Me, too. The thermometer in hell is sinking lower and lower -- Stephen, Steven,
John and Marc all agree on something!
Just one anecdote, or more detail about my original anecdote. It was the
scripture in Alma (sorry, I'm too lazy to look it up) that JWR referred to which
was the one the SP counsel
This is more of the meaning it still has in Europe, and to a certain extent, in
Canada, although Canada, as in so many things, is halfway between. It has more of
the US meaning here in Alberta, but it has the European meaning more in Ontario,
where I lived for 14 years on two different occasions. T
Here's something else meant to comfort. I sure hope we know what we're doing ;-)
But consider this: an election which was considered fair by external observers
was just held in a very volatile region, the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir,
which is the only Indian state where Moslems predominate,
"John W. Redelfs" wrote:
> At 11:41 PM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Gary Smith wrote:
> >It is partially an issue of maturity/age: placing those who have not had
> >a line authority position requiring HP status, into the HP quorum/group,
> >in order to strengthen the individual and also to strengthen the
Paul Osborne wrote:
>
> And, yes, John gave me some good pointers. I've seen how John operates
> too and have watched him type letters to the list. I've seen his
> computer, chair, book shelves, and table. I can visualize him right now
> in my mind.
>
Having trouble sleeping, are we?
--
Marc
Thanks for elucidating my fuzzification.
Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote:
> Marc: Maybe a little ;-)I've pasted articles below on each victim.
>
> val
>
> > Hmm. Maybe I've got my wires crossed. The one I'm thinking of worked
> > at the time
> > of her death at the FBI (which doesn't say what
At 21:43 10/23/2002 -0500, Gary wrote:
The Brethren had comfortable lives because they earned a comfortable
life.
Not so sure I agree, Gary. Reference Approaching Zion Chapters 4 and
5. Not so sure earned is the correct choice of terms here.
Till
//
At 09:22 PM 10/23/2002, Marc wrote:
the UN Security Council). Nation states are dying as institutions, and
power is
flowing up to super-regions, and down to micro-regions, so the question
will come
to make even less and less sense as the new century unfolds, imo.
--
Marc A. Schindler
I agree,
At 21:46 10/23/2002 -0500, St Paul wrote:
I will admit that I used
to annoyed about it in the past.
Till detects that it is still unresolved
But it is the Lord's church and he can
do whatever he wants, so I have come to accept it.
You're on the right track, though
but I'm sure he had suff
At 02:55 10/24/2002 +, St Stephen wrote:
If a man who has previously served as elder's quorum president, then
been released, is again called to serve, he does not need to have the
keys given him. He already has them. The same applies to a former bishop
who is called to serve again as bishop,
At 01:13 AM 10/24/2002, Marc wrote:
Or put a more positive way: on another list recently we discussed a
scripture in
Isaiah which specifically identifies Mt. Zion as Jerusalem, and how this
appeared
to present a problem with the way it was used by Nephi. We talked a little bit
about typological
At 20:33 10/23/2002 -0800, BLT wrote:
Maybe with satellite technology they will eventually solve the riddle of
the Ark which some suppose is on Ararat to this day. Haven't they used
sophisticated imaging and satellite technology to find roads and cities
buried under the sands of the Arabian p
Oh, they've already solved the mystery of missing socks. That's what the rings of
Saturn are made out of. According to my Dad, anyway.
"Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote:
> At 20:33 10/23/2002 -0800, BLT wrote:
>
> >Maybe with satellite technology they will eventually solve the riddle of
> >the Ark which
Paul (from a post in reply to mine regarding the HP money issue):
> That's really odd. But administrators make more money than
> everyone else under the administration so he has the most
> money. I'm right and you're wrong.
John:
> I think that Paul is being deliberately provocative in order
> t
Deal!!!
Cousin (well, actually Brother, I think) Jon
Cousin Bill wrote:
> At some point in the past, Jon wrote:
>
>
> > Well, I voted for Bush and I will again next time.
> --
> As did many other people that I know and love. I won't hold it (your
voting
> for Bush) against you i
In addition, the argument can backfire, because since the UN was formed, the
number of democracies has risen dramatically. At the time of the creation of the
UN, basically only the OECD countries were democracies. All of Latin America has
more or less become democratized since then, the British Emp
>We know that a temple will be built in Jerusalem before the Second
>Coming. We also know that a temple will be built in Jackson County
before
>the Savior comes. Question: will the temple in Jerusalem have to be
built
>and dedicated under the authority and supervision of the Melchizedek
>pries
FWIW, a lot of people assume Mt. Zion is the temple mount, but it's not, it's to
the west and isn't quite as prominent as Mt. Moriah. I made special note to look
to see what's there now, at the summit. It's basically a parking lot for a Greek
Orthodox seminary and monastery which is built on the we
But because bishop is an ordination in the first instance, I believe that's why we
have the tradition of continuing to call ex-bishops by the honorific "bishop," but
it's a tradition and is certainly not required. But because of this, when I talk to
Mark
privately that's what I call him -- we're
When I lived in Seattle, when I was 14 I got my patriarchal blessing (this was in
the old Renton ward of the Seattle Stake -- there are now 2 or 3 stakes in the
region that old ward covered, which dates me!). The patriarch asked me if I
wouldn't please try to friendship his son, who was going inact
Never, or when you die, or when Christ returns, whichever comes first.
Jon
Cousin Bill wrote:
> At some point in the past, Mark wrote:
>
> > Bill brings up an interesting point. Is it a good idea to work within a
> party in order to change it? Presumably the answer is yes. What if the
> party
I felt the same thing when I was released from my mission. It was an almost
palpable loss.
"Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote:
> At 02:55 10/24/2002 +, St Stephen wrote:
>
> >If a man who has previously served as elder's quorum president, then
> >been released, is again called to serve, he does not ne
>Till, who hopes he hasn't offended
Of course not. I'm the one around here that probably is the most
offensive. When I was a kid I use to through rocks at beehives and shoot
my bee bee gun at the neighbors windows. :-)
Paul O
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>From what I've noticed here in my ward--
Prospective Elders: 98% Inactive*
Elders: Seems like 25-30% Inactive, at least here
High Priests: 5-10% Inactive, but it seems as if the
inactivity occurs mainly for health reasons, such as
an extended hospitalization
As Paul O. noted, Prospective El
-Larry-
> Keys, where needed, are given to the person set apart for
> a calling. He only holds those keys until he is released.
-Stephen-
>How about that? That's directly opposite to what a bishop told me years back. Thanks
>for the clarification.
I concur with Larry. An ordained bishop,
At 12:10 10/24/2002 -0500, St Paul wrote:
I think we have been here before. It's a good subject. I say that the
Jews can't build a temple that the Lord will accept. A temple must be
built and consecrated to the Lord Jesus Christ and the Jews cannot do
that.
The temple in Jerusalem will be built
>We know that a temple will be built in Jerusalem before the Second
>Coming. We also know that a temple will be built in Jackson County
before
>the Savior comes. Question: will the temple in Jerusalem have to be
built
>and dedicated under the authority and supervision of the Melchizedek
>prie
Whoops. Wrong link.
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Sorry 'bout that.
--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
We do not think that there is a
valent to New Jersey when it comes to
comparative land measure:
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--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
We do not think
Here's your little second-hand chuckle for the day.
Ah, I feel sorry for those who can't get CBC Radio One. As I type this
I'm listening to a "Madly Off in All Directions*" concert the
Saskatchewan comedian John Elliott is giving in Pictou (pick-toe, not
pick-too), Nova Scotia, heart of bagpipe co
By the time everyone reads this you'll already know that arrests have been made in
the Washington sniper case. Let's hope they've got 'em.
--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds
>Dan:
>We might be in for a surprise here. The key, I think, is in the actual
>consecration of the temple. The Jews will probably build it, as a
temple,...
>they won't have the authority to
>consecrate it, but the actual construction could be done in the faith
that
>God will provide the means once
Stephen,
You give some nice definitions, but can you show where these definitions
come from? I agree that the term "high priest" can have more than one
meaning, but there are many Church leaders who would disagree with your
Alma 13 assessment, and say that those were, indeed, high priests in the
Why? There's no evidence that he's resurrected. The James that ordained
Joseph Smith was James the Greater, brother of John the Apostle. This
James is brother of Jesus, who converted after the resurrection of
Christ, and became the bishop of Jerusalem, as well as author of the book
of James. For al
Paul and others, just to let you know the process for the calling of a
new stake president:
The General Authorities arrive, and they first interview the current
stake presidency and high council, then the bishops, then other high
priests in the stake, etc.
The GAs don't ask to see the persons wi
Someone on one of the lists I'm active on asked how many saints John
Paul II has canonized. Part of the question implied he's canonized a
record number for a single pope. I believe that's correct, but now have
a number, an answer, but can't remember which list the question appeared
on! Sorry for th
>The GAs don't ask to see the persons with the highest salaries. In fact,
>it isn't a consideration. Usually, they know who it is as soon as the
>person steps into the room, as the Spirit tells them who it should be.
If
>anyone considers the finances, it must be the Lord, because the GAs
don't
>ask
"There are in this greater priesthood five offices or callingselder,
seventy, high priest, patriarch, and apostleyet the priesthood is the
same; and the priesthood is greater than any of its offices. We are a
kingdom of brethren, a congregation of equals, all of whom are entitled
to receive all
"And with reference to all others who also receive the Melchizedek
Priesthood, the scripture saith: And all those who are ordained unto
this priesthood are made like unto the Son of God, abiding a priest
continually. (JST, Heb. 7:3.) That is to say, they will be kings and
priests forever; their p
>Why? There's no evidence that he's resurrected. The James that ordained
>Joseph Smith was James the Greater, brother of John the Apostle. This
>James is brother of Jesus, who converted after the resurrection of
>Christ, and became the bishop of Jerusalem, as well as author of the
book
>of James. F
Stephen Beecroft:
-Larry-
> Keys, where needed, are given to the person set apart for
> a calling. He only holds those keys until he is released.
How about that? That's directly opposite to what a bishop
told me years back. Thanks for the clarification.
___
You're welcome. It cam
-Gary-
> You give some nice definitions, but can you show where these
> definitions come from?
Mostly from the scriptures themselves. I am pretty sure that the Bible
never explicitly specifies that Enos was Adam's grandson, but the
meaning is clear enough that I can say that anyway. Similarly, A
-Larry-
> You're welcome. It came from the Handbook, which I don't
> think has changed in this regard.
I wish I could find that bishop and ask him for a clarification. I am
sure he had (and read) the GHI, and I am also sure that he would never
intentionally have passed along such a blunder. Ei
Gary, all this side discussion about Alma 13 and such is interesting
enough, and I'm happy enough to continue it -- though I suspect that,
upon review of the relevant teachings and a careful rereading of Alma's
words, you will agree that Alma 13 is much more inclusive than you've
been thinking,
Stephen Beecroft:
-Larry-
> You're welcome. It came from the Handbook, which I don't
> think has changed in this regard.
I wish I could find that bishop and ask him for a clarification.
I am sure he had (and read) the GHI, and I am also sure
that he would never intentionally have passed along
Paul Osborne:
Right. The Lord is behind the whole thing. That is what I
have been saying all along.
___
You have been taking lessons from John, haven't you! :-)
On one occasion I watched visiting general authorities
interview well into the evening looking for a new stake
preside
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