Hello Dave and forum
--- On Mon, 3/1/11, Dave P wrote:
From: Dave P
Subject: [Zen] Re: Mindfulness pt 2
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, 3 January, 2011, 7:21 AM
1) Is ten minutes okay? I ask because I already have a timed CD with a 10
minute zazen session.
MEL: E
I am not sure where you got the impression that I am not taking medication. I
have been taking medication for OCD for over 15 years. I would not be so
frustrated if the medication had worked. I also help others all the time - it
is my job.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote:
I wasn't clear about the CD. it is by John Daido loori, and it is a gong
followed by 10 minutes of silence completed by another gong.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ
wrote:
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> Hi Dave P,
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> Great. You are willing to give it a try. Here is the link to m
Good Morning Dave P,
Let me explain why "gong" or timer or any external devices are not
recommended for serious Chan practitioners.
Because, when there is external dependency, our mind will be anxious in
waiting for that "gong". It could be constantly asking itself, "where
is the gong? whe
Good Morning Dave,
I see.. This makes sense! So, you are seeking to augment meds with other
practices to find a better solution?
You don't mention whether or not you have tried different medications. I will
assume you have. I still suggest that you take a step back, first. You have
the
ED,
Whether meditation or medication is primary is for Dave to try and decide. We
cannot subsititute.
Anthony
--- On Mon, 3/1/11, ED wrote:
From: ED
Subject: [Zen] Re: Mindfulness pt 2
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 3 January, 2011, 3:32 PM
Anthony,
I second your re
Kristy,
>From what he has described so far, I sense that Dave has a strong 'self''. So
>does a person suffering from depression. But they go in the opposite
>directions. OCD tends to protect himself too much, while depression may want
>to solve the problem by eliminating himself.
Anthony
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Dave,
I got a wrong impression. If medication does not work, you may be taking a
wrong medicine. If helping others does not help yourself, you may be doing it
in a not too correct way psychologically. It is not a joke. Just keep trying.
Anthony
--- On Mon, 3/1/11, Dave P wrote:
From: Dav
But isn't the alternative staring at a clock?
I find myself never waiting for the gong. it usually just comes.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ
wrote:
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> Good Morning Dave P,
>
> Let me explain why "gong" or timer or any external devices are not
> recommend
Anthony,
Yes, indeed! I too assert by autonomy in such-like matters, after I have
heard from the best medical opinions available to me.
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote:
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> ED,
>
> Whether meditation or medication is primary is for Dave to try and
decide. We cannot
Just observe the expectancy and let it go? --ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming wrote:
>
> Good Morning Dave P,
>
> Let me explain why "gong" or timer or any external devices are not
> recommended for serious Chan practitioners.
>
> Because, when there is external depen
As every one said, Dave's course of action is up to him. However I find it
interesting that the suite of mindfulness based stress training has a study
showing OCD is a treatment that benefits from MBSR, which despite all the
loosey goosey stuff associated with the English term mindfulness is act
*chuckles*
Yep-- that was my experience as well when I started the practice, and was using
a similar CD. I simply never concerned myself with the time, as I knew when
the perod ended--I would hear a reminder. I think its all in one's
personality, and what such a device represents to the indi
For me, the bell timer is an indicator as to how much I was in to my
mediation. When the bell sounds and I am surprised that it is sounding so
soon, then that is a clue that I was present for my breathing and not for
other things.
Yes, there are times when my mind wanders off to the bell, wonderi
Hello Dave P,
Perhaps you can tell me what does "P" stand for. I felt quite impolite
to address you so.
You see, the most effective meditation need to "completely" rest all
external connections. So that our mind is "completely" at ease.
Stress the mind is the cause of the OCD.
And this
Hi JM,
Stress the mind is the cause of the OCD.
Please share why you believe this is true.
Thanks,
Kristy
Hi Kristy,
I know you meant well. So do I.
Instead of getting into scientific or medical discussion, why don't we
let Dave breathe for a month and see what happens. Unless you believe
breathing would make OCD worse?
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
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JM,
Gosh-- of course not. I think breath work is invaluable.. I teach it every
day in classes. I sense that you missed my point. I am truly curious why you
made the statement below. Clearly, you must have a reason. This isn't a
competition. Its a discussion group. If you resent the quest
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
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On Jan 3, 2011, at 17:52, Mark Perew wrote:
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>
> For me, the bell timer is an indicator as to how much I was in to my
> mediation. When the bell sounds and I am surprised that it is sounding so
> soon, then that is a clue that I was presen
Also, earlier link did not point to a relevant article.
Here is A better one:
http://lancashirecare.wordpress.com/2010/07/12/is-mindfulness-based-therapy-an-effective-intervention-for-obsessive-intrusive-thoughts-a-case-series/
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
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