I wasn't clear about the CD. it is by John Daido loori, and it is a gong 
followed by 10 minutes of silence completed by another gong. 


--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
<chan.j...@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave P,
> 
> Great.  You are willing to give it a try.  Here is the link to my 
> previous post on detailed instructions. 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/21977
> 
> The following instructions are non-negotiable.
> 1.  Please don't use a CD.  No music.  No voice.  Complete silence is 
> the only way to rest your over-stressed mind.
> 2.  Feel and sense the air passing into your nose, then throat, then 
> lunch then your belly.  We called it, "follow the path of your breathing."
> 3.  Don't worry about the time, do as long as you can.  30 minutes is 
> better, but 10 minutes is fine too.  Slowly learn to sit longer.  Don't 
> worry if you failed to breath for ten minutes.  Neither should you 
> expect to belly breathe for 30 minutes.  Just sit quietly FOLLOW the 
> path of your breathing.
> 4.  You must commit to do it every day at same time and same place in 
> the morning before breakfast.  Not while you are tired or agitated or upset.
> 
> Let me know if you have any questions.  Are my instructions clear?  Can 
> you commit to do it for a minimum of 30 days?
> 
> JM
> 
> 
> Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> http://www.heartchan.org
> 
> 
> On 1/2/2011 12:21 PM, Dave P wrote:
> >
> >
> > 1) Is ten minutes okay? I ask because I already have a timed CD with a 
> > 10 minute zazen session.
> > 2) I hope I don't come accross as distrustful of your suggestions! I 
> > have had problems with that on the OCD board.
> > 3) I think I might have lost your instruction. I am aware of breathing 
> > from the diaphram, and have been doing that for about three years 
> > rather irregularly.
> >
> > I really hope this doesn't come off as distrustful!
> >
> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, 
> > Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dearest Dave,
> > >
> > > When we suffer, one of the symptoms is to be distrustful of every
> > > suggestion, because we have been cheated continuously far too long.
> > > Instead of questioning or thinking.... may I suggest....
> > >
> > > If you could, please take fifteen minutes every day to do belly
> > > breathing for 30 days at same time and same place by following my
> > > instructions from my previous post.
> > >
> > > If you promise that you will commit to belly breathing for 30 days, I
> > > will help by transmit the blessing of GuanYin Bodhisatva to you.
> > >
> > > Deal?
> > > JM
> > >
> > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> > > http://www.heartchan.org
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/1/2011 9:39 AM, Dave P wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Here's another dillemma i've had. the idea that everything is under
> > > > control, and the difference between that and choice. There is the
> > > > phrase "pain is inevitable, suffering is optional." I think that 
> > there
> > > > is truth in that, but I still feel that choosing to feel one may
> > > > nmeans that you have to ACT. That your actions have consequences that
> > > > you cannot control, a notion that paralyzes me. Can mindfulness help
> > > > with that? If so, how?
> > > >
> > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > Jue Miao Jing Ming - 
> > > > 覺妙精æËÅ"Ž <chan.jmjm@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Happy New Year Ed,
> > > > >
> > > > > Propose another word in place of "mindfulness" is a very challenging
> > > > > task. Let me explain.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the practice and dealing with everyday life, we say "Be aware 
> > but
> > > > not
> > > > > attached to", "focus but not focusing", "observe but not 
> > observing",
> > > > are
> > > > > some of the terms we use while we translate from our Chinese text to
> > > > > English. In other words, "sync to the universal wisdom at every 
> > moment,
> > > > > and not be attached to the meaning of the phenomena." is the 
> > phrase we
> > > > > need to represent with a single word.
> > > > >
> > > > > The most common general terms as a verb in the practice, we use 
> > are "be
> > > > > aware", "sense", "feel", etc. i.e. "sense our breathing", "feel the
> > > > > chakra". They are usually terms applying also to emotions, 
> > feelings as
> > > > > well as our general overall well being, physical and spiritual. 
> > We can
> > > > > not separate our "true feeling" from our body or mind.
> > > > >
> > > > > We are very careful not to consistently use the same word. 
> > Especially
> > > > > the practice to "notice" the conditions of our body, mind and 
> > spirit,
> > > > > could require different verb for a similar function. Chan teaching
> > > > > requires flexibility.
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of Chan wordings are nothing but to wake up the
> > > > > practitioner, and not to set a path or a rule to follow. After 5,000
> > > > > words, Diamond Sutra said only one thing, "Whatever you think it 
> > is, it
> > > > > is not. It just is."
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps a lot of times, I am guilty in becoming lazy and just say,
> > > > > "Shut up, Sit down and Stop thinking."
> > > > > LOL.
> > > > >
> > > > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> > > > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> > > > > http://www.heartchan.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 1/1/2011 7:37 AM, ED wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JM,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is your proposed definition of 'mindfulness'?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --ED
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Jue Miao Jing Ming -
> > > > ÃÆ'¨Â¦ÂºÃÆ'¥Â¦â„¢ÃÆ'§Â²Â¾ÃÆ'¦ËÅ"Ž
> > > > > > <chan.jmjm@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you JDB. Indeed we also teach "emptiness of mind".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Somehow the western Zen is stuck on the label of "mind" and 
> > would not
> > > > > > let go.ÃÆ'‚ There is even a seminar about the small mind and 
> > big mind.
> > > > > > Though all journeys lead to the same place.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mind" is too close to "thinking". It can be easily 
> > misunderstood and
> > > > > > misinterpreted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We teach "empty your mind", "enhance your heart". And we 
> > continue to
> > > > > > say "because heart is where we could unify our body, mind and 
> > spirit."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Somehow, unify our body to the same physical structure as the
> > > > universe
> > > > > > is not emphasized in western Zen.ÃÆ'‚ Most of the reading 
> > that I have
> > > > > > encountered with focuses mainly on the mind and its awareness, 
> > not on
> > > > > > the body and little on the spirit.ÃÆ'‚ Though we constantly 
> > talked
> > > > about
> > > > > > body, mind and spirit, but in essence, they are one and
> > > > inseparable.ÃÆ'‚
> > > > > > Just like the universe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In our school, awareness does not reside in the mind. 
> > Awareness is a
> > > > > > function of our spirit, which reside in our heart.ÃÆ'‚ 
> > "Heart" is not
> > > > > > the organic heart, but our "total well being", our "center" or
> > > > > > "ONE".ÃÆ'‚ Awareness enhancement helps us to be awakened to 
> > > > > > the
> > > > Absolute
> > > > > > Awareness of the universe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This brings this post to another question. What does Zen say 
> > about
> > > > our
> > > > > > spirit? Our spiritual levels, our spiritual being, spiritual 
> > karma,
> > > > > > the sixth, seventh and eighth consciousness?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After several years with this forum, I have read little about
> > > > these.ÃÆ'‚
> > > > > > In other words, to be enlightened, we need to surpass karmic
> > > > hindrance
> > > > > > of body, mind and spirit. We need to work on all three.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Otherwise, we are just imagining and hoping.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On this New Year Day, I hope this post is not too 
> > objectionable to
> > > > ALL.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Happy New Year and thank you for your patience and 
> > understanding for
> > > > > > all the years.
> > > > > > JMJM
> > > > > > Head Teacher
> > > > > > Order Of Chan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> > > > > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> > > > > > http://www.heartchan.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 12/31/2010 10:12 PM, Rev. Joriki Dat Baker wrote:
> > > > > >> ÃÆ'‚
> > > > > >> Or the emptiness of mind.
> > > > > >> I wonder if something similar could be said about mindfulness.
> > > > > >> "Mindful" in the Western sense seems to be directing your 
> > attention
> > > > > >> in one direction, However, maybe a better translation is "mind
> > > > > >> fullness," as in you experience everything with the fullness 
> > of your
> > > > > >> mind. Or am I way off here?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>




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