On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:29:45 -0500 "Ronn! Blankenship"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Paul, maybe you should consider carrying around one of those big
> squirt
> bottle of that anti-bacterial hand gel and use it every time
> immediately
> after you shake someone's hand . . . and hope you never get cal
Hey Jeff, the 70's are over, man. I'm a good boy now days. ;-)
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:15:24 -0600 Jeffrey Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Maybe LSD causes a hand shaking/germ phobia. I know it can cause
> hallucinations and such.
>
> --Jeff.
>
> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/20/2003 10:40:57 A
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:05:08 + Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>
> My hand shakes a lot too.
>
> Whadda ya think we oughta do about it?
Stop spreading your nasty germs, Jimmyboy. ;-))
Did you know that I actually packed two cans of lysol spray on my mission
to London England!? No k
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 05:45:39 -0500 "Ronn! Blankenship"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> At 04:45 AM 6/21/03 -0500, Paul Osborne wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:05:08 + Jim Cobabe
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >writes:
> > >
> > > My ha
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:11:16 -0700 Rick Mathis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Now there are some definite advantages to a solid LDS heritage, and
> the
> righteousness of ancestors results in blessings that last through
> generations, but when you get down to brass tacks, all the righteous
>
>
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:06:02 -0600 Steven Montgomery
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> You ought to be even more grateful then that the mid-eastern
> tradition of
> greeting is not followed then.
Why? What do they do?
Paul O
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:12:56 -0600 Steven Montgomery
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>
> The Holy (Or, I suppose unholy, depending on who is performing the
> action)
> Kiss: Luke 22: 47-48, and then Romans 16:16, 1 Cor. 16: 20, 2 Cor.
> 13: 12,
> 1 Thess. 5: 26, and finally 1 Peter 5: 14.
This i
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:21:49 -0500 "Ronn! Blankenship"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Kiss: Luke 22: 47-48, and then Romans 16:16, 1 Cor. 16: 20, 2
> Cor.
> > > 13: 12,
> > > 1 Thess. 5: 26, and finally 1 Peter 5: 14.
> >
> >
> >This is a charter violation. ;-)
>
>
>
> Quoting scripture?
That's
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:35:22 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Paul, you can get bottles of the anti-bacterial stuff that is the
> right
> size for your pocket or your wife's handbag, and they have a flip
> top.
> Either that, or you can carry around those individually-wrapped
> anti-bacterial
Me too, Heidi.
Paul O
On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:47:32 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I am a big believer in hand washing. That might have something to do
> with
> the fact that my mother is a nurse. Anyhoo...I've spent a lot of
> time
> around children that aren't my own, and I rarely get si
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 04:11:31 -0700 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> What are we supposed to do about temple workers' hands? Are we to
> ask if
> they have washed them?
>
> Stacy.
It's just down right dirty, nasty, and germy. There just doesn't seem to
be a way out of it. H. Oh
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:17:00 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Oh, I don't know, Paul. I'm pretty particular, I suppose, but I just
> don't
> worry about making hand contact with the temple workers. Especially
> when
> it pertains to performing ordinances, I just feel like the Lord
> will
> p
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:05:31 -0600 Steven Montgomery
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> At 08:14 AM 6/24/2003, you wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:17:00 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > Oh, I don't know, Paul. I'm pretty particular, I suppose, but I
> just
> > > don't
> > > worry about makin
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:54:56 -0600 George Cobabe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Boy o Boy - talking about whether or not to shake hands for fear of
> illness
> and death makes a lot more sense than talking about doctrinal or
> news
> topics.
>
> What a lot of nonsense - I keep waiting for the pu
I like Coca-Cola and will continue to drink it up at will. I don't care
what the personal preferences of the General Authorities are when it
comes to choosing beverages.
Hey, I'm me. I do what I want to do.
Paul O
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:24:33 -0700 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Are we prohibited from owning stock in Coca Cola?
>
> Stacy.
Absolutely not. Drink up!
Paul O
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The best thing to hit the internet in y
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:33:21 + Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>
> Well, Paul, I prefer Mountain Dew. It isn't Coke, so I can still
> claim
> to be holier-than-thou! ;-)
>
> At least those of us who are painfully honest about our bad habits
> can
> admit that we only like these
Heidi,
On the hallowed language issue-- you can lead a horse to water but you
can't make him drink. The General Authorities have constantly tried to
tell the Church to use the appropriate language. There is usually a
conference talk on this subject at least every few years. But these
members just
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 06:53:08 -0800 "John W. Redelfs"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Noel B favored us with:
> >For an answer I would have to look to God and the prophet. When I
> listen
> >to President Hinckley, I hear a very positive message. I have to
> assume
> >that each one of us must seek
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:12:11 -0600 Steven Montgomery
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> At 10:44 AM 7/12/2003, Paul wrote:
>
> >John,
> >
> >President Bensen is dead. What he said has no bearing anymore
> regarding
> >the direction and present condition of the Church, let alone the
> future
> >direc
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:41:16 -0800 "John W. Redelfs"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 7. Attention to all family duties such as regular family prayer,
> Family
> Home Evening, food storage, genealogy and scripture study, etc.
> 8. True charity towards ones fellow man including generous Fast
> Offering
<>
I don't agree with you George. Life can be a nightmare. Father in Heaven
is loving but he also very mean.
Paul O
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FAS
Way cool, Jon.
Thanks for sharing,
Paul O
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:00:56 -0400 Jon Spencer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Today, I was privileged to participate in the conferring of the keys
> for the
> president of the Deacons Quorum on my younger son. My older son is
> currently the 1st Assista
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:15:03 -0800 "John W. Redelfs"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> What about you all? Have any of you seen a good movie lately? I
> buy a
> couple of DVDs every month, and I'm always looking for something
> good that
> I have overlooked.
Oh yes! I recently got the new double DVD
On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:10:36 -0400 Scott McGee
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Paul Osborne wrote:
>
> >< does
> >not
> >seem like a loving Father at all. I think that this life is a
> wonderful
> >experience and every challenge only adds to the fun
I would not take out a loan for the continuing education of a child.
Education comes with a price and not all families are entitled to one. We
still live in a class structure world. Some people can afford privileges
and other cannot. It's always been that way. I don't see how you can
afford to take
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:13:22 -0600 George Cobabe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Paul, you should know that the FAIR message boards are not the FAIR
> members,
> but rather visitors who post what they want. If that is the best
> you can
> do - accuse FAIR of being responsible for everything on t
On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 17:36:49 -0800 "John W. Redelfs"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I found the article very frustrating. After reading the first half
> of it,
> I discovered that the second half was off the right side of my
> screen with
> no way to access it.
>
> Let's see. The Brethren as
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:58:46 -0600 Steven Montgomery
> Who is claiming that Jesus was black? Ideas like this is why I tend
> to
> steer away from FAIR--in my experience I've found them to be a bunch
> of
> wannabe scholars but lacking in far too many areas.
It was an anti who posted the lin
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:39:36 -0800 "John W. Redelfs"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I doubt if you will get banned on this list, Paul. We are not PC.
> Of
> course, if you really tried --JWR
Thanks JR, as I do try to be extra good around here. I do have to say
though that I almost cried when I
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:58:43 -0400 Grampa Bill in Savannah
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Paul Osborne wrote:
>
> >I'm brutally honest just like JR is but with less tact.
> >
>
> Grampa Bill asks:
> Less tact than JR?
> Ha
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:13:35 -0600 George Cobabe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Paul: You have such a tendency to throw things around. Could you
> provide a
> reference for anyone who believes about Deer and Wooden swords?
> Hopefully a
> url!!!
Go to the FAIR message board. I can hardly beli
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:34:15 -0600 George Cobabe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Once again Paul, you find it easy to throw out accusations but are
> unable to
> back your words up. I am not trying to get you going about
> anything. The
> discussion was in regard to FAIR and what they had to say
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:28:14 -0800 "John W. Redelfs"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I heard of 'em. In fact, I'm on the Mormon Thinker's list. But
> Mormon
> Thinkers is a Johnny Come Lately list. Zion has been around since
> November
> of 1993. --JWR
Give my regards to Andy, John. He booted me f
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:22:05 -0600 George Cobabe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> OK, Paul I will forget it, especially if you will not just throw
> irresponsible statements and claims about just any old way.
>
> George
Oh come on George, you're just trying to get me started. I'm not that
dumb. I'
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:28:16 -0600 George Cobabe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think that there is a difference between melting and working gold
> and the
> making of metal alloys such as steel. I think that is what is
> being
> objected to when they say they was no metal working.
>
> George
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 05:59:17 -0600 George Cobabe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> For more on this issue you might want to check out fairlds.com.
> This is a
> group of LDS apologists that are tracking the issue.
Yeah, and this lousy board just excommunicated me for making statements
about physiological
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:07:41 -0700 Rick Mathis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> At 08:14 AM 8/11/2003 -0500, Paul wrote:
>
> >Anyway, I'm going to shut up now
> >because I seem to get banned just about every where I go.
>
> Thank you very much, Paul.
>
> Rick Mathis
You're welcome.
Paul O
[EM
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:52:13 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Hi. This is something I wasn't taught by the missionaries. I guess
> they
> didn't feel it was necessary to mention it. I'm curious why the
> Jehovah's
> Witnesses do not celebrate birthdays but we feel it is okay.
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:10:05 -0500 Valerie Nielsen Williams
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Well Paul, I had not heard the one about evil kings celebrating
> birthdays
> vis a vis birthdays are bad, but I have had a couple of students in
> my
Well, That is what I read in a JW pamphlet over 20 yea
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:01:04 -0500 Valerie Nielsen Williams
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> You made me smile, Paul. When I read your comment, my mind raced to
> Mormon Doctrine 20+ years ago, when McConkie said that the great
> and
> abominable church was the Catholic church, and how he had to so
I don't know the answer, John. I'm a jerk too and wonder if I am just
failing my mortal probation. I often think I made a mistake agreeing to
come to this lousy world. I didn't have to. I could have gone to any
other millions of other worlds and I actually agreed to come here. I'm
one stupid spirit
On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 04:41:45 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> I am now positive that if one kills himself he will end up as a
> telestial
> being. Am I right on this point?
>
> Stacy.
It depends on the mental state of the person. But, there is no reason to
kill oneself just be
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:09:57 GMT Larry Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>
> Stacy Smith:
>
> Are you suggesting that not all of Paul's "guidance"
> should be taken as from the Lord on these matters?
>
> ___
>
> Of course not. I think it is perfectly alright
> for the sisters t
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:20:15 GMT Larry Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>
> Stacy Smith:
>
> I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true
> symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him
> and him being bruised for our iniquities with the current
> use of water in our Sacrame
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:27:52 -0600 George Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> How is grape juice a better symbol than water? the color? Other
> than that
> there is little difference.
>
> George
Joseph Smith went out and bought real wine because real wine seemed like
the thing to do and ever
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:32:31 -0400 Chet Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Since Joseph noted that Paul had been mistranslated -- what Paul
> (not
> Paul Osborne) actually advised was that it wasn't correct for women
> to
> RULE in church. If you read the rest of
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:55:36 -0600 George Cobabe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Paul, before you go through a tirade like that you really ought to
Well, I've looked at the subject and from what I have read about the Jews
they treated their woman like second class citizens. Don't the scriptures
be
>I don't even try. I don't always drive the speed limit either. --JWR
You should. It is the law of the land and provides for better safety for
all drivers on the public highway. You need to stop speeding, now. If I
was the prophet I would include the following question on the temple
recommend:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:59:10 -0400 Jon Spencer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Every action has consequences, good or bad. Going faster than the
> speed
> limit is not the most important factor in traffic accidents.
> Defensive
> driving is.
You would very well have a change of attitude if someone
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:59:10 -0400 Jon Spencer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Going faster than the
> speed
> limit is not the most important factor in traffic accidents.
> Defensive
> driving is.
Just think about how many accidents would be avoided if people didn't
speed. Do you speed? If you do; st
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:06:26 + Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Perhaps we could conduct a survey of views on importance of
> following
> President Benson's counsel about mothers not working outside the
> home.
> Or perhaps we could find some statistics regarding women married in
"Excerpts from Recent Addresses of President Gordon B. Hinckley," Ensign,
Dec. 1995, 66
"In this age when more and more women are TURNING TO DAILY WORK, how
tremendous it is, once in a while, to stop and recognize that the
greatest service that any woman will ever perform will be in nurturing,
tea
Gordon B. Hinckley, "Stand True and Faithful," Ensign, May 1996, 91
"I urge each of you young women to get all of the schooling you can get.
You will need it for the world into which you will move. Life is becoming
so exceedingly competitive. Experts say that the average man or woman,
during his
Gordon B. Hinckley, "Women of the Church," Ensign, Nov. 1996, 67
"Some years ago President Benson delivered a message to the women of the
Church. He encouraged them to leave their employment and give their
individual time to their children. I sustain the position which he took.
NEVERTHLESS, I recog
eing
> oppressed in his job by a female regional manager who favors other
> females
> in promotions. The last person to get promoted was a female with
> less than
> 2 years of service in, yet my husband who is eminently more
> qualified and
> smarter and who has nearly 5
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:50:33 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I, too, would also like decent health care for my family, but we pay
> more
> and get less coverage than the union employees do. He doesn't get
> overtime. They do. He doesn't have any recourse when he doesn't
> like how
> he's be
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:48:07 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Oh! And I forgot...my husband has also literally broken his back at
> work...when the store was being constructed, they didn't properly
> cover an
> area where pipes and that come up to the ground...only covered it
> in
> plywood.
Thanks Ronn. My point exactly, and, many people haven't had pay raises
for a couple of years but things keep going up like medical insurance but
the benefits go down. Pretty soon people will be jumping out of windows
and off bridges. The country is in a serious depression.
Paul O
On Sun, 14 Sep
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:35:44 + Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>
> Sounds like we need not follow prophetic counsel as long as our
> circumstances make it inconvenient or uncomfortable for us.
>
> Am I getting this right?
No, you're wrong prophet Jim. Your interpretation and expect
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:34:35 + J Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>
> Val wrote:
(i.e. husband can get more education to
get a better paying job
Are you saying that no Latter-day Saint should settle for a lower paying
job? Someone has to do the work! There are always lower paying jobs an
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:14:53 + Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>
> "Counsel with the bishop" is a standard answer. As a problem
> solving
> strategy, it usually doesn't work at all, at least in my experience.
>
> Bishops don't have effective answers for any but the most routine
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:32:53 + Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>
>I am not offering the least criticism to women who work out of
>necessity.
Good. Let's keep it that way. No one made you the judge.
Paul O
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How does the lonely Mormon apologist, Paul Osborne, square with the fact
(based on evidence) that the prophet Joseph Smith incorrectly thought the
papyrus roll was genuine Abrahamic material when in fact it was not?
A fresh new perspective regarding this matter is now available for your
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:16:56 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> This is very interesting. It implies that God doesn't always correct
> error
> for his purposes.
>
> Stacy.
Something like that. I had to come up with something for my website. I've
been deep into this stuff for a go
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:47:14 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> I don't remember. Are you on FAIR or affiliated with them?
>
> Stacy.
>
I got booted from FAIR but have since returned under the name of Truth
and they are allowing me too stay because I am being nicer and not
shoving
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:25:24 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Well, can you answer me another question which I am very curious
> about?
I have not read either of the Godmaker books. I'm careful not to read to
much antiMormon material because it is depressing and does not edify a
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:01:07 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Nothing yet. I only read chapter 1 and 2 of SHADOW OR REALITY and I
> wasn't
> too impressed with their arguments but I admit it would have been
> difficult
> to exactly write a response. Most of it sounded rather s
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:18:44 -0600 (GMT-06 George Cobabe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Paul, I have not seen anyone on the FAIR list called truth.
> Everyone that posts there uses a real (???) name rather than some
> sort of code word. Are you sure you are speaking of the FAIR list
> or th
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 06:36:22 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> I thought you were an apologist.
>
> Stacy.
Yes, in a manner of speaking. I do have website called, "My Attack on
antiMormonism" http://www.myegyptology.net/file/home.htm which I do just
for fun.
I mainly concentrate
Dear ones,
I received the following by email. It probably violates the charter
for me to forward it... but does anyone know the truth of this? I am
incensed!
===
Yep, I read about it. The political correct police action showed its true
colors. Brigham Young is rolling in
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:04:07 -0400 Grampa Bill in Savannah
> Grampa Bill answers:
> I am incensed at the initial act of bigotry and blasphemy. I am
>
> further incensed that the police arrested my brethren. There are
> times
> when a quick run to the nearest Krispy Kreme is appropriate. T
Of course I'm here, John. I've been really busy working on my Book of
Abraham apologetics.
Also, mankind (starting with Adam) has only been on the earth for 6,000
years and I beat Gary Smith really good in that last debate. When it
comes to the teachings of the prophets it just goes to show that a
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:21:49 -0700 George Cobabe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Don't forget George while you are at it, Tom. I hope that it will be
> in the
> good column,
>
> George
And, don't forget I'm the one that told you about the Zion list.
:-))
Paul O
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Are you the one, I thought it was Marc Schindler but am likely mistaken.
I
am not so sure anyone but me would appreciate your referral.
George
===
Yep, it was me. Positive, for sure.
Paul O
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The
The Catholics are using the Mormon building for their own release time
seminary per Church News article.
"I'm sure the relationship between the LDS and Catholic church will grow
and strengthen because of things like this. I'm hoping that it will put
us on a road of mutual respect and appreciatio
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:43:26 + Tom Matkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I note that the
>
> Church is independent of all other churches in terms of doctrine,
> programs, missionary work, ordinances, and other matters of theology
> and
> administration...
Ok, Tom. I buy your explanation.
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 11:10:50 -0500 Gerald Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> First off, this comes close to attacking the prophets and is a
> charter
> violation,
Gary, you are off your rocker. Settle down and take a deep breath and
quit trying to make an apostate out of me. :-(
Paul O
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