VACList-Digest Wednesday, November 21, 2001 Issue 130
Today's Topics:
1. Re:
2. Re:
3. 2500 HD
4. Re:
5. Re: Chris Deam - hillbilly interiors
6. Re: 2500 HD
7. Argosy Endcaps
8. Fiberglass end caps.
9. Re: Chris Deam - hillbilly interiors
10. Re:
11. Re: 2500 HD
12. Re: 2500 HD
13. Re: 2500 HD Mileage Comparison
14. Re: 2500 HD (more)
15. gas additives?
16. Re: gas additives?
17. Re: 2500 HD (more)
18. Re: Chris Deam - hillbilly interiors
19. Re: Can-Am Canada
20. Vintage Airstream Survey
21. Re: Chris Deam - hillbilly interiors
22. Re: composites, glue etc.
23. Re: Chris Deam - hillbilly interiors
24. Re: Chris Deam - hillbilly interiors
25. Hensley Arrow Hitch
26. Re: Hensley Arrow Hitch
27. Re: Hensley Arrow Hitch
28. Re: Hensley Arrow Hitch
29. [A/S] Return from Pacific NW
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Message Number: 1
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:38:07 -0500
From: Jerry Jarrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
> ------------------------------
>
> Message Number: 2
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:24:05 -0800
> From: RJ & Krista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: 58 Overlander
>
Thanks R. J., Charlie & Betty for the info on the gaping hole in the ceiling that is
about to be filled with a 12 v. Fantastic Fan. I don't see any substantial bracing to
support an AC. Thanks you guys! As always you are there when we "novices" break some
I think I am going to install a small AC unit under the fridge with a hole in the
floor for it to "breath." I have a friend in the refrigeration business that has
volunteered to help me install it. I like that idea better than having a giant "toad"
peJerry (Middle GA)
58 Overlander
WBCCI - VAC
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Message Number: 2
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:47:39 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
In a message dated 11/20/01 4:30:26 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Subject: [VAC] Bad Karma
> Did anyone see "Crossing Jordan" on NBC tonight? They are chasing a
>serial killer called "Digger," who abducts young women and buries them
>alive. Get this: Digger lives in a trailer park...in an Airstream...looks
>like about 27 ft. Not good to have serial killers pulling Airstreams.
> It gets worse...they get to close to him, and he leaves in his truck,
>leaving a *burning* Airstream behind. Looked very real; so, they may have
>actually burned one. Horrors! Bad dreams tonight. >>
You think THAT's bad.....check out Noelle Hampton's cd....self titled. The
first song opens...."He lived in an Airstream....never talked to anyone..."
about a seriel killer. SO, of course, I sought her out and personally asked
her WHY she connected him with an Airstream....and....she said, "it's a true
story". UGH, it continues..."he drove an 18 wheeler, in the black of
night....down Highway 101..." The song's called Murder and Mayhem.....better
yet, she may use one of mine for a concert one day, lol.....
If this gets ONTO the VAC, fine, if not....it's a little tidbit for you RJ
and T!! :)
TPR
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Message Number: 3
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:43:36 -0600
From: jim clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 2500 HD
I'm looking for a mileage comparison from anyone with a 2500 HD with a 6
Liter gas and 4.2 rear end...
Thanks in advance... ( my first check is less than 10 mpg..empty!!.)
Jim Clark
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message Number: 4
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:51:49 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
In a message dated 11/20/01 4:30:26 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< > The only objection I have is a quote by the designer, Christopher Deam.
He
> said, about Airstreams shrinking customer base, "Young people aren't going
> to get in that old trailer that hillbillies and your parents used..."
>
> What's with that? >>
Hmmmm, bet you a lot of the young ones aren't going to touch this....email
off line if you want to go into it further....you NOW have my address, lol....
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Message Number: 5
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:12:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Toby Folwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Chris Deam - hillbilly interiors
Sounds like that was a stupid thing to say on his part
- but maybe he's not insulting the "hillbillyness" of
the old airstreams, but insulting the intelligence of
us younger streamers by assuming that we're that
superficial!
I have no interest in sharing my feelings about this
old topic. it seems to resurface a bit too often, but
airstream can do whatever they want, and that's dandy
with me - I personally won't be buying an airstream
that's held together with glue instead of rivets.
Toby
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to love being around us..."
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Message Number: 6
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:17:24 -0500
From: Bob Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2500 HD
My 96 3/4 454 3.73 gets 10 in the city and 13 on the highway, without the
Airstream. Mileage with the Overlander is 8 to 10.
Bob
At 08:43 PM 11/20/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>I'm looking for a mileage comparison from anyone with a 2500 HD with a 6
>Liter gas and 4.2 rear end...
>Thanks in advance... ( my first check is less than 10 mpg..empty!!.)
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Message Number: 7
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:06:46 -0600
From: Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Argosy Endcaps
Dan again, with the 75 Argosy 26. I have seen Argosys with steel end caps,
and like you, had heard there were fiberglass ones also. I can report, as a
guy who has messed around with and repaired fiberglass boats for a lifetime,
that my end caps are definitely fiberglass. They're not metallic, much less
magnetic, and there's gray gelcoat under the paint. More than this, I know
not.
Dan
> From: VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:31:36 -0800
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC]
>
> Argosy Experts:
>
> A year or two ago I mentioned in a message to the group what someone who
> claimed to know about these matters told me re: the composition of the
> Argosy endcaps. He told me that they were fiberglass. I looked at this
> particular trailer and decided that it sure looked like fiberglass to me.
> Not knowing one way or the other (I thought they were steel) I passed this
> piece of info on to the group for comment.
>
> I was then informed, in no uncertain terms, that the caps were steel and to
> suggest otherwise was "rubbish" (among other things, as I recall).
>
> So just for the record, anybody know what is the story here?
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Message Number: 8
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:08:11 -0600
From: Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fiberglass end caps.
Mine is fiberglass both inside AND out, for sure.
Dan
75 Argosy 26
> From: VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:31:36 -0800
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VAC]
>
> My guess is fiberglass inside, steel outside.
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Message Number: 9
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:05:28 -0600
From: GeorgeHumphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Chris Deam - hillbilly interiors
Hi Toby and the VAC group,
I have to admit to ignorance of this string of e-mail,
and I am not about to touch the hillbilly stuff, but I
can speak a little to glue in place of rivets. Many of the
leading aircraft manufacturers are now using glue in
place of rivets. If you fly a recent corporate jet sized
aircraft, it is an aluminum structure much like the
Airstream with composite skins glued to the structure.
Some even use composite structure. And guess what?
They are stronger, more durable and will outlast the
riveted aluminum. Rivets and use of the vehicle
impart stress cracks that start at the holes. Glued joints
do not contribute to the start of the stress cracks. If
Airstream were to start using glued joints, I for one
would love to have one. One of the major causes of
leaks between the skins are the rivets and their
contribution to gaps, holes, cracks and broken seals.
The glued joints on an Airstream will even outlast the ones
on the road now, and I still don't know how long they
will last because this group just keeps them going,
and going, and going, (like the eveready battery bunny).
hi hi
George
'89 Excella 29'
At 07:12 PM 11/20/01 -0800, you wrote:
>Sounds like that was a stupid thing to say on his part
>- but maybe he's not insulting the "hillbillyness" of
>the old airstreams, but insulting the intelligence of
>us younger streamers by assuming that we're that
>superficial!
>
>I have no interest in sharing my feelings about this
>old topic. it seems to resurface a bit too often, but
>airstream can do whatever they want, and that's dandy
>with me - I personally won't be buying an airstream
>that's held together with glue instead of rivets.
>
>Toby
>
>=====
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us...and for songs to love being around us..."
>
>http://www.tobyfolwick.com
>Minneapolis, MN
>
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Message Number: 10
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:03:29 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
Dometic makes a heat pump intended for installation in a cabinet near
the floor. Doesn't take any adaptation of a window unit. Last month I
thought I found it on the internet priced at about $795. 12,500 BTU/h
cooling capacity.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 11
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 04:28:31
From: "H. A. K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2500 HD
Hey ---
I resemble those remarks....
95 dodge v10 3.73 rear end....
10-13 and down to 8 pulling a fully loaded trailer over the mountain
passes.....
this is just about as good as it gets....
hak
>My 96 3/4 454 3.73 gets 10 in the city and 13 on the highway, without the
>Airstream. Mileage with the Overlander is 8 to 10.
>Bob
>
>
>At 08:43 PM 11/20/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>>I'm looking for a mileage comparison from anyone with a 2500 HD with a 6
>>Liter gas and 4.2 rear end...
>>Thanks in advance... ( my first check is less than 10 mpg..empty!!.)
>
>
>
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Message Number: 12
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:43:54 -0600
From: lefty frizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2500 HD
Sounds about right. Was this with or without trailer?
Lefty Frizzell
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
jim clark
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 8:44 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] 2500 HD
I'm looking for a mileage comparison from anyone with a 2500 HD with a 6
Liter gas and 4.2 rear end...
Thanks in advance... ( my first check is less than 10 mpg..empty!!.)
Jim Clark
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Message Number: 13
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:34:25 -0600
From: KEVIN D ALLEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2500 HD Mileage Comparison
Greetings Jim!
You don't mention the odometer reading on your 2500 HD, but I am assuming it
is probably under 12,000 miles. With my last two new GM tow vehicles (1995
K1500 Chevrolet Z71 Club Cab and 1999 K2500 GMC Suburban) the fuel economy
did not stabilize at its best figures until the odometer hit 35,000 miles.
The '99 has the 7400 Vortec, 4.10 differentials, and the special order HD
automatic overdrive transmission - - my current average is 15 MPG solo 12
MPG towing ('64 Overlander International) - - my lowest figures have been 12
MPG solo 9 MPG towing in the Rocky Mountains. I always use premium grade
Mobil gasoline and carefully follow the owner's manual recommendations for
maintenance in severe duty use. I try never to exceed 60 MPH when towing
and rarely exceed 65 MPH when driving solo on the Interstate -- 99% of my
highway driving is with the factory cruise control in use, and the
transmission is in overdrive at all times except when hunting starts in the
mountains. The rig currently has 70,000 miles (I special ordered this
vehicle new) with about 40% or a little more towing the Airstream. The
truck has a 10,000 trailer tow rating and my Overlander maxes out at about
6,000 pounds fully loaded for a summer of travel.
I wouldn't panic about mileage just yet, especially if you have under 20,000
miles on the odometer.
Good luck with your new tow vehicle.
Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI/VAC #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
----- Original Message -----
From: "jim clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 8:43 PM
Subject: [VAC] 2500 HD
> I'm looking for a mileage comparison from anyone with a 2500 HD with a 6
> Liter gas and 4.2 rear end...
> Thanks in advance... ( my first check is less than 10 mpg..empty!!.)
>
> Jim Clark
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Message Number: 14
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:12:57 -0600
From: jim clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2500 HD (more)
>I'm looking for a mileage comparison from anyone with a 2500 HD with a 6
>Liter gas and 4.2 rear end...
>Thanks in advance... ( my first check is less than 10 mpg..empty!!.)
>
I have 260 miles on the truck, with the last 86 or so being me running
around getting parts for the truck... I was told the gas tank was full when
I picked it up and the gauge looked full to me... I can only hope some of
the 180 miles on the truck when I picked it up was from the same tank....I
was somewhat surprised at the altitude of the truck since I got the 2W
version... with the HD, the thing is as high as a 4W off road
version....Mary is currently using a stool she made at a rally with a dog
leash tied around it to get in... so far she is just jumping out..I
actually bought a two step ladder to check the oil...I plan to add running
boards...
.I was kind of expecting 12-14 mpg with an eventual 15 or so on the
highway....the 9.5 kind of scared me.... not using much high gear in
town... seems to take a long time to cycle through the gears.... I have not
used the "tow mode" as yet... The shift points are even more delayed there
and the overdrive came in at about 60 on the last truck when in tow
mode....I would have expected this with the 8 Liter engine, but this seems
pretty bad for a 360 cube engine....I notice that the trans temp is about
150 when the truck is warmed up... less most of the time....
Thanks for your comments and I will keep an eye on it after it gets to a
couple of thousand miles...
Jim Clark
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Message Number: 15
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:30:43 -0600
From: jim clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: gas additives?
Does anyone use any kind of gas additive in their truck... during
break-in??? later???
Jim Clark
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Message Number: 16
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:14:29 -0600
From: lefty frizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gas additives?
I never have...but, you keep a close eye on the oil in that thing.
Until the rings seat, it can use more oil than you expect.
Lefty Frizzell
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
jim clark
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 12:31 AM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] gas additives?
Does anyone use any kind of gas additive in their truck... during
break-in??? later???
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Message Number: 17
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:34:29 -0500
From: "Robert Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2500 HD (more)
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Jim
I have a Chevy Reg. cab short bed with the 5.7 liter (350 engine) .
The mileage listed on the sticker when I bought it new in '89, was 12MPG =
City 16MPG Highway.
The gas mileage seemed to improve with age. I now get about 15-16 City 21=
on the Highway, 12 towing the A/S. =20
It's still going strong with almost 200,000 miles on it.
Bobby
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From: jim clark
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 2:05 AM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: 2500 HD (more)
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Message Number: 18
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:40:40 -0600
From: "Jim Combs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Chris Deam - hillbilly interiors
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>Airstream were to start using glued joints, I for one
>would love to have one. One of the major causes of
>leaks between the skins are the rivets and their
>contribution to gaps, holes, cracks and broken seals.
I can't argue with your logic. I gotta wonder though,
25 years from now, how would you go about restoring
a glued Airstream?
Drilling out the old rivets, and popping in new has
been a big part of accessing the work I've needed to
do to my coach. I might start buying 1/8" drill bits
in bulk. ;^] How would you un-glue the interior skin,
for example, to get to the u-channel and make a floor
repair?
Jimbo / '76 Sovereign
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Airstream were to start using glued joints, I for one</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>would love to have one. One of the major causes of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>leaks between the skins are the rivets and their </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I can't argue with your logic. I gotta wonder though, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>25 years from now, how would you go about restoring </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Drilling out the old rivets, and popping in new has </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>been a big part of accessing the work I've needed to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>do to my coach. I might start buying 1/8" drill bits
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>in bulk. ;^] How would you un-glue the interior skin, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>for example, to get to the u-channel and make a floor </FONT>
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Message Number: 19
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:38:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Doug Rowbottom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can-Am Canada
After recent work on my 67 Safari (alignment) I want
to thank Can-Am and John Hoeksta in service for
standing behind their work and getting the job done
right.
Good to know that we have such a resource in Canada to
help keep these trailers on the road.
With the value of the U.S. dollar in Canada it may be
worth the drive north to get work done as these people
have been fixing Airstreams for over 30 years and know
whats what on an old trailer.
No connection to Can-Am just a Happy customer.
Check them out at http://www.can-am-rv.com
Doug #3327
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Message Number: 20
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:39:29 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Vintage Airstream Survey
Hi all,
I received the survey form via snail mail from Coop yesterday. I am
currently creating a digital version with new drawings done in Adobe
Illustrator. When complete, I will be able to email a .pdf to anyone
interested. Give me this long weekend and it should be complete.
Brad Norgaard
'59 Trade Wind
Phoenix
WBCCI #2699, VAC
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Message Number: 21
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:04:47 -0600
From: GeorgeHumphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Chris Deam - hillbilly interiors
Great Questions Jimbo,
I certainly don't have all of the answers, but the
same round of questions posed problems to aircraft
modification and maintenance facilities within the
last 10 years. If the move is to composites, they
are easy to cut out the bad area and splice in
new material and reglue, however we had to learn
a bunch of new processes and retrain our mechanics
and maintenance personnel. The government also helped
by developing repair guides and maintenance
instructions, but it is a whole new ball game.
Of course the proponents said we wouldn't have to
repair as often, and they may have been right.
It will take time to tell for sure. Raytheon devleoped
an all composite aircraft and has not been able to
sell it, they say it is too expensive. They have
retooled and now are producing a composite fulselage
and metal wings to reduce cost. We will see!!!
George
'89 Excella 29'
At 09:40 AM 11/21/01 -0600, you wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: GeorgeHumphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>[snip]
>>Airstream were to start using glued joints, I for one
>>would love to have one. One of the major causes of
>>leaks between the skins are the rivets and their
>>contribution to gaps, holes, cracks and broken seals. I gotta wonder
>though,
>25 years from now, how would you go about restoring
> Drilling out the old rivets, and popping in new has
>been a big part of accessing the work I've needed to
> " drill bits
> How would you un-glue the interior skin,
>for example, to get to the u-channel and make a floor
>repair? Jimbo / '76 Sovereign
>
>
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Message Number: 22
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:23:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Toby Folwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: composites, glue etc.
not sure if it was in the late 70's or 80's that
Airstream started using glue in addition to rivets -
there are fewer rivets on the new ones.
so, I guess my point is that they can be had - Hunter
Hampton (AirstreamList on yahoo) has a trailer that
has had to be repaired, and they used a combination of
glue and rivets. (as it was originally built.)
I guess I like the rivets - it's been tested for
(coming up on) 70 years with the old style airstreams.
that's a dang good record for a travel trailer. mine
just turned 42 and there is no evidence of panels
falling off, or (luckily) any leaks not due to broken
windows or vents.
BUT - the rivets are in there every inch or two - lots
of 'em and the pieces aren't going anywhere.
...the beauty of over-engineering...
Toby
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Message Number: 23
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:55:42 -0600
From: "Jim Combs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Chris Deam - hillbilly interiors
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[snips]
>Of course the proponents said we wouldn't have to
>repair as often, and they may have been right.
Good point. Nothing lasts forever though. New and
improved technologies can be good things. Of course,
there is much to be said for the old tried-and-true
as well. As far as aircraft, look how the ~50 year
old B-52's are still one of our strongest military
planes.
>It will take time to tell for sure. Raytheon devleoped
>an all composite aircraft and has not been able to
>sell it, they say it is too expensive. They have
>retooled and now are producing a composite fulselage
>and metal wings to reduce cost. We will see!!!
Tuna is on his way to building a prototype of sorts
along this line. I think composites are on his list
of modern materials to be used. But -- I'd guess
that he sticks with rivets.
Jimbo / '76 Sovereign
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>[snips]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Of course the proponents said we wouldn't have to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>repair as often, and they may have been right.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Good point. Nothing lasts forever though. New and </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>improved technologies can be good things. Of course, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>there is much to be said for the old tried-and-true </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>as well. As far as aircraft, look how the ~50 year </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>old B-52's are still one of our strongest military </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>planes.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>>It will take time to tell for sure. Raytheon devleoped</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>an all composite aircraft and has not been able to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>sell it, they say it is too expensive. They have </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>retooled and now are producing a composite fulselage</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>and metal wings to reduce cost. We will see!!!</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Tuna is on his way to building a prototype of sorts </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>along this line. I think composites are on his list </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>of modern materials to be used. But -- I'd guess </FONT>
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Message Number: 24
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:19:37 -0800
From: Tuna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Chris Deam - hillbilly interiors
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RE: [VAC] Re: Chris Deam - hillbilly interiorsI'm not finding the composite 'deck'
material for the floor replacement, but i've been playing around with making my own
'floor sandwich'... btw, one of the first things investigators found on the recent
Ameri
Tuna
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Combs
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:55 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Chris Deam - hillbilly interiors
-----Original Message-----
From: GeorgeHumphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[snips]
>Of course the proponents said we wouldn't have to
>repair as often, and they may have been right.
Good point. Nothing lasts forever though. New and
improved technologies can be good things. Of course,
there is much to be said for the old tried-and-true
as well. As far as aircraft, look how the ~50 year
old B-52's are still one of our strongest military
planes.
>It will take time to tell for sure. Raytheon devleoped
>an all composite aircraft and has not been able to
>sell it, they say it is too expensive. They have
>retooled and now are producing a composite fulselage
>and metal wings to reduce cost. We will see!!!
Tuna is on his way to building a prototype of sorts
along this line. I think composites are on his list
of modern materials to be used. But -- I'd guess
that he sticks with rivets.
Jimbo / '76 Sovereign
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm not finding the composite 'deck' material for
the floor replacement, but i've been playing around with making my own 'floor
sandwich'... btw, one of the first things investigators found on the recent
American Airlines crash in the Rockaways was the failure of some glue/composite
joins.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tuna</FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From:
GeorgeHumphrey [<A
href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>[snips]</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>Of course the proponents said we
wouldn't have to</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>repair as often, and they may
have been right.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Good point. Nothing lasts forever though. New and
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2>improved technologies can be good things. Of
course, </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>there is much to be said for the old
tried-and-true </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>as well. As far as aircraft, look
how the ~50 year </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>old B-52's are still one of our
strongest military </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>planes.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>>It will take time to tell for sure. Raytheon
devleoped</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>an all composite aircraft and has not
been able to</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>sell it, they say it is too
expensive. They have </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>retooled and now are
producing a composite fulselage</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>and metal wings to
reduce cost. We will see!!!</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2> </FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Tuna is on his way to building a prototype of sorts </FONT><BR><FONT
size=2>along this line. I think composites are on his list
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2>of modern materials to be used. But -- I'd guess
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2>that he sticks with rivets. </FONT></P>
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Message Number: 25
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:59:55 -0600
From: "Don Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hensley Arrow Hitch
Well, I now have my Hensley installed, had Bob Jones RV here in Houston put
it on. Still working on the Strut adjustment, but I can tell the difference
in the 20 miles that I towed it back home. I do have a question. When
everything is hooked up, the trailer sets a couple of inches down in the
front at the hitch. My Suburban is level, but the clearance at the bottom of
the spring bars is real low and I even drug bottom a little while pulling
into a parking lot. I have the hitch bar with the 8" inch drop and I think I
need the next one up. Any comments from Hensley owners would be appreciated.
Thanks
Don Hardman
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Message Number: 26
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:39:18 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hensley Arrow Hitch
Don,
I had the same problem when I installed my Hensley last January. The
factory sent me a tow bar with a 6" drop, which turned out to be way too
much. I had to call them and exchange it for a 4, which worked much better.
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign
Mesa, AZ
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Message Number: 27
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:38:40 -0600
From: jim clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hensley Arrow Hitch
Don:
My understanding is that the Hensley adds about 6" to the top of the tow
bar. My calculations would put the top of the bar at 13 " to put the ball
at 19.... If you are hanging lower than that, you might want to trade
bars... they come every 2" from straight to what you have ... I picked 19
more because that is what I use rather than any knowledge about your
trailer.. you might want to check your manual for the correct measurement...
My previous truck used a 2" rise to level everything up and the new one
uses a 4" drop according to Hensley... My measurements said 5" would be
about right, but no 5... We picked 4" hoping the truck would squat down a
bit when I got everything loaded and the trailer hooked up....
The trade process is easy.. just call and they will have you a new one in a
few days...wait for the orange return paper in the mail, and send the old
one back in the box the new one came in... ( with the orange paper inside..)
Good Luck...
Jim... PS.. keep the safety chains between the bars, they will cause the
hitch to break itself up if you don't....
At 01:59 PM 11/21/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>Well, I now have my Hensley installed, had Bob Jones RV here in Houston put
>it on. Still working on the Strut adjustment, but I can tell the difference
>in the 20 miles that I towed it back home. I do have a question. When
>everything is hooked up, the trailer sets a couple of inches down in the
>front at the hitch. My Suburban is level, but the clearance at the bottom of
>the spring bars is real low and I even drug bottom a little while pulling
>into a parking lot. I have the hitch bar with the 8" inch drop and I think I
>need the next one up. Any comments from Hensley owners would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>
>Don Hardman
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 28
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:54:39 -0600
From: "Don Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hensley Arrow Hitch
I called the Hensley folks and the hitch bar I have is referred to as the 6"
bar, it has a 6" drop but top to bottom measurers 8". After going over my
measurements and discussing the low clearance, they agreed that it was to
much of a drop and are sending me the 4" bar no charge.. That 2 inches
should make a lot of difference. Really nice people.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 2:39 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Hensley Arrow Hitch
> Don,
>
> I had the same problem when I installed my Hensley last January. The
> factory sent me a tow bar with a 6" drop, which turned out to be way too
> much. I had to call them and exchange it for a 4, which worked much
better.
>
>
> Roger Hightower
> WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
> 1975 31' Sovereign
> Mesa, AZ
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
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Message Number: 29
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:34:17 -0400
From: D Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [A/S] Return from Pacific NW
Hi everyone,
We're back from the second double sob MH take the parents on the road.
Highlights: Mt St. Helens, Olympic Pen.
Camped On the beach three times and once on a lake, many times we looked
like a promo shot for RV's.
Great time except for the events of 11th, which seemed very distant,
getting closer, especially flying back into Boston.
If anyone wants details of where we stayed, let me know.
Good to be home, I stayed in the shower for 30 min.
Daisy
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