I wasn't clear about the CD. it is by John Daido loori, and it is a gong followed by 10 minutes of silence completed by another gong.
--- In [email protected], Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.j...@...> wrote: > > Hi Dave P, > > Great. You are willing to give it a try. Here is the link to my > previous post on detailed instructions. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/21977 > > The following instructions are non-negotiable. > 1. Please don't use a CD. No music. No voice. Complete silence is > the only way to rest your over-stressed mind. > 2. Feel and sense the air passing into your nose, then throat, then > lunch then your belly. We called it, "follow the path of your breathing." > 3. Don't worry about the time, do as long as you can. 30 minutes is > better, but 10 minutes is fine too. Slowly learn to sit longer. Don't > worry if you failed to breath for ten minutes. Neither should you > expect to belly breathe for 30 minutes. Just sit quietly FOLLOW the > path of your breathing. > 4. You must commit to do it every day at same time and same place in > the morning before breakfast. Not while you are tired or agitated or upset. > > Let me know if you have any questions. Are my instructions clear? Can > you commit to do it for a minimum of 30 days? > > JM > > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > http://www.heartchan.org > > > On 1/2/2011 12:21 PM, Dave P wrote: > > > > > > 1) Is ten minutes okay? I ask because I already have a timed CD with a > > 10 minute zazen session. > > 2) I hope I don't come accross as distrustful of your suggestions! I > > have had problems with that on the OCD board. > > 3) I think I might have lost your instruction. I am aware of breathing > > from the diaphram, and have been doing that for about three years > > rather irregularly. > > > > I really hope this doesn't come off as distrustful! > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦â¢Ã§Â²Â¾Ã¦ËŽ <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > > > > > Dearest Dave, > > > > > > When we suffer, one of the symptoms is to be distrustful of every > > > suggestion, because we have been cheated continuously far too long. > > > Instead of questioning or thinking.... may I suggest.... > > > > > > If you could, please take fifteen minutes every day to do belly > > > breathing for 30 days at same time and same place by following my > > > instructions from my previous post. > > > > > > If you promise that you will commit to belly breathing for 30 days, I > > > will help by transmit the blessing of GuanYin Bodhisatva to you. > > > > > > Deal? > > > JM > > > > > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > > > http://www.heartchan.org > > > > > > > > > On 1/1/2011 9:39 AM, Dave P wrote: > > > > > > > > Here's another dillemma i've had. the idea that everything is under > > > > control, and the difference between that and choice. There is the > > > > phrase "pain is inevitable, suffering is optional." I think that > > there > > > > is truth in that, but I still feel that choosing to feel one may > > > > nmeans that you have to ACT. That your actions have consequences that > > > > you cannot control, a notion that paralyzes me. Can mindfulness help > > > > with that? If so, how? > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > Jue Miao Jing Ming - > > > > èæúÃ¥æââ¢Ã§Ã²Ã¾Ã¦ÃÅ"à ½ <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year Ed, > > > > > > > > > > Propose another word in place of "mindfulness" is a very challenging > > > > > task. Let me explain. > > > > > > > > > > In the practice and dealing with everyday life, we say "Be aware > > but > > > > not > > > > > attached to", "focus but not focusing", "observe but not > > observing", > > > > are > > > > > some of the terms we use while we translate from our Chinese text to > > > > > English. In other words, "sync to the universal wisdom at every > > moment, > > > > > and not be attached to the meaning of the phenomena." is the > > phrase we > > > > > need to represent with a single word. > > > > > > > > > > The most common general terms as a verb in the practice, we use > > are "be > > > > > aware", "sense", "feel", etc. i.e. "sense our breathing", "feel the > > > > > chakra". They are usually terms applying also to emotions, > > feelings as > > > > > well as our general overall well being, physical and spiritual. > > We can > > > > > not separate our "true feeling" from our body or mind. > > > > > > > > > > We are very careful not to consistently use the same word. > > Especially > > > > > the practice to "notice" the conditions of our body, mind and > > spirit, > > > > > could require different verb for a similar function. Chan teaching > > > > > requires flexibility. > > > > > > > > > > The purpose of Chan wordings are nothing but to wake up the > > > > > practitioner, and not to set a path or a rule to follow. After 5,000 > > > > > words, Diamond Sutra said only one thing, "Whatever you think it > > is, it > > > > > is not. It just is." > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps a lot of times, I am guilty in becoming lazy and just say, > > > > > "Shut up, Sit down and Stop thinking." > > > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > > > > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > > > > > http://www.heartchan.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/1/2011 7:37 AM, ED wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JM, > > > > > > > > > > > > What is your proposed definition of 'mindfulness'? > > > > > > > > > > > > --ED > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Jue Miao Jing Ming - > > > > ÃÆ'èÃâæÃâúÃÆ'ÃÂ¥Ãâæâââ¬Å¾Ã¢ÃÆ'çÃâòÃâþÃÆ'æÃâ¹Ã "Ãâ¦Ã½ > > > > > > <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you JDB. Indeed we also teach "emptiness of mind". > > > > > > > > > > > > Somehow the western Zen is stuck on the label of "mind" and > > would not > > > > > > let go.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ There is even a seminar about the small mind and > > big mind. > > > > > > Though all journeys lead to the same place. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mind" is too close to "thinking". It can be easily > > misunderstood and > > > > > > misinterpreted. > > > > > > > > > > > > We teach "empty your mind", "enhance your heart". And we > > continue to > > > > > > say "because heart is where we could unify our body, mind and > > spirit." > > > > > > > > > > > > Somehow, unify our body to the same physical structure as the > > > > universe > > > > > > is not emphasized in western Zen.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ Most of the reading > > that I have > > > > > > encountered with focuses mainly on the mind and its awareness, > > not on > > > > > > the body and little on the spirit.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ Though we constantly > > talked > > > > about > > > > > > body, mind and spirit, but in essence, they are one and > > > > inseparable.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ > > > > > > Just like the universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > In our school, awareness does not reside in the mind. > > Awareness is a > > > > > > function of our spirit, which reside in our heart.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ > > "Heart" is not > > > > > > the organic heart, but our "total well being", our "center" or > > > > > > "ONE".ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ Awareness enhancement helps us to be awakened to > > > > > > the > > > > Absolute > > > > > > Awareness of the universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings this post to another question. What does Zen say > > about > > > > our > > > > > > spirit? Our spiritual levels, our spiritual being, spiritual > > karma, > > > > > > the sixth, seventh and eighth consciousness? > > > > > > > > > > > > After several years with this forum, I have read little about > > > > these.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ > > > > > > In other words, to be enlightened, we need to surpass karmic > > > > hindrance > > > > > > of body, mind and spirit. We need to work on all three. > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, we are just imagining and hoping. > > > > > > > > > > > > On this New Year Day, I hope this post is not too > > objectionable to > > > > ALL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year and thank you for your patience and > > understanding for > > > > > > all the years. > > > > > > JMJM > > > > > > Head Teacher > > > > > > Order Of Chan > > > > > > > > > > > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > > > > > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > > > > > > http://www.heartchan.org > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/31/2010 10:12 PM, Rev. Joriki Dat Baker wrote: > > > > > >> ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ > > > > > >> Or the emptiness of mind. > > > > > >> I wonder if something similar could be said about mindfulness. > > > > > >> "Mindful" in the Western sense seems to be directing your > > attention > > > > > >> in one direction, However, maybe a better translation is "mind > > > > > >> fullness," as in you experience everything with the fullness > > of your > > > > > >> mind. Or am I way off here?Ãâà> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! 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