I think you have a Pollyanna view of Prophets and their role. In 1959,
at
President McKay's request, [then] Elder Ezra Taft Benson welcomed and
shook
hands with the butcher of the Ukraine, Nikita Kruschev. More recently,
at
the Polynesian Cultural Center in Hawaii, Church leaders met with some
The Lord's priesthood has a mission to perform for liberty-loving people
everywhere. We cannot, any more than Jonah of old, run away from our
calling. (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 620; italics added.)
I'm not running away. I'm just not going to get involved with politics. I
don't
Noticed someone used a term that is a pet peeve of mine. Technically, the
term irregardless is bad grammar. To be grammatically correct, you can
use: irregarding or regardless. The IR and the less cancel each
other out, kind of a double negative.
K'aya K'ama,
Gerald/gary Smithgszion1
Wait a minute Capt Moroni lived under the Mosaic Law. Surely that
command is what would apply to him. Besides, just because Christ
fulfilled the Mosaic Law, does not mean he totally supplanted it. There
are many things in the Law of Moses we still abide by: Ten Commandments,
for instance.
I grant you your right to oppose foreign powers from interfering in
another nation. But then, perhaps Canada should withdraw from the United
Nations, as they seem to be in a bunch of nations right now, with
Canadian forces
If you may recall, we didn't come originally into this position out
Thanks Steven for the quotes from Pres Benson on the secret combinations.
Now, if we look at his overall writings on the subject, he primarily
meant communism as that secret combination. He saw many in our own nation
who had leftist leanings, and saw that as the downfall of our nation. You
will
Noticed someone used a term that is a pet peeve of mine. Technically,
the
term irregardless is bad grammar. To be grammatically correct, you can
use: irregarding or regardless. The IR and the less cancel each
other out, kind of a double negative.
Well, its listed in Websters.
Paul O
[EMAIL
After careful consideration, Gary Smith wrote:
As I mentioned in a previous post, Capt Moroni was involved in pre-emptive
attacks.
Captain Moroni's pre-emptive attacks were in the context of an ongoing
war. I don't believe he ever attacked the Lamanites or the Gadiantons
during a time of
After careful consideration, Steven Montgomery wrote:
At 07:46 AM 10/15/2002, Paul wrote:
Well, you know me--I'm NOT into conspiracy theories at all. Wasn't it so
that Elder Benson was all alone in his campaign or which of the other
apostles stood by his side and declared the same message? You
After careful consideration, Paul Osborne wrote:
Generalizations were made and we are reminded not to mix ourselves with
Babylon. I feel the prophets should protect the saints and if they are
inclined to muster a rebellion with the government--fine. Just count me out.
Who said anything about
After careful consideration, Paul Osborne wrote:
Nope. And neither was the President of the United States. Prophets don't
shake hands with murderers. Let that be a SIGN to you.
This is not any doctrine I've ever heard. Did King Ahaz ever shake the
hand of Elijah? I'll bet he did. Did
After careful consideration, Paul Osborne wrote:
People are going to interpret the fight for freedom differently and how
it might apply to their own lives. Irregardless, I'm staying out of the
fight. And God can do with me according to his judgment, and I know that
his judgements are just and
At 14:57 10/15/2002 -0400, mean ol' Jon wrote:
Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8))
No. You want a ward? You really want to be a Bishop? You think you're
tired now
Noo, n, no whine, whine
Till (Where's the Tam when we really
At 15:03 10/15/2002 -0400, Jon the confused wrote:
Opps! You are a Bishop now, aren't you? Well, you say you want another
ward? You're wacko!
Jon
Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8))
No. You want a ward? You really want to be a Bishop? You think you're
Nobody don't no longer care about good grammar no more.
It bugs me to no end that the ads on TV are full of incorrect grammar. I
suppose they do it so as to appeal to the common man or some other such
stupidity.
Exactly how hard is it to use an adverb where it belongs, rather than using
an
Dictionaries are simply compendiums of common usage; they are not
authoritative, unless you are playing Scrabble. Ain't is in the
dictionary. So what?
Jon
Paul Osborne wrote:
Noticed someone used a term that is a pet peeve of mine. Technically,
the
term irregardless is bad grammar. To be
I would do a complete flip-flop on war with Iraq if the Lord commanded
us. But to the best of my knowledge he has not, has he? --JWR
You need not be commanded in all things. Some things are obvious! :-)
Jon
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John -
Surely you miswrote! Are you trying to say that the Nephites were at war
with terrorists (the Gadiantons)? Or are you saying that the only time the
Nephites struck out at the Gadiantons was when the Lamanites were also
attacking the Nephites?
If so, then its back to the Book of Mormon
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:47:57 -0500, Valerie Nielsen Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:49:58 -0400 Jon Spencer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My wife just received a letter from Church Distribution to our
bookstore
outlining the changes in their scripture lines. There
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:22:48 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8))
Till, Scott is tired too. However, should you feel it worth calling an
award, I consider you my friend and that is not an award I hand out
often or
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:49:04 -0500, Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
Paul I think when Clinton became President of the US that made
everything he
did my business. I also feel that being president he had the
responsibility
to be a good example to me my children and especially my
The Lord explicitly says that if we follow his conditions he'll fight our wars
for us.
Jon Spencer wrote:
I would do a complete flip-flop on war with Iraq if the Lord commanded
us. But to the best of my knowledge he has not, has he? --JWR
You need not be commanded in all things. Some
After careful consideration, Wayne and Sandra Riner wrote:
Well I have 16 and they are the light of my life, I know us southern girls
do get married young but look at the blessings{: I`m only 2 years older
then you John.
You're making me jealous. grin BTW Elder Riner was transferred about a
After careful consideration, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
The *only* incident of violence I can think of that accompanied the fall
of the
Wall was the throwing out of and the subsequent brutal execution of the
Ceausecu's in Romania.
This is why I don't really believe that communism fell in Russia.
At 12:58 10/16/2002 -0500, Paul O wrote:
I would not knowingly shake hands with a murderous unrepentant Gadianton,
and that is *my* doctrine. Would you shake hands with a Gadianton robber?
I'm very very curious to know the answer to this one. hee hee hee ;-))
Shaking of hands has some
After careful consideration, Scott McGee wrote:
I agree that some things were obvious. This, for me, was not one of them,
until one of the Lord's spokesmen told us in conference that we were to
be peacemakers. I beleived him and now, to me, it is obvious. We should
NOT be making war on Iraq.
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:28:47 -0500, Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
Why would it be illegal for Clinton to have an affair in his office? For
all we know his wife was there too!
First off, it is against the laws of God and the laws (sadly unenforced)
of many states to commit adultery. If
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:00:46 -0800, John W. Redelfs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
After careful consideration, Scott McGee wrote:
I agree that some things were obvious. This, for me, was not one of them,
until one of the Lord's spokesmen told us in conference that we were to
be peacemakers. I
I don't believe it was LBJ who got the US into Vietnam -- but rather JFK.
John W. Redelfs wrote:
After careful consideration, Gary Smith wrote:
I'm no Nixon fan, but actually his goal was to get us OUT of Vietnam
(which LBJ got us heavily into) with Honor.
I don't believe this. Do you
Hooking his fingers under his armpits and swelling out. Well, I'm only 48 and
have 1 grand-daughter and another grandchild on the way. For a while, in fact,
until my own grandmother passed away this last April, my grand-daughter had a
great-great-grandmother (they met on several occasions and we
John:
We seem to forget that only a generation ago we would not have elected a
divorced man, much less a man who is unfaithful to his wife. Ronald Reagan
was the first President that was divorced.
Dan:
Didn't that divorce take place _many_ years before he was elected though?
John:
In my
Scott McGee wrote:
Mark, Marc, and John,
Let me ask you a questions. I accept that our government is sufficiently
controlled by gadiantons that I have no real voice it. I see no way to
elect a truly worthy candidate now.
My question, then, is what is the answer? As far as I can see,
I'm sure he does. But I was just repeating the promise as written.
Jon Spencer wrote:
Marc A. Schindler wrote:
DC states clearly that if we follow his conditions, he'll fight out
battles for
us.
Doesn't God do most of His work through us?
Jon
--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove,
John W. Redelfs wrote:
After careful consideration, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
UN peacekeeping forces are never in a country unless they've been invited in.
Invited in by whom? These nations aren't democracies.
By the two sides. The way it was originally designed, both sides of a conflict
Marc:
I don't believe it was LBJ who got the US into Vietnam -- but rather JFK.
Dan:
Right. There were approximately 17,000 US troops in Vietnam by the end of
'63, mostly in either advisory or combat support roles.
But LBJ definitely escalated that war, first with the Gulf of Tonkin issue,
We're pretty sure Abraham shook hands (or the cultural equivalent) with the
Pharaoh of his day. In fact, I even believe ETB, as Secretary of Agriculture,
shook hands with Khrushchev while showing him the bounty that was possible (on
mid-Western farms) under the democratic system of agriculture.
Gorbachev makes a living giving speeches, mostly in North America and Europe. (He
was in Calgary last year, as a matter of fact).
John W. Redelfs wrote:
After careful consideration, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
The *only* incident of violence I can think of that accompanied the fall
of the
Wall
OK people, no more sex talk. It is a charter violation. I'll stop if you
will. --JWR
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After careful consideration, Stephen Beecroft wrote:
Wow. NATO, led by the US, no doubt, decided out of a clear blue sky to
station some missiles in Turkey. No history to that action, of course.
Just a sudden, impulsive decision by those imperialistic westerners
against the poor, oppressed Soviet
-John-
I just love your sarcasm, Stephen. In this case I'm sure we would
agree. --JWR
Actually, I don't love my own sarcasm. What comes out of my fingertips
sounding silly and a bit over-the-top to me ends up seeming much more
acidic and unpleasant than intended. You'd think I would learn
But that's not the real issue; the issue is that he stood before the
camera
and lied to us, then stood before a grand jury and lied to them about
that
affair. That's why he was impeached.
It was an evil investigation brought on by the Gadianton Media. And sorry
to say the people of this country
Most of businesses in this country have policies against employees...
The White HOUSE is also for the President to manage his own personal
affairs. That is where he lives. It seems that some people on this list
don't believe in the right of privacy but think they OWN the lives of
government
All be if you were to do a study you would learn that
the so-called conspiracy theorists are a lot more likely to have a years
supply of food that the average active member. They vote differently
too,
so they will not have nearly as much to answer for when they stand
before
the Judge.
The placement of U.S. Missiles in Turkey. At least that's the pat answer
the leftists always give. This answer however, is similar to the one given
for taking over the countries of eastern Europe--that they needed buffer
states to prevent against western aggression and hides the fact that the
After careful consideration, Stephen Beecroft wrote:
Actually, I don't love my own sarcasm. What comes out of my fingertips
sounding silly and a bit over-the-top to me ends up seeming much more
acidic and unpleasant than intended. You'd think I would learn to avoid
sarcasm, since I can't seem to
At 09:02 PM 10/16/2002, you wrote:
After careful consideration, Stephen Beecroft wrote:
Actually, I don't love my own sarcasm. What comes out of my fingertips
sounding silly and a bit over-the-top to me ends up seeming much more
acidic and unpleasant than intended. You'd think I would learn to
After careful consideration, Paul Osborne wrote:
The White HOUSE is also for the President to manage his own personal
affairs. That is where he lives. It seems that some people on this list
don't believe in the right of privacy but think they OWN the lives of
government leaders lock, stock,
I don't think it means other saints aren't inspired. They just have
different gifts. Seeing a sinister pattern in current events is
apparently
not one of them. No problem. They are strong in other areas. And we
who
can clearly see these things have other areas where we are
blind.
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