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Tres Seaver wrote:
Log message for revision 97465:
Branch removing zope.deferred.
This checkin is the branch I had in mind when sketching out a
non-CPython-only zope.component story today. Notes on the changes:
- - The branch kills off both
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2009/3/4 Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com:
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2009/3/4 Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com:
Log message for revision 97465:
Branch removing zope.deferred
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Martin Aspeli wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote:
- - The branch kills off both the use of 'zope.deferredimport' and the
'bbb' subpackage, leaving something which could be used in Jython, or
IronPython, or the GAE.
Why is zope.deferredimport
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2009/3/4 Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com:
- - Due to the 'test' extra, buildout pulls in a bunch of extra
dependencies, which I would like to zap (ZODB? really? just to
verify that the persistent registry survives
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Hanno Schlichting wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote:
Hanno Schlichting wrote:
I looked at this, but guessing or reliably getting to the zopepy script
wasn't possible. So I added an explicit option to the script instead and
documented
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Martijn Faassen wrote:
Baiju M wrote:
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Dan Korostelev nad...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/3/2 Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com:
-include package=zope.file/
I believe people still use the ZCML slug files like the above
on:
- zope.configuration
- ZODB3
Folks could then work on refactoring the new packages (e.g., depending
on a separate 'persistent' package, making the secuirity bits optional,
etc.).
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this is overkill or not possible; I don't quite understand the
issues involved, but I hope someone who does chips in.
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a good plan to me.
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Hi,
zope.deprecation is used in zope.configuration *only* to turn
off deprecation warning
for BBB, while selectively updating newer pieces. The
more loosely-coupled the pieces are, the more likely such a partial
upgrade is to work.
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do the following:
include package=zope.component name=meta.zcml/
The tiny fraction of hardcore types who actually import the
zope.component.zcml module are certainly competent to adjust those imports.
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Hey Tres,
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2. Move the persistent registry stuff out into another package,
including whatever support is needed to allow for people to migrate
existing persistent references. Effectively, this moves
themselves. :)
Thoughts?
I'm already on record as favoring this strategy. ;)
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is worth keeping.)
Yup. repoze.monty should become just a BBB wrapper.
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Martijn Faassen wrote:
Hi there,
Tres Seaver wrote:
[snip]
Actually, we don't need an upgrade path. We can just leave a
'meta.zcml' in zope.component which includes the new locations. That
file will be *inert*, and doesn't therefore need
requires.
If the testrunner would require 'eggtestinfo', and introspect the extra
data it records, this wouldn't be true any longer.
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undeprecated IView and the other 'bbb' interfaces for exactly
this reason: if core packages still use them five years later, then the
deprecation loses.
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Martijn Faassen wrote:
Hey,
Laurence Rowe wrote:
[snip]
It seems there is a 'tests_require'
One reason that isn't used
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Tres Seaver wrote:
Roger Ineichen wrote:
The zope.container package was broken.
I added a missing ComponentLookupError import.
Yup, and there is no test for that 'browserDefault' raising the error,
either.
Can someone with a linux/windows
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It's just my bash tried to execute `vocabulary` :-)
You've hit on why I hate rstx's backquotes everywhere pattern. ;(
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I would leave the boilerplate alone, on the chance that it makes the
package usable via straight distutils.
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to see the amount of
packages go up.
=lots. Smaller, easier to comprehent packages should be a major goal.
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, whose predicate documents the requirement.
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Martijn Faassen wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote:
[snip]
- -1 on having configuration dependecies, including having mandatory
tests that ZCML will load:
You mean mandatory ZCML loaded by tests? You seem to write the reverse
here, and I don't
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Dieter Maurer wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote at 2009-3-12 14:25 -0400:
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Sorry, I meant mandatory tests which load ZCML. I'm actually against
ever loading ZCML in tests at all.
If you ship ZCML, you should test it, no?
Not necessarily: in fact
will object/reply soon, I'll rename the package and
finally release the refactorings.
Silence is assent. ;)
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requirements discovery design.
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leave it in place, but greatly
separate it from another package components and provide
zope.app.appsetup as an extra dependency (sigh...).
+1 for moving all that stuff into the application.
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Andreas Jung wrote:
On 15.03.2009 18:42 Uhr, Tres Seaver wrote:
Original Message
Subject: [Bug 343079] [NEW] Broken distribution (2009-03-15)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:42:00 -
From: dmaurer die...@handshake.de
Reply
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Andreas Jung wrote:
On 16.03.2009 4:52 Uhr, Tres Seaver wrote:
Andreas Jung wrote:
On 15.03.2009 18:42 Uhr, Tres Seaver wrote:
Original Message
Subject: [Bug 343079] [NEW] Broken distribution (2009-03-15)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009
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Martijn Faassen wrote:
Hey,
Tres Seaver wrote:
[snip]
Doesn't that in some cases make tests harder to understand, as
lower-level APIs are in use that are not as recognizable as the
equivalent ZCML directives? (say, registering an event
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Andreas Jung wrote:
On 16.03.2009 17:21 Uhr, Tres Seaver wrote:
Maybe generating indexes from the varios known good metadata we are
already maintaining would be the right path.
By index you refer to a KGS or a release-specific directory
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Hanno Schlichting wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote:
Andreas Jung wrote:
Please look at the getPackages() method taking the version*cfg files
into account. So all versions should be pinned. However there is
obviously a difference between using buildout
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valuable, too.
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problem is that after making it False on win32 still
breaks seemingly all doctests using system().
The output seemingly matches exactly the expected output, but the
tests burps on it.
Sorry, no clue.
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I mean an index which supplies the 'simple' PyPI interface, such that we
could tell people to 'easy_install' from it, e.g.:
$ /path/to/bin/easy_install -i http
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, because the in-suite versions are problematic for 2to3
conversion (IIRC what Lennart said yesterday).
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for=*
+for=* zope.publisher.interfaces.IRequest
+provides=zope.traversing.interfaces.ITraversable
factory=zope.traversing.namespace.etc
/
...
Excellent fix.
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a
checkout from a password-protected SVN-over-HTTP(S) server.
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Chris Withers wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote:
Chris Withers wrote:
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I mean an index which supplies the 'simple' PyPI interface, such that we
could tell people to 'easy_install' from it, e.g
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), but that would only happen if the consensus
of the members and the wider community were clearly in favor of a move.
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Chris Withers wrote:
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Personally, I evaluate such eggs in a sandbox, and then add them to the
project-specific index once I'm sure that they work with the other
software in the index: I don't use PyPI at all when building out
be a committer?),
while the other is doing mechanism (get approved committers set up).
The groups don't have to overlap, as long as the workflow is clear.
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be sensible to distribute
both variants, actually.
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though.
PyPI won't work for non-eggified products.
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, which is wildly incompatible. I think the 3.5.3
release tag should be copied as 3.6.0, and a 3.5.4 should be released
which reverts this change.
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Chris Withers wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote:
Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 08:32, Dieter Maurer die...@handshake.de wrote:
Because members put there content (product implementations) still usable?
Absolutely right. In the long run
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Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Previously Chris Withers wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote:
KGS the
concept is very easy to implement; you just make available on some URL a
buildout versions.cfg, or you run your own package index.
OK, the former I can see
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Hanno Schlichting wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote:
Roger Ineichen wrote:
Log message for revision 97754:
Use applySkin from new location zope.publisher.skinnable
instead of zope.publisher.browser.
This change breaks older packages who might expect
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KGS the
concept is very easy to implement; you just make available
attached patch).
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of a
Python 3 compatible
zope.interface.
Maybe something like 'soleImplementor'?
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Chris Withers wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Previously Chris Withers wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote:
KGS the
concept is very easy to implement; you just make available on some URL
a
buildout versions.cfg, or you run your own package index.
OK
is really an app server / pluggable application,
rather than a web framework.
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Shane Hathaway wrote:
discussion type=bikeshed
Tres Seaver wrote:
WRT the Framework name: framework is a misleading name for the
collection of packages salvaged from the new Coke effort: it is
actually a *bunch* of frameworks, in the classic
to the-libraries-harvested-from-Zope3
(at least, the folks who might care are a tiny minority for branding
purposes).
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community
users: Grok and BFG do match what they mean, more or less.
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Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 05:34, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
Hanno Schlichting wrote:
The current line of thinking for Plone is about this: Plone 4 will still
run on Zope2. Plone 5 will run on Python 3.x
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Martin Aspeli wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
To stir things up: I would like to suggest renumbering the next
Zope 2
release
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On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
Plone could run on something like the Zope Framework without running
on Zope 2.
That would be feasible, except that a ton of Plone's features depend on
Zope2-specific machinery
, or I would have
run the tests myself and found the failure.
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zope.app.generations to upgrade the DB schema in my web
project, and in future I want to use ZODB3 in my desktop-only
projects.
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incarnation, too: the C bits are all optional at this point.
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$ bin/alltests
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) don't configure
their applications inside a container supplied by the appserver: they
wire them in via an external configuration mechanism (e.g., a Paste INI
file, or a script called at startup).
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be easiest to ship an app (as opposed to developing it)
with the generated python code on disk, and configure it not to
regenerate at all: at that point, lxml would be a build-time dependency.
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to maintain
the packages necessary to create a simple application out of the box.
This is just an academic interest :)
I would say that the answer is no.
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- -1: I think both of those will be true. I also don't see much win.
The major goal should be to unify the API for add-ons, rather than the
implementation: your #1 and #2 alaready did that, I think.
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+
+ tearDown()
+
+
def test_suite():
from Testing.ZopeTestCase import ZopeDocTestSuite
return ZopeDocTestSuite()
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the Plone developers platform
vs. application debate (which isn't yet resolved AFAIK).
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Tres Seaver wrote:
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Log message for revision 99146:
Let the permission / directive auto-register permissions that don't
exist already
This kind of test
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) but not all of it (hence, you are trying to
render a ZPT which uses /path/to/template/macros/main). Likely there is
a missing adapter registration or six in there.
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of the transition
(rather than the branding / perception ones).
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Chris Withers wrote:
Tres Seaver wrote:
It means that you have *part* of the WebDAV machinery wired up (hence
the NullResource objects) but not all of it (hence, you are trying to
render a ZPT which uses /path/to/template/macros/main). Likely
it elsewhere. The tarballs should
be removed from download.zope.org, as well.
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code, without a special
exemption from the ZF board or its delegate (nobody is yet appointed to
handle this).
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who are using Zope 3 can
certainly cope with a split / rename.
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knows what's going on here?
Maybe nobody else cares enough to do the debugging you're too lazy to do? ;)
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/activate' part should be unnecessary (I never use it,
and I use *lots* of virtualenvs).
- - I propose the following for the index URL:
http://download.zope.org/Zope2/index/2.12.0a3
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Am 19.04.2009 um 10:52 schrieb Andreas Jung:
Supported, documented and recommended
contain only Zope-related known good
packages.
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, please forward this e-mail to them
Thank you for your cooperation, and for your continued support of Zope!
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