Wisdom-) traditions,
Conceptions and views differ also in the different sects, and sub-sects, of
traditions.
Simply, karma originally means action, not
Joe,
Stop your carping and reread the rules...
Edgar
On Jun 28, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Joe wrote:
Edgar, (and Bill!),
Pls. be advised of the POSSIBILITY that persons on the list -- maybe many of
them quiet -- may hold doctrines dearly, personally, and importantly.
It is not your place
Joe,
Stop your carping and reread the rules... The moderators have agreed on the
rules and it's not up to you to change them. A single complaint is OK, but
incessant gripping on the same issue is off topic and has nothing to do with
zen..
Edgar
On Jun 28, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Joe wrote:
Joe,
Changing a thread title is fine and is encouraged when the poster wants to
transition to a new thread. Nothing wrong with it at all.
On the other hand snipping does destroy the integrity of threads and is
deprecated. You are the only poster here that does it.
That being said I don't
Edgar,
Take the same advice.
Your insults are beyond the pale, especially for a presumed moderator.
See Chris' Posting Tips, as well.
I give this advice as a friendly suggestion, and for the benefit of all here
concerned. tnx,
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
Stop your
It has to do with the rules, broken on two different occasions by a presumed
moderator in the same day, hence the two complaints.
Come, now; if we're on to a new way of operating, surely you are most welcome
to fall in line, also. Leave behind the nasties and gutter tactics, and pls.
discuss
Edgar,
Just don't incur the need for it, and post civilly.
Problem solved!
We'll let it go at that.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
Changing a thread title is fine and is encouraged when the poster wants to
transition to a new thread. Nothing wrong with it at all.
On the
PBS,
I think it's right.
It depends on what one escapes into, and maybe even on how, and why. Or if
escape is the truth of the matter.
Any other pointers, perfume advisories, or menu recommendations?
I'm having my birthday cake in 30 minutes.
Be free, healthy,
in the Dharma,
--Joe
Dear Mr. Suresh,
It is wonderful. TOO wonderful for me. I think, too, that you out-do
yourself, there. It is truly FINE. Do others think so, too?
Wow! Glad to know you.
Maybe the only thing to do next is to use a ploy or tactic they will *NOT*
expect. Try a perspective from Zen. It's
...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [Zen] Re: The Samsarashank Redemption
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 28, 2013, 9:10 PM
PBS,
I think it's right.
It depends on what one escapes into, and maybe even on how,
and why. Or if escape is the truth of the matter.
Any other
Dear Joe,
I understand your concern.
The members of other forum describe that catastrophe as order of god or fate or
Karma. I oppose as it is nothing to do with god, fate or Karma, it is science's
cause and effect such as global warming and inadequate disaster management in
the country and
Mike,
There are two of us so we will moderate ourselves. We will also listen to any
complaints or suggestions any of you have.
Also, if anyone wants to volunteer to be a Moderator please let us know.
Neither Edgar or I intend to be Moderator here for life.
...Bill!
--- In
JMJM,
Interesting suggestion. I guess it's the new e-version of 'The Scarlet Letter'.
I'm not sure what 'tagging' is or how to do it, but I will discuss this with
Edgar and let everyone know our decision.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, 覺å¦ç²¾æ ï¼JMJMï¼ chan.jmjm@... wrote:
Bill!,br/br/Fair enough. I assume you'll both be holding each other to the
same standard expected of the rest of us..br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent
from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Suresh,br/br/Hope you don't mind me jumping in here? Someone has the wrong
understanding of karma. At least the karma a taught by Buddha. Karma is not the
same as a fatalistic or determinative belief. Karma can be changed at anytime
if the right actions/thoughts are performed. Also, it is wrong
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