Re: [ZION] Temperature conversion chart

2002-12-02 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 09:58 PM 12/1/02 -0800, Stacy Smith wrote: How do I decrease my sensitivity to cold? Wear a sweater. Always glad to help, --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle

Re: [ZION] Temperature conversion chart

2002-12-02 Thread Wayne and Sandra Riner
Take cayenne pepper capsules, it will really help plus it is a good source of vit C and is good for you, if you have cold feet sprinkle some in your shoes just make sure you have socks on so it doesn`t get on your feet, it will burn them. Sandra How do I decrease my sensitivity to cold?

RE: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-02 Thread Chet
Stacy Smith wrote: To add to this perspective, how many people who claim to be true Christians: 1. Visit the sick. Regularly. Of course, some of them weren't sick before I arrived. 2. Visit people in prison. I visit people in political office and members of the Southern Baptist

[ZION] Celestial Show

2002-12-02 Thread Gary Smith
Are you sure this meteor wasn't just John Redelfs trying to get across Canada prior to being caught with an expired driving insurance and pass? K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person

[ZION] Lewis on Liberty

2002-12-02 Thread Gary Smith
Gee, I thought Jerry Lewis was only big in France, where liberty is not that big a thing K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

2002-12-02 Thread Gary Smith
I dunno, Marc. You claim that Canuckles have the market cornered on hysterics and going overboard and such, but Stephen Beecroft sure is right up there with the best I've seen come from the Great White North. Perhaps you could grant him honorary Canuckle status and maybe give him a job in

[ZION] comparing rebellions

2002-12-02 Thread Gary Smith
Let's see, Paul studies ancient Egyptian stuff, while Jon owns an LDS bookstore Yep, I'd say Paul is more rebellious than Jon. Now, if Jon sells copies of Orson Scott Card's new book (recently banned from Deseret Book's shelves), THEN we'll consider him in the running. K'aya K'ama,

[ZION] Celestial show

2002-12-02 Thread Gary Smith
One of the neatest meteors I've ever seen was in 1985 in Korea. I was guarding my post, watching the sky to ensure no one was parachuting in from the north, I saw a meteor streak across the sky, break into two, then watched the twin meteors in parallel zip across the sky for another several

Re: [ZION] Paul's dad

2002-12-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 22:12 11/28/2002 -0500, St Jon wrote: Did I read this correctly? Did you say that denying yourself the blessings of the temple IS the way to face problems? No, you're supposed to read what I MEANT, not what I wrote. Till the getting confuseder

[ZION] True Christians

2002-12-02 Thread Gary Smith
I recall Joseph Smith having a vision (could it be in DC 137?), where he sees his non-baptized brother Alvin in the Celestial Kingdom. Alvin is obviously considered a 'true Christian' even though he has not yet been baptized. I would imagine that this largesse by Christ would be given to others,

[ZION] Temperature conversion chart

2002-12-02 Thread Gary Smith
Try daily baths in ice. After a while, it won't seem so bad out of doors (or out of the tub). K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[ZION] True Christians

2002-12-02 Thread Gary Smith
I guess the meaning of a true Christian depends on one's definition. Does true Christian mean one who understands and accepts and acts righteously on all the things Christ teaches to the smallest minutiae? If so, then NONE of us are true Christians, even in the LDS Church, except Jesus himself.

[ZION] Your ignorance makes you look silly

2002-12-02 Thread Gary Smith
Perhaps it would be easier if we handed out a 'silly and ignorant' (or if in Utah, ignernt) sign. When someone does something that is either silly or ignernt (or both), we just simply hand them a sign to wear. That way their ignorance and silliness will be readily apparent for those of us who are

RE: [ZION] Comparing Rebellions

2002-12-02 Thread Larry Jackson
Gary Smith: ... Orson Scott Card's new book (recently banned from Deseret Book's shelves), ... ___ Are you referring to the new novel by Richard Paul Evans, or did Scott get one banned, also? Larry Jackson

RE: [ZION] Temperature conversion chart

2002-12-02 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stacy- How do I decrease my sensitivity to cold? Convert to Celsius. If you find yourself getting cold at a mere 59 degrees Farenheit, for example, people will laugh and mock and point their finger at you and call you various unpleasant names, like weenie or pansy-girl or Gary Smith. But if

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: If we only go by that definition, then those living up to the only light they know and following Christ all the way to the best of their ability cannot be considered Christians. I think I'd have a problem with that. Can they go to the

RE: [ZION] LDS Writer Expects to Be Excommunicated

2002-12-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Jim Cobabe favored us with: Not really anything new here. Just more evil detractors continuing the attempt to dilute and de-emphasise sacred doctrines of the Church, so that it becomes indistinguishable from other corrupt sects. It is becoming quite respectable in the

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: To add to this perspective, how many people who claim to be true Christians: 1. Visit the sick. 2. Visit people in prison. 3. When they have a feast they invite the halt, lame and the blind. I have met many saints who do these things.

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: Maybe someday I can become a true Christian in John's definition. Until then, I'm glad that Christ accepts me with all the shades of gray and excess baggage I carry with me. You are already a true Christian by my definition. You follow Christ,

[ZION] Poetry List

2002-12-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
Hey Tom, how do I sign up for your poetry list? // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

[ZION] Saving My Head

2002-12-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
For a number of years I have wanted to shave my head, but Esperanza says no. Yesterday she made a major concession. She says that if I get my weight down to 250 lbs. she will let me shave my head. Hurrah! Of course that means that I'll have to shed 86 lbs. I don't think Esperanza is too

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: So, before any of us less than perfect people try to proclaim such a strong statement as some have given, how about defining just which one of these definitions you are using. Otherwise, you are painting with a very broad brush against those who

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: I recall Joseph Smith having a vision (could it be in DC 137?), where he sees his non-baptized brother Alvin in the Celestial Kingdom. Alvin is obviously considered a 'true Christian' even though he has not yet been baptized. Alvin was was most

Re: [ZION] Revisionist History

2002-12-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: Thanks for digging this up. Midgley does not think much of the new historians, and has taken Murphy to task for his paper. If you read the paper, you'll see that he refers to papers Midgley wrote about the Church in New Zealand, but

Re: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

2002-12-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Gary Smith wrote: I dunno, Marc. You claim that Canuckles have the market cornered on hysterics and going overboard and such, but Stephen Beecroft sure is right up there with the best I've seen come from the Great White North. That was the point of my sarcasm. Perhaps you could grant him

Re: [ZION] From Ýstanbul with love

2002-12-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
There are 4 branches there which are part of either the Greece Athens or the Bulgaria Sofia Mission (I'm not sure which, but will know soon). This particular fellow emailed FAIR a year or so ago, asking for some apologetics help. I sent him my son's copy of Guess Who Wants You for Lunch and

RE: [ZION] From Ýstanbul with love

2002-12-02 Thread Geoff FOWLER
A Mormon Armenian in Turkey? I wonder if most of the members there are either ex-Pats or other Christian peoples, as opposed to Turks. Although, thanks to Ataturk, it should be easier for the Church in Turkey than in most other Islamic nations. Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/29/02 10:04PM Dear

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I honestly don't know. I believe baptism is required -- this is what we are taught. But I don't claim to know all of God's ways, just that He is just and He is merciful. Whatever that might end up meaning. I'm also reminded not to be too judgemental by the parable of the labourers who were hired

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

2002-12-02 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- A customer is not in any way responsible for what one of its subcontractors say unless it is in the context of both of them acting together. -Stephen- So then, why do you bother including the disclaimer at the end of each of your posts? -Marc- I don't follow you. I don't have any

RE: [ZION] Poetry List

2002-12-02 Thread Tom Matkin
I'll send you an invitation through Topica. The rhyming URL that I prefer is http://rhyme.lycos.com/r/rhyme.cgi?Word=questtypeofrhyme=perfectorg1=s ylorg2=l It's also a useful (but not too detailed) dictionary, thesaurus with a lot of features. If you have broadband it's really slick, with dial

Re: [ZION] Celestial show

2002-12-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
You can also see Alpha Centauri only from the southern regions, a multiple star system which includes Proxima Centauri, the closest star to our solar system. I remember feeling very out of place the very first time I went to the southern hemisphere. It was a trip to South America, and I got very

Re: [ZION] Lewis on Liberty

2002-12-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
As in Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité? Gary Smith wrote: Gee, I thought Jerry Lewis was only big in France, where liberty is not that big a thing K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as

Re: [ZION] comparing rebellions

2002-12-02 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Which book was that? I had heard that his other books on OT women were a bit racy... but I have not read them myself. Have they been banned too? BTW, I have read most of the Ender's Game series (although I have to admit that the newest editions are a little too violent and graphic for me).

Re: [ZION] Saving My Head

2002-12-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 20:47 12/2/2002 -0900, you wrote: John, I think your clock is 12 hours ahead of you. Sure messes up my sorting! Till the fussbudget // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

[ZION] Christmas devotional

2002-12-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
There's no transcript available on lds.org yet, but here's a brief overview of the Christmas devotional by Pres. Faust and Pres. Hinckley: http://www.sltrib.com/12022002/utah/7503.htm -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland “Man will occasionally

Re: [ZION] From Ýstanbul with love

2002-12-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I wouldn't read anything into the fact that he's Armenian. It's just that he has an Armenian name. But he considers himself a Turk -- Anatolia is not 100% homogeneous, but includes Greeks, Armenians, Kurds and some others, besides real Turks. There is no official missionary work there but there

Re: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

2002-12-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Stephen Beecroft wrote: -Marc- A customer is not in any way responsible for what one of its subcontractors say unless it is in the context of both of them acting together. -Stephen- So then, why do you bother including the disclaimer at the end of each of your posts? -Marc- I

Re: [ZION] Revisionist History

2002-12-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Not as much as they'd like to. This is being discussed on the FAIR list now, in fact, and there's a general feeling that this kind of thing -- the Murphy paper -- needs to be addressed. FAIR's problem is that it's just an informal bunch of amateurs who do what we can on our own time. John W.

Re: [ZION] Just how can we serve?

2002-12-02 Thread Scott McGee
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:23:37 -0500, Elmer L. Fairbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ELF tells of meeting a stranded cold coed and trying to help her, then adds: ** My daughter called me from the Atlanta airport this summer in a similar state. She was tired, sick and hungry, coming back from

RE: [ZION] Saving My Head

2002-12-02 Thread Tom Matkin
Offer to let her shave your head. I can't guarantee that will save your head, but it might be a start. Letting her in on the act might just be the ticket. BTW I understand that some people have mild or worse allergies to their own hair. Maybe I read that in the National Inquiring Midnight Star

RE: [ZION] Saving My Head

2002-12-02 Thread Tom Matkin
I advised freely: And you can always get some of that spray to make the bald spot disappear. Suggest to Esperanza that she could get you some for Christmas. Then you would have no fear of sitting down in a public place. http://www.folica.com/cosmetics/topcoverage.htm Hey, I just looked

RE: [ZION] Shaving My Head

2002-12-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Tom Matkin favored us with: And you can always get some of that spray to make the bald spot disappear. Suggest to Esperanza that she could get you some for Christmas. Then you would have no fear of sitting down in a public place. I just had a thought. Maybe I should just

RE: [ZION] Shaving My Head WAS Saving My Head

2002-12-02 Thread Tom Matkin
JWR explained: The military really drilled me into the prejudice that a man should be covered only while outdoors I have sometimes wondered where that prejudice came from. If you get 15 or more men sitting around a table at Stake PEC and someone drops the idea that some of the youth have been

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

2002-12-02 Thread larry . jackson
Marc A. Schindler: Neither you nor Jim seem to want to respond to my direct requests to admit that you were wrong. Larry Jackson: Perhaps that is because they disagree with your assessment. Marc: No one has to be perfect -- we've all made mistakes in remembering or interpreting things.

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

2002-12-02 Thread larry . jackson
Stephen Beecroft: All Hail Marc Schindler, The Wise, Compassionate, and Darned-Near All-Knowing! ___ I don't know, Stephen. Do you think Marc will ever be able to forgive you for leaving in the Darned-Near part? [grin] Larry Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]