Re: [ZION] Catholics Mormons unite

2003-11-02 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:43:26 + Tom Matkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I note that the Church is independent of all other churches in terms of doctrine, programs, missionary work, ordinances, and other matters of theology and administration... Ok, Tom. I buy your explanation.

[ZION] Catholics Mormons unite

2003-11-01 Thread Paul Osborne
The Catholics are using the Mormon building for their own release time seminary per Church News article. I'm sure the relationship between the LDS and Catholic church will grow and strengthen because of things like this. I'm hoping that it will put us on a road of mutual respect and

Re: [ZION] Starts With G

2003-10-31 Thread Paul Osborne
Are you the one, I thought it was Marc Schindler but am likely mistaken. I am not so sure anyone but me would appreciate your referral. George === Yep, it was me. Positive, for sure. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ZION] Roll Call

2003-10-30 Thread Paul Osborne
Of course I'm here, John. I've been really busy working on my Book of Abraham apologetics. Also, mankind (starting with Adam) has only been on the earth for 6,000 years and I beat Gary Smith really good in that last debate. When it comes to the teachings of the prophets it just goes to show that

Re: [ZION] Starts With G

2003-10-30 Thread Paul Osborne
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:21:49 -0700 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't forget George while you are at it, Tom. I hope that it will be in the good column, George And, don't forget I'm the one that told you about the Zion list. :-)) Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ZION] Breaking the charter?

2003-10-15 Thread Paul Osborne
Dear ones, I received the following by email. It probably violates the charter for me to forward it... but does anyone know the truth of this? I am incensed! === Yep, I read about it. The political correct police action showed its true colors. Brigham Young is rolling

Re: [ZION] Breaking the charter?

2003-10-15 Thread Paul Osborne
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:04:07 -0400 Grampa Bill in Savannah Grampa Bill answers: I am incensed at the initial act of bigotry and blasphemy. I am further incensed that the police arrested my brethren. There are times when a quick run to the nearest Krispy Kreme is appropriate. This

Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-28 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 06:36:22 -0500 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought you were an apologist. Stacy. Yes, in a manner of speaking. I do have website called, My Attack on antiMormonism http://www.myegyptology.net/file/home.htm which I do just for fun. I mainly concentrate on

[ZION] error?

2003-09-27 Thread Paul Osborne
How does the lonely Mormon apologist, Paul Osborne, square with the fact (based on evidence) that the prophet Joseph Smith incorrectly thought the papyrus roll was genuine Abrahamic material when in fact it was not? A fresh new perspective regarding this matter is now available for your

Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-27 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:16:56 -0500 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is very interesting. It implies that God doesn't always correct error for his purposes. Stacy. Something like that. I had to come up with something for my website. I've been deep into this stuff for a good

Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-27 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:47:14 -0500 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't remember. Are you on FAIR or affiliated with them? Stacy. I got booted from FAIR but have since returned under the name of Truth and they are allowing me too stay because I am being nicer and not shoving

Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-27 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:25:24 -0500 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, can you answer me another question which I am very curious about? I have not read either of the Godmaker books. I'm careful not to read to much antiMormon material because it is depressing and does not edify at

Re: [ZION] confiding in bishops

2003-09-21 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:14:53 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Counsel with the bishop is a standard answer. As a problem solving strategy, it usually doesn't work at all, at least in my experience. Bishops don't have effective answers for any but the most routine

Re: [ZION] apostate working women {was}working woman

2003-09-21 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:32:53 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not offering the least criticism to women who work out of necessity. Good. Let's keep it that way. No one made you the judge. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ZION] working woman

2003-09-20 Thread Paul Osborne
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:35:44 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds like we need not follow prophetic counsel as long as our circumstances make it inconvenient or uncomfortable for us. Am I getting this right? No, you're wrong prophet Jim. Your interpretation and expectations

Re: [ZION] apostate working women {was}working woman

2003-09-20 Thread Paul Osborne
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:34:35 + J Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Val wrote: (i.e. husband can get more education to get a better paying job Are you saying that no Latter-day Saint should settle for a lower paying job? Someone has to do the work! There are always lower paying jobs and

Re: [ZION] working woman

2003-09-15 Thread Paul Osborne
years of service in, yet my husband who is eminently more qualified and smarter and who has nearly 5 years in, was not promoted. Yes, my husband is white collar, but I have to work, too. Heidi [Original Message] From: Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9/14

Re: [ZION] working woman

2003-09-15 Thread Paul Osborne
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:50:33 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I, too, would also like decent health care for my family, but we pay more and get less coverage than the union employees do. He doesn't get overtime. They do. He doesn't have any recourse when he doesn't like how he's being

Re: [ZION] working woman

2003-09-15 Thread Paul Osborne
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:48:07 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh! And I forgot...my husband has also literally broken his back at work...when the store was being constructed, they didn't properly cover an area where pipes and that come up to the ground...only covered it in plywood. He

Re: [ZION] working woman

2003-09-15 Thread Paul Osborne
Thanks Ronn. My point exactly, and, many people haven't had pay raises for a couple of years but things keep going up like medical insurance but the benefits go down. Pretty soon people will be jumping out of windows and off bridges. The country is in a serious depression. Paul O On Sun, 14 Sep

Re: [ZION] working woman

2003-09-14 Thread Paul Osborne
Excerpts from Recent Addresses of President Gordon B. Hinckley, Ensign, Dec. 1995, 66 In this age when more and more women are TURNING TO DAILY WORK, how tremendous it is, once in a while, to stop and recognize that the greatest service that any woman will ever perform will be in nurturing,

Re: [ZION] working woman

2003-09-14 Thread Paul Osborne
Gordon B. Hinckley, Stand True and Faithful, Ensign, May 1996, 91 I urge each of you young women to get all of the schooling you can get. You will need it for the world into which you will move. Life is becoming so exceedingly competitive. Experts say that the average man or woman, during his

Re: [ZION] working woman

2003-09-14 Thread Paul Osborne
Gordon B. Hinckley, Women of the Church, Ensign, Nov. 1996, 67 Some years ago President Benson delivered a message to the women of the Church. He encouraged them to leave their employment and give their individual time to their children. I sustain the position which he took. NEVERTHLESS, I

Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry

2003-09-11 Thread Paul Osborne
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:59:10 -0400 Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Every action has consequences, good or bad. Going faster than the speed limit is not the most important factor in traffic accidents. Defensive driving is. You would very well have a change of attitude if someone killed

Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry

2003-09-11 Thread Paul Osborne
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:59:10 -0400 Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Going faster than the speed limit is not the most important factor in traffic accidents. Defensive driving is. Just think about how many accidents would be avoided if people didn't speed. Do you speed? If you do; stop it

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-11 Thread Paul Osborne
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:06:26 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps we could conduct a survey of views on importance of following President Benson's counsel about mothers not working outside the home. Or perhaps we could find some statistics regarding women married in the

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-10 Thread Paul Osborne
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:32:31 -0400 Chet Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since Joseph noted that Paul had been mistranslated -- what Paul (not Paul Osborne) actually advised was that it wasn't correct for women to RULE in church. If you read the rest of Paul's letter, it's pretty obvious

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-10 Thread Paul Osborne
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:55:36 -0600 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul, before you go through a tirade like that you really ought to Well, I've looked at the subject and from what I have read about the Jews they treated their woman like second class citizens. Don't the scriptures bear

Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry

2003-09-10 Thread Paul Osborne
I don't even try. I don't always drive the speed limit either. --JWR You should. It is the law of the land and provides for better safety for all drivers on the public highway. You need to stop speeding, now. If I was the prophet I would include the following question on the temple recommend:

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-09 Thread Paul Osborne
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:09:57 GMT Larry Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stacy Smith: Are you suggesting that not all of Paul's guidance should be taken as from the Lord on these matters? ___ Of course not. I think it is perfectly alright for the sisters to speak at

Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-09 Thread Paul Osborne
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:20:15 GMT Larry Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stacy Smith: I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him and him being bruised for our iniquities with the current use of water in our Sacrament?

Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-09 Thread Paul Osborne
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:27:52 -0600 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is grape juice a better symbol than water? the color? Other than that there is little difference. George Joseph Smith went out and bought real wine because real wine seemed like the thing to do and everyone

Re: [ZION] Where Suicides Go

2003-09-08 Thread Paul Osborne
On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 04:41:45 -0500 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am now positive that if one kills himself he will end up as a telestial being. Am I right on this point? Stacy. It depends on the mental state of the person. But, there is no reason to kill oneself just because

Re: [ZION] The Stupidity of Other People

2003-09-02 Thread Paul Osborne
I don't know the answer, John. I'm a jerk too and wonder if I am just failing my mortal probation. I often think I made a mistake agreeing to come to this lousy world. I didn't have to. I could have gone to any other millions of other worlds and I actually agreed to come here. I'm one stupid

Re: [ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays

2003-08-26 Thread Paul Osborne
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:01:04 -0500 Valerie Nielsen Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You made me smile, Paul. When I read your comment, my mind raced to Mormon Doctrine 20+ years ago, when McConkie said that the great and abominable church was the Catholic church, and how he had to soften

Re: [ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays

2003-08-25 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:10:05 -0500 Valerie Nielsen Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well Paul, I had not heard the one about evil kings celebrating birthdays vis a vis birthdays are bad, but I have had a couple of students in my Well, That is what I read in a JW pamphlet over 20 years

Re: [ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays

2003-08-23 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:52:13 -0500 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi. This is something I wasn't taught by the missionaries. I guess they didn't feel it was necessary to mention it. I'm curious why the Jehovah's Witnesses do not celebrate birthdays but we feel it is okay.

Re: [ZION] DNA and the Book of Mormon

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Osborne
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:13:22 -0600 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul, you should know that the FAIR message boards are not the FAIR members, but rather visitors who post what they want. If that is the best you can do - accuse FAIR of being responsible for everything on the

Re: [ZION] Bankruptcy and LDS

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 17:36:49 -0800 John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I found the article very frustrating. After reading the first half of it, I discovered that the second half was off the right side of my screen with no way to access it. Let's see. The Brethren ask us to:

Re: [ZION] DNA and the Book of Mormon

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Osborne
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:58:46 -0600 Steven Montgomery Who is claiming that Jesus was black? Ideas like this is why I tend to steer away from FAIR--in my experience I've found them to be a bunch of wannabe scholars but lacking in far too many areas. It was an anti who posted the link

Re: [ZION] DNA and the Book of Mormon

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Osborne
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:39:36 -0800 John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] I doubt if you will get banned on this list, Paul. We are not PC. Of course, if you really tried --JWR Thanks JR, as I do try to be extra good around here. I do have to say though that I almost cried when I found

Re: [ZION] DNA and the Book of Mormon

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Osborne
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:58:43 -0400 Grampa Bill in Savannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul Osborne wrote: I'm brutally honest just like JR is but with less tact. Grampa Bill asks: Less tact than JR? Hard to believe! :-) Love y'all, Grampa Bill

Re: [ZION] DNA and the Book of Mormon

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Osborne
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:13:35 -0600 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul: You have such a tendency to throw things around. Could you provide a reference for anyone who believes about Deer and Wooden swords? Hopefully a url!!! Go to the FAIR message board. I can hardly believe

Re: [ZION] DNA and the Book of Mormon

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Osborne
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:34:15 -0600 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Once again Paul, you find it easy to throw out accusations but are unable to back your words up. I am not trying to get you going about anything. The discussion was in regard to FAIR and what they had to say. You

Re: [ZION] MormonThinkers [was Kicked Off the FAIR List]

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Osborne
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:28:14 -0800 John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] I heard of 'em. In fact, I'm on the Mormon Thinker's list. But Mormon Thinkers is a Johnny Come Lately list. Zion has been around since November of 1993. --JWR Give my regards to Andy, John. He booted me from the

Re: [ZION] DNA and the Book of Mormon

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Osborne
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:22:05 -0600 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, Paul I will forget it, especially if you will not just throw irresponsible statements and claims about just any old way. George Oh come on George, you're just trying to get me started. I'm not that dumb. I've

Re: [ZION] Metallurgy in Ancient America

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Osborne
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:28:16 -0600 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that there is a difference between melting and working gold and the making of metal alloys such as steel. I think that is what is being objected to when they say they was no metal working. George The

Re: [ZION] DNA and the Book of Mormon

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Osborne
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 05:59:17 -0600 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more on this issue you might want to check out fairlds.com. This is a group of LDS apologists that are tracking the issue. Yeah, and this lousy board just excommunicated me for making statements about physiological

Re: [ZION] DNA and the Book of Mormon

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Osborne
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:07:41 -0700 Rick Mathis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 08:14 AM 8/11/2003 -0500, Paul wrote: Anyway, I'm going to shut up now because I seem to get banned just about every where I go. Thank you very much, Paul. Rick Mathis You're welcome. blahh Paul O [EMAIL

Re: [ZION] One for the Money

2003-07-27 Thread Paul Osborne
I would not take out a loan for the continuing education of a child. Education comes with a price and not all families are entitled to one. We still live in a class structure world. Some people can afford privileges and other cannot. It's always been that way. I don't see how you can afford to

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-19 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:10:36 -0400 Scott McGee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul Osborne wrote: As far as this life being a nightmare? (as was suggested) - that does not seem like a loving Father at all. I think that this life is a wonderful experience and every challenge only adds

Re: [ZION] Gods and Generals

2003-07-18 Thread Paul Osborne
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:15:03 -0800 John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] What about you all? Have any of you seen a good movie lately? I buy a couple of DVDs every month, and I'm always looking for something good that I have overlooked. Oh yes! I recently got the new double DVD of over

Re: [ZION] Families and the Priesthood

2003-07-14 Thread Paul Osborne
Way cool, Jon. Thanks for sharing, Paul O On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:00:56 -0400 Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Today, I was privileged to participate in the conferring of the keys for the president of the Deacons Quorum on my younger son. My older son is currently the 1st Assistant in

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-13 Thread Paul Osborne
As far as this life being a nightmare? (as was suggested) - that does not seem like a loving Father at all. I think that this life is a wonderful experience and every challenge only adds to the fun. And the small challenges are only there to prepare us for the big one. I don't agree with you

Re: [ZION] Samoa Temple

2003-07-12 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 06:53:08 -0800 John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Noel B favored us with: For an answer I would have to look to God and the prophet. When I listen to President Hinckley, I hear a very positive message. I have to assume that each one of us must seek

Re: [ZION] Samoa Temple

2003-07-12 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:12:11 -0600 Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 10:44 AM 7/12/2003, Paul wrote: John, President Bensen is dead. What he said has no bearing anymore regarding the direction and present condition of the Church, let alone the future direction. This

Re: [ZION] Who Owns Coca-Cola?

2003-07-02 Thread Paul Osborne
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:33:21 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, Paul, I prefer Mountain Dew. It isn't Coke, so I can still claim to be holier-than-thou! ;-) At least those of us who are painfully honest about our bad habits can admit that we only like these drinks

Re: [ZION] Gripe session

2003-07-02 Thread Paul Osborne
Heidi, On the hallowed language issue-- you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. The General Authorities have constantly tried to tell the Church to use the appropriate language. There is usually a conference talk on this subject at least every few years. But these members

Re: [ZION] Who Owns Coca-Cola?

2003-07-01 Thread Paul Osborne
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:24:33 -0700 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are we prohibited from owning stock in Coca Cola? Stacy. Absolutely not. Drink up! Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-24 Thread Paul Osborne
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:17:00 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, I don't know, Paul. I'm pretty particular, I suppose, but I just don't worry about making hand contact with the temple workers. Especially when it pertains to performing ordinances, I just feel like the Lord will protect

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-24 Thread Paul Osborne
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:05:31 -0600 Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 08:14 AM 6/24/2003, you wrote: On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:17:00 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, I don't know, Paul. I'm pretty particular, I suppose, but I just don't worry about making hand contact

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-24 Thread Paul Osborne
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:54:56 -0600 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Boy o Boy - talking about whether or not to shake hands for fear of illness and death makes a lot more sense than talking about doctrinal or news topics. What a lot of nonsense - I keep waiting for the punch line

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-23 Thread Paul Osborne
Me too, Heidi. Paul O On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:47:32 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am a big believer in hand washing. That might have something to do with the fact that my mother is a nurse. Anyhoo...I've spent a lot of time around children that aren't my own, and I rarely get sick.

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-23 Thread Paul Osborne
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 04:11:31 -0700 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are we supposed to do about temple workers' hands? Are we to ask if they have washed them? Stacy. It's just down right dirty, nasty, and germy. There just doesn't seem to be a way out of it. H. Oh well;

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-21 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:05:08 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My hand shakes a lot too. Whadda ya think we oughta do about it? Stop spreading your nasty germs, Jimmyboy. ;-)) Did you know that I actually packed two cans of lysol spray on my mission to London England!? No

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-21 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 05:45:39 -0500 Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 04:45 AM 6/21/03 -0500, Paul Osborne wrote: On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 04:05:08 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My hand shakes a lot too. Whadda ya think we oughta do about it? Stop

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-21 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:06:02 -0600 Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You ought to be even more grateful then that the mid-eastern tradition of greeting is not followed then. Why? What do they do? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-21 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:12:56 -0600 Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Holy (Or, I suppose unholy, depending on who is performing the action) Kiss: Luke 22: 47-48, and then Romans 16:16, 1 Cor. 16: 20, 2 Cor. 13: 12, 1 Thess. 5: 26, and finally 1 Peter 5: 14. This is a

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-21 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:21:49 -0500 Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kiss: Luke 22: 47-48, and then Romans 16:16, 1 Cor. 16: 20, 2 Cor. 13: 12, 1 Thess. 5: 26, and finally 1 Peter 5: 14. This is a charter violation. ;-) Quoting scripture? That's right, wise guy. The

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-21 Thread Paul Osborne
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:35:22 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul, you can get bottles of the anti-bacterial stuff that is the right size for your pocket or your wife's handbag, and they have a flip top. Either that, or you can carry around those individually-wrapped anti-bacterial moist

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-20 Thread Paul Osborne
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:51:03 -0400 Maj Tom Merrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The First Presidency and the Twelve probably shake hundreds of hands each week and, even at their advanced ages, no ill effects. I think we're probably safe. Tom Well, I'm not a prophet and I ain't ever

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-20 Thread Paul Osborne
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:29:45 -0500 Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul, maybe you should consider carrying around one of those big squirt bottle of that anti-bacterial hand gel and use it every time immediately after you shake someone's hand . . . and hope you never get called as

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-20 Thread Paul Osborne
Hey Jeff, the 70's are over, man. I'm a good boy now days. ;-) On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:15:24 -0600 Jeffrey Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe LSD causes a hand shaking/germ phobia. I know it can cause hallucinations and such. --Jeff. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/20/2003 10:40:57 AM It

Re: [ZION] Danites

2003-06-19 Thread Paul Osborne
Grampa, What an excellent response! A very safe one too. :-) Paul O On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:50:24 -0700 Grampa Bill in Savannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul Osborne wrote: Do you think that Joseph Smith and his assistants were wasting their time when they created the Egyptian

Re: [ZION] Royal Families

2003-06-19 Thread Paul Osborne
is the opinion of the group? I'd find your comments interesting as well as educational. As I said, I have some rather strong feelings on this, but I thought that I'd ask this august group. Thx Cheers Tom Hmmm. First of all, ain't no one gonna rule over me (Paul Osborne the Great

Re: [ZION] Blood Atonement

2003-06-18 Thread Paul Osborne
John, I don't know the answers to these questions. All I can say is we need to accept the ever changing world of Mormonism. Things will change in both the Church and Mormon culture and we are not given explanations as to why. We just follow. Paul O On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:37:01 + John W.

Re: [ZION] lost and found

2003-06-10 Thread Paul Osborne
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 05:06:21 -0700 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's the weather like over there? In the 90's? Hope so. Actually we have had a real mild spring and are starting out mild this summer. Mostly upper 80's and low 90's. I think we only have been in the high 90's a few

Re: [ZION] lost and found

2003-06-07 Thread Paul Osborne
of sunshine too. Oh, it's Church tomorrow. Hmmm, I better not skip again, at least for a while. :-) thinking out loud Paul O On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:24:05 -0400 Scott McGee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul, The least you could do is tell us _HOW_ you found the owner! Scott Paul Osborne wrote

Re: [ZION] lost and found

2003-06-06 Thread Paul Osborne
The MS number is less likely to give a direct link to the owner. however, if it is not a big name brand computer, then MS could probably tell you who the manufacturer is, if you can find anyone at MS to speak to. Jon - Original Message - From: Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED

[ZION] lost and found

2003-06-04 Thread Paul Osborne
Zion might know. I found a lap top computer. It has no name or identification. Is there a way to track down the owner with the product code number? If so, how do I so it? Paul O [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [ZION] God's love

2003-06-03 Thread Paul Osborne
On Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:59:49 -0400 Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul Osborne wrote: Anyway, God loves me, and that's final. And I love you too, Paul. That makes two! Noj Thanks. It's always nice to hear that and especially my Zion friends. :-) Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [ZION] God's love

2003-06-02 Thread Paul Osborne
Right on Gary. That was a bull'seye. Paul O On Sat, 31 May 2003 19:45:24 -0500 Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe they are discussing different ideas, but arriving at the same conclusions overall. Elder Nelson is trying to refute the idea of God unconditionally accepting

Re: [ZION] God's love

2003-05-30 Thread Paul Osborne
Some on the list have mentioned in the past that God does not love sinners, and tried to use recent statements on unconditional love to prove their point. I'd like to quote Elder Neal Maxwell, perhaps the current scriptural scholar among the apostles, and definitely the

Re: [ZION] Important Questions

2003-01-23 Thread Paul Osborne
Gee-wizz, John. I thought we weren't suppose to talk about Iraq? Remember the last flame war we had? Well, since we are about to go at it again I will only make one little itty bitty comment which is that I hope we bomb the hell out Iraq and roll our tanks right into the palaces of that madman in

Re: [ZION] You're back!

2003-01-22 Thread Paul Osborne
Last Sunday I knew we would have great talks in sacrament because Elder Gibbons and his wife were speaking. He is an Area Authority that lives in my ward and I have known him for over 15 years and my wife much longer. What was strange was he got up and said that he was going to participate in a

[ZION] the end

2002-12-21 Thread Paul Osborne
John, What is the final day or hour when posts can be posted on the Zion list? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-21 Thread Paul Osborne
Also, if I recall correctly, didn't the Nephites worship Christ only to a point, after which he told them to worship the Father? The Nephites worshipped Christ because he was the ETERNAL GOD and they loved him with all their hearts. It is true that the mortal Jesus taught the Jews how to pray to

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-21 Thread Paul Osborne
Marc I certainly wouldn't object to that. You my friend, are indeed a Christian. :-) Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Re: [ZION] Subject to natural law

2002-12-21 Thread Paul Osborne
Then, my friend, what is meant by the term eternal progression? Are we being lied to? Jon No, we are not being lied to. You just don't understand what eternal progression is, Jon. It is a state of never ending progress as worlds come and go. The size of heavenly Father's kingdom grows with

Re: [ZION] Subject to natural law

2002-12-21 Thread Paul Osborne
I agree with with Stephen. Paul O On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:39:41 + Stephen Beecroft [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -George- When God created this universe -Jon- He did not create this universe. He caused it to be organized. Big difference! The prophets and the scriptures are unanimous

Re: [ZION] the end from the beginning

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
There was no beginning and there will be no end, there was no first Father and there will never be a last Father Notive how I left out the period at the end of the above sentence? grin Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno

Re: [ZION] Nature of God

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
I tend to go with the odds and believe that He was not likely a Savior like Jesus A safe bet. You win. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Re: [ZION] Nature of God

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
Given what we know about God having been as man now is, does anyone have an opinion and/or reference on whether God was a man like you and me or was he a man like Jesus -- that is, did he have one or two mortal parents? And, does it matter? Someday Jeffry Ross's exalted son(s) will place

Re: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
I'm glad to hear that George. Keep it up. :-) Paul O On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:26:42 -0700 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: geez Paul - and I was beginning to have such confidence in your doctrinal judgment. George - Original Message - From: Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
Interesting -- I think you might have me there, at least partially, as I was unaware of the GBH quote. I suppose I should have defined the term more tightly and say that we don't *pray* to Jesus Christ. Right. I can go along with this, Marc. However, you might recall that I said earlier that

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
First Presidency Message A Testimony of the Son of God Ensign, December 2002 By President Gordon B. Hinckley We honor Him, we worship Him, we love Him as our Redeemer, the great Jehovah of the Old Testament, the Messiah of the New Testament. The entire thrust of the testimony of the Book of

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
. Because God the Father is in fact the only authorized object of our worship. We can love, respect,hold in high esteem and appreciation the Son, our redeemer, but we worship only the Father. George - Original Message - From: Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
I confess your quotes regarding worshiping Christ are troubling with regard to his verse. How do you reconcile the two? I've got to go to bed now. I'm absolutely exhausted and sick too, again. I'll just say that the difference between the three members of the Godhead boils down to one fact, and

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
Stephen E. Robinson, “Are Mormons Christians?” New Era, May 1998, 41 “Both the Book of Mormon as scripture and Joseph Smith as a prophet bear witness to Jesus Christ as Savior. The Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price bear that same great witness, as do all of the modern prophets and

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
Bernard P. Brockbank, “The Living Christ,” Ensign, May 1977, 26 “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints worships a God and a Jesus Christ with bodies, with parts, and with passions. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for

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