Re: [Zen] Re: Chan for this discussion group

2008-09-07 Thread Fitness63
So you finally let go of your mistaken notions and accept CHI? very good grasshopper. Now understand CHI. CHI is everywhere. CHIcks, CHIhuahuas, CHIn, CHIna, CHIcano, CHIcago, CHIli, CHIle, etc. Get in touch with CHI. Ride your CHI. - Original Message - From: Bill Smart To

[Zen] Re: Chan for this discussion group

2008-09-07 Thread Bill Smart
Al et al, Since we're on a lighter note I'd like to pass on that 'chi' in Thai is a verb that means 'to pee'. I always think of that when I read JMJM's posts. Maybe that's why I've had such a hard time swallowing his admonitions to embrace the chi. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

[Zen] Re: Chan for this discussion group

2008-09-07 Thread Bill Smart
JMJM, Although I do not agree with everything in your recent posting attached, I was not at all disappointed. I especially liked your quote from the Platform Sutra: "We originally have what is pure, unmovable, undying and sufficient." ...and your comment right after that: It is our mind and our

Re: [Zen] Re: Chan for this discussion group

2008-09-07 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi Bill, No need to say anything.  None of these discussion is important to our Inner Self.  No need to insist on anything or reject anything.  That are the working of our mind.  In parallel, our Inner Divine lives on by itself.  It has its own path and force and direction. It is our tru

[Zen] Re: Chan?

2008-09-07 Thread cid830
Mike, I always enjoy your posts, thank you. Even though I no longer practice, I still believe deeply in the Zen existence. And, no, I have not been listening to Al. Al should understand that if you detach yourself from your Ego through these 'mind-numbing' practices you will be a better person

[Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-07 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi All, Often we said to our selves, I hate myself. What's the origin of that? Often when we go shopping, our decisions are more promptu then logical. What's the cause of that? In our mind is a flawless software program, where does all the inspirations coming from? Communication experts ofte

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-07 Thread Fitness63
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - Each of us can live in the ZONE 24/7, by abandoning our mind, enhance our spirituality, using chi as the medium to sync to the universal consciousness.> According to some, the CHI is maya and there is nothing but JUST THIS which is lurching forward experiencing realit

Re: [Zen] Re: Chan?

2008-09-07 Thread Fitness63
From: cid830 >if you detach yourself from your Ego through these 'mind-numbing' practices you will be a better person, more in-tune with the world around you and enabling you to be an agent of change or positive influence to others. > I would like that, but Bill, Mike, Edgar, etc., state it is

[Zen] Re: Chan?

2008-09-07 Thread Bill Smart
Al, You're asking very difficult questions. I'll pass for now on the one about 'What is the point of living a good life if it means nothing and has no value?'. I'll only say now that although I don't worry about a point or a meaning to living, I wouldn't say life has no value. I'd like to in

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-07 Thread Edgar Owen
Fitness63, Bill, JM et al, Just because we recognize that what is is illusion doesn't mean we don't have to deal with it, or that it isn't part of the THIS (in Bill's terminology). The problem is when we get involved in conceptualizing spirituality (gods, demons, spirits etc.) and get dis

Re: [Zen] Re: Chan?

2008-09-07 Thread Edgar Owen
Bill and Al, Let me offer my answer to Al's question. The point of life (which exists only on the razor's edge of the present moment after all) is simply to be enlightened in this present moment right here right now. Then the question vanishes. And that is the answer. Total unqualified ac

[Zen] Re: Chan?

2008-09-07 Thread cid830
I too have enjoyed these latest threads, even though I'm afraid some of the intended meanings may go over my head. I believe the connection to God is reached through strict meditation (sure there are other ways, but this is the ZEN_Forum)... We still have our individual personalities that will

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-07 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi Al, The question is what is reality. According to Diamond Sutra, reality is Buddha, or Final Form. Then only after we surpass Form and Formlessness, then we see Buddha. Final form is the universal support of all forms, which is the life energy of everything. How can we be connected with

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-07 Thread Fitness63
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - The question is what is reality. According to Diamond Sutra, reality is Buddha, or Final Form. Then only after we surpass Form and Formlessness, then we see Buddha. Final form is the universal support of all forms, which is the life energy of everything. How can we be

Re: [Zen] Re: Chan?

2008-09-07 Thread Fitness63
From: cid830> While this is admirable, it definitely is not Zen.> That is your illusion of what is and what is not. JUST THIS? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To v

Re: [Zen] Chan - a true spirituality - the Inner Self

2008-09-07 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Well Al, It is not important how Zen is the same or not to Chan, because these are mental comparisons in the realm of forms, form of words, though in Chinese and Japanese writing they are identical, because after all Zen is from Chan. Whatever the incident, whether watching a tree or eating an