Re: [ZION] Definition of liberal

2002-10-24 Thread Marc A. Schindler
This is more of the meaning it still has in Europe, and to a certain extent, in Canada, although Canada, as in so many things, is halfway between. It has more of the US meaning here in Alberta, but it has the European meaning more in Ontario, where I lived for 14 years on two different occasions.

Re: [ZION] Figure the Odds

2002-10-24 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Here's something else meant to comfort. I sure hope we know what we're doing ;-) But consider this: an election which was considered fair by external observers was just held in a very volatile region, the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, which is the only Indian state where Moslems predominate,

Re: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-24 Thread Marc A. Schindler
John W. Redelfs wrote: At 11:41 PM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Gary Smith wrote: It is partially an issue of maturity/age: placing those who have not had a line authority position requiring HP status, into the HP quorum/group, in order to strengthen the individual and also to strengthen the quorum.

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-24 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Paul Osborne wrote: And, yes, John gave me some good pointers. I've seen how John operates too and have watched him type letters to the list. I've seen his computer, chair, book shelves, and table. I can visualize him right now in my mind. Having trouble sleeping, are we? ducking with

Re: [ZION] Sniper Victims

2002-10-24 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Thanks for elucidating my fuzzification. Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote: Marc: Maybe a little ;-)I've pasted articles below on each victim. val Hmm. Maybe I've got my wires crossed. The one I'm thinking of worked at the time of her death at the FBI (which doesn't say what she did

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-24 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 21:43 10/23/2002 -0500, Gary wrote: The Brethren had comfortable lives because they earned a comfortable life. Not so sure I agree, Gary. Reference Approaching Zion Chapters 4 and 5. Not so sure earned is the correct choice of terms here. Till

Re: [ZION] UN Moral Authority

2002-10-24 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 09:22 PM 10/23/2002, Marc wrote: the UN Security Council). Nation states are dying as institutions, and power is flowing up to super-regions, and down to micro-regions, so the question will come to make even less and less sense as the new century unfolds, imo. -- Marc A. Schindler I

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-24 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 21:46 10/23/2002 -0500, St Paul wrote: I will admit that I used to annoyed about it in the past. Till detects that it is still unresolved But it is the Lord's church and he can do whatever he wants, so I have come to accept it. You're on the right track, though but I'm sure he had

RE: [ZION] High Priest

2002-10-24 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 02:55 10/24/2002 +, St Stephen wrote: If a man who has previously served as elder's quorum president, then been released, is again called to serve, he does not need to have the keys given him. He already has them. The same applies to a former bishop who is called to serve again as bishop,

Re: [ZION] Alma and High Priests

2002-10-24 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 01:13 AM 10/24/2002, Marc wrote: Or put a more positive way: on another list recently we discussed a scripture in Isaiah which specifically identifies Mt. Zion as Jerusalem, and how this appeared to present a problem with the way it was used by Nephi. We talked a little bit about

Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary

2002-10-24 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 20:33 10/23/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: Maybe with satellite technology they will eventually solve the riddle of the Ark which some suppose is on Ararat to this day. Haven't they used sophisticated imaging and satellite technology to find roads and cities buried under the sands of the Arabian

Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-24 Thread Dan R Allen
We know that a temple will be built in Jerusalem before the Second Coming. We also know that a temple will be built in Jackson County before the Savior comes. Question: will the temple in Jerusalem have to be built and dedicated under the authority and supervision of the Melchizedek

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-24 Thread Marc A. Schindler
When I lived in Seattle, when I was 14 I got my patriarchal blessing (this was in the old Renton ward of the Seattle Stake -- there are now 2 or 3 stakes in the region that old ward covered, which dates me!). The patriarch asked me if I wouldn't please try to friendship his son, who was going

Re: Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

2002-10-24 Thread Jon Spencer
Never, or when you die, or when Christ returns, whichever comes first. Jon Cousin Bill wrote: At some point in the past, Mark wrote: Bill brings up an interesting point. Is it a good idea to work within a party in order to change it? Presumably the answer is yes. What if the party

Re: [ZION] High Priest

2002-10-24 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I felt the same thing when I was released from my mission. It was an almost palpable loss. Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At 02:55 10/24/2002 +, St Stephen wrote: If a man who has previously served as elder's quorum president, then been released, is again called to serve, he does not need to

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-24 Thread Paul Osborne
Till, who hopes he hasn't offended Of course not. I'm the one around here that probably is the most offensive. When I was a kid I use to through rocks at beehives and shoot my bee bee gun at the neighbors windows. :-) Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ZION] High Priests More Active Than Elders

2002-10-24 Thread Sandy and Melinda Rabinowitz
From what I've noticed here in my ward-- Prospective Elders: 98% Inactive* Elders: Seems like 25-30% Inactive, at least here High Priests: 5-10% Inactive, but it seems as if the inactivity occurs mainly for health reasons, such as an extended hospitalization As Paul O. noted, Prospective

RE: [ZION] High Priest

2002-10-24 Thread Mark Gregson
-Larry- Keys, where needed, are given to the person set apart for a calling. He only holds those keys until he is released. -Stephen- How about that? That's directly opposite to what a bishop told me years back. Thanks for the clarification. I concur with Larry. An ordained bishop, if

Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-24 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:10 10/24/2002 -0500, St Paul wrote: I think we have been here before. It's a good subject. I say that the Jews can't build a temple that the Lord will accept. A temple must be built and consecrated to the Lord Jesus Christ and the Jews cannot do that. The temple in Jerusalem will be

Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-24 Thread Paul Osborne
We know that a temple will be built in Jerusalem before the Second Coming. We also know that a temple will be built in Jackson County before the Savior comes. Question: will the temple in Jerusalem have to be built and dedicated under the authority and supervision of the Melchizedek

[ZION] Canada proposes a new metric measure: the pei :-

2002-10-24 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Whoops. Wrong link. http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021024/COPEI/Comment/comment/comment_temp/4/4/4/ Sorry 'bout that. -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland “We do not think that there is an incompatibility between

[ZION] Canada proposes a new metric measure: the pei :-)

2002-10-24 Thread Marc A. Schindler
it comes to comparative land measure: http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021024/COVISION/Comment/comment/comment_temp/1/1/4/ -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland “We do not think that there is an incompatibility between

[ZION] Canada followers and bagpipe lovers/haters :-)

2002-10-24 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Here's your little second-hand chuckle for the day. Ah, I feel sorry for those who can't get CBC Radio One. As I type this I'm listening to a Madly Off in All Directions* concert the Saskatchewan comedian John Elliott is giving in Pictou (pick-toe, not pick-too), Nova Scotia, heart of bagpipe

Re: [ZION] Figure the Odds

2002-10-24 Thread Marc A. Schindler
By the time everyone reads this you'll already know that arrests have been made in the Washington sniper case. Let's hope they've got 'em. -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland “We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and

Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-24 Thread Paul Osborne
Dan: We might be in for a surprise here. The key, I think, is in the actual consecration of the temple. The Jews will probably build it, as a temple,... they won't have the authority to consecrate it, but the actual construction could be done in the faith that God will provide the means once it's

[ZION] High Priests

2002-10-24 Thread Gary Smith
Stephen, You give some nice definitions, but can you show where these definitions come from? I agree that the term high priest can have more than one meaning, but there are many Church leaders who would disagree with your Alma 13 assessment, and say that those were, indeed, high priests in the

[ZION] James' ossuary

2002-10-24 Thread Gary Smith
Why? There's no evidence that he's resurrected. The James that ordained Joseph Smith was James the Greater, brother of John the Apostle. This James is brother of Jesus, who converted after the resurrection of Christ, and became the bishop of Jerusalem, as well as author of the book of James. For

[ZION] Calling of Stake Presidents

2002-10-24 Thread Gary Smith
Paul and others, just to let you know the process for the calling of a new stake president: The General Authorities arrive, and they first interview the current stake presidency and high council, then the bishops, then other high priests in the stake, etc. The GAs don't ask to see the persons

Re: [ZION] Calling of Stake Presidents

2002-10-24 Thread Paul Osborne
The GAs don't ask to see the persons with the highest salaries. In fact, it isn't a consideration. Usually, they know who it is as soon as the person steps into the room, as the Spirit tells them who it should be. If anyone considers the finances, it must be the Lord, because the GAs don't ask

Re: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-24 Thread Paul Osborne
There are in this greater priesthood five offices or callings—elder, seventy, high priest, patriarch, and apostle—yet the priesthood is the same; and the priesthood is greater than any of its offices. We are a kingdom of brethren, a congregation of equals, all of whom are entitled to receive all

Re: [ZION] kings and priests

2002-10-24 Thread Paul Osborne
And with reference to all others who also receive the Melchizedek Priesthood, the scripture saith: “And all those who are ordained unto this priesthood are made like unto the Son of God, abiding a priest continually.” (JST, Heb. 7:3.) That is to say, they will be kings and priests forever; their

Re: [ZION] James' ossuary

2002-10-24 Thread Paul Osborne
Why? There's no evidence that he's resurrected. The James that ordained Joseph Smith was James the Greater, brother of John the Apostle. This James is brother of Jesus, who converted after the resurrection of Christ, and became the bishop of Jerusalem, as well as author of the book of James. For

RE: [ZION] High Priest

2002-10-24 Thread larry . jackson
Stephen Beecroft: -Larry- Keys, where needed, are given to the person set apart for a calling. He only holds those keys until he is released. How about that? That's directly opposite to what a bishop told me years back. Thanks for the clarification. ___ You're welcome. It came

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-24 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Gary- You give some nice definitions, but can you show where these definitions come from? Mostly from the scriptures themselves. I am pretty sure that the Bible never explicitly specifies that Enos was Adam's grandson, but the meaning is clear enough that I can say that anyway. Similarly,

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-24 Thread Stephen Beecroft
Gary, all this side discussion about Alma 13 and such is interesting enough, and I'm happy enough to continue it -- though I suspect that, upon review of the relevant teachings and a careful rereading of Alma's words, you will agree that Alma 13 is much more inclusive than you've been

RE: [ZION] High Priest

2002-10-24 Thread larry . jackson
Stephen Beecroft: -Larry- You're welcome. It came from the Handbook, which I don't think has changed in this regard. I wish I could find that bishop and ask him for a clarification. I am sure he had (and read) the GHI, and I am also sure that he would never intentionally have passed along

RE: [ZION] Calling of Stake Presidents

2002-10-24 Thread larry . jackson
Paul Osborne: Right. The Lord is behind the whole thing. That is what I have been saying all along. ___ You have been taking lessons from John, haven't you! :-) On one occasion I watched visiting general authorities interview well into the evening looking for a new stake