VACList-Digest Wednesday, December 5, 2001 Issue 141
Today's Topics:
1. Re: The "Ultimate" Tow vehicle
2. Re: Floor from hell
3. Re: The "Ultimate" Tow vehicle
4. Re: The "Ultimate" Tow vehicle
5. OK, were back on the air..
6. Re: OK, were back on the air..
7. Thank You RJ
8. Re:
9. Re: OK, were back on the air..
10. Re: Fresh water tank
11. Long, Long Trailer
12. Re: Tow vehicle, 6 cyl and stick
13. Re: Tow vehicle, 6 cyl and stick
14. Re: ow Vehicles for 24 Foot Trade Wind
15. Re: Tow vehicle, 6 cyl and stick
16. Re: Water Pump Question
17. Re: Tow vehicle, 6 cyl and stick
18. Re: Fresh water tank
19. Re: Tow vehicle, 6 cyl and stick
20. Re: Long, Long Trailer
21. Re: Tow vehicle, Don't go too small
22. Re:
23. Re:
24. Airstream Internet Relay Chat (IRC)
25. tachometer connection
26. Re: Tow Vehicle
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Message Number: 1
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:03:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Susan Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The "Ultimate" Tow vehicle
To each their own, however I wouldn't trade my Hummer
wagon for anything else - and they do make for a great
tow vehicle for a vintage Airstream. Both are unique
and not for everyone, however I think that's what
makes them go together so well. They each are the
ultimate in their class (in my opinion anyway).
Regards,
Susan
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Message Number: 2
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:16:16 -0600
From: "Bob Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Floor from hell
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> I have a 58 Traveler that I have STARTED removing the floors on.. =
I have been reading this list for months specially when it deals with =
floors. I'm stuck , I have taken out the front lower skin and unscrewed =
the small screws ............
>From BH62GT/SC:
I've removed and patched 5 different rotted floor areas in my '62 Globe =
Trotter, the most recent area at the front. Battery acid had leaked =
through cracks and corroded the channel at the floor between skins, and =
a leak in the water tank had rotted the floor in the front curbside =
corner. Have you got the belly pan off? That might give you a better =
idea of what you're dealing with. On mine, there is a heavy steel plate =
riveted inside the outer skin to provide stiffening for the battery box =
(mounted under front window). I wonder if some of your floor removal =
problem might be related to something like that? Also, I noticed that =
there are bolts under that front channel (on the floor between skins) =
which bolt the floor plywood to the front tongue framework. The bolt =
heads are hidden by that aluminum "sill plate" channel. Awfully sneaky =
of them to do it that way. You should be able to locate them and cut =
them from the inside with a metal-cutting blade on a Sawzall. Good =
luck!
p.s. - did I miss something big while I've been away? Is that THE Lefty =
F. in our discussion group? =20
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Message Number: 3
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:33:09 -0600
From: lefty frizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The "Ultimate" Tow vehicle
After years, of gamma-goats, Duece and a halfs, 3/4 ton Utility Truck, The
Mule, and the venerable M151A1, I just find it hard to get caught up in
what's in reality just another pickup.
Lefty Frizzell
http://home.users.earthink.net/~leftyfrizzell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Andersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 04 December 01 20:03
Subject: [VAC] Re: The "Ultimate" Tow vehicle
To each their own, however I wouldn't trade my Hummer
wagon for anything else - and they do make for a great
tow vehicle for a vintage Airstream. Both are unique
and not for everyone, however I think that's what
makes them go together so well. They each are the
ultimate in their class (in my opinion anyway).
Regards,
Susan
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Message Number: 4
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:49:29 -0500
From: "Robert Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The "Ultimate" Tow vehicle
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Can't afford something like that! Heck that's why I have an old Airstream=
. Ever priced a new one? Wow!
My 1988 Chevy 4X4 with granny low 4 speed 350 ZR-1 engine cost me $12,840=
.00, including tax and tag. =20
It's only 13 years old and doing good I'm just waiting till it grows into=
an extra cab diesel. =20
It tows 8900 pounds according to the label in the glove box. I know it pu=
lls a '73 29 footer pretty well.
Bobby =20
=20
----- Original Message -----
From: David W. Lowrey
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:13 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] The "Ultimate" Tow vehicle
=20
My wife and I drove by the local Hummer dealership today, and she asked m=
e
how much a HumVee could tow.
I really didnt know, so we stopped in and asked. Turns out that the ragto=
p
version can tow up to 7900 pounds on the road, 5000 offroad.
At ONLY $103,000 it would make a very unique tow vehicle for an vintage
airstream.... :-)
Dave
P.S. - for more info, see: http://www.hummer.com (A very nicely done web
site, IMHO)
_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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omething like that! Heck that's why I have an old Airstream. Ever priced =
a new one? Wow!</DIV> <DIV>My 1988 Chevy 4X4 with granny low 4 speed 350 =
ZR-1 engine cost me $12,840.00, including tax and tag. </DIV> <DIV>It's o=
nly 13 years old and doing good I'm just waiting till it grows into an ex=
tra cab diesel. </DIV> <DIV>It tows 8900 pounds according to the label in=
the glove box. I know it pulls a '73 29 footer pretty well.</DIV> <DIV>&=
nbsp;</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bobby </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <B=
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001 1:13 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> Multiple rec=
ipients of VACList</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> =
[VAC] The "Ultimate" Tow vehicle</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>My wife and I dro=
ve by the local Hummer dealership today, and she asked me<BR>how much a H=
umVee could tow.<BR><BR>I really didnt know, so we stopped in and asked. =
Turns out that the ragtop<BR>version can tow up to 7900 pounds on the roa=
d, 5000 offroad.<BR><BR>At ONLY $103,000 it would make a very unique tow =
vehicle for an vintage<BR>airstream.... :-)<BR><BR>Dave<BR><BR>P.S.=
- for more info, see: http://www.hummer.com (A very nicely done we=
b<BR>site, IMHO)<BR><BR>_________________________________________________=
________________<BR>Dave & Ann Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]<BR><BR>=
WBCCI: 5074<BR><BR>1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)<BR>Cinc=
innati, Ohio<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>To unsubscribe or change to a daily Diges=
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Message Number: 5
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:52:05 -0800
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OK, were back on the air..
Ughh. Sorry about the 3 day List "vacation". AT&T has restored the
internet connection for the List (and me).
I never thought for one minute that lousy judge would allow @Home to shut
down all those customers. "Minor inconvenience" he said. Tell that to the
people who telecommute, have home offices, trade stocks, do ebay, etc.
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out some of the bugs, and the messages may be out whack, especially the
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Message Number: 6
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:54:59 -0700
From: "Brad Norgaard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OK, were back on the air..
Thanks RJ for taking care of us...I'm just now getting my Aluminatii fix.
Brad N.
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> Ughh. Sorry about the 3 day List "vacation". AT&T has restored the
> internet connection for the List (and me).
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Message Number: 7
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:14:21 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Thank You RJ
RJ & List Monitors,
Thank you for all the extra work you do to allow the rest of us to enjoy
this site.
Your volunteer work is appreciated.
It's nice to be back!
Paul
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Message Number: 8
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:16:30 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
Hello! We're trying to get a used budget tow vehicle for our 24' Trade
Wind. We've been looking at the 1986 thru '92 Toyota Land Cruisers or
possibly the Jeep Cherokee Laredo 1990 or a Jeep Grand Wagoneer 1986. The
Wagoneer is 8 cyl but kind of worn and ugly with costly repairs ahead. All of
these are automatics.
Should we consider a "stick" or is automatic the way to go? Is a 6 cylinder
too puny to handle about 4000lbs of trailer? The cherokee owners manual says
it can tow up to 5000 lbs. It has a class III hitch on it what ever that
means.
Anyone got some advice on this before we buy the wrong rig?! Anyone got
something similar for sale? We're trying to stay under $5000 if possible.
Thanks, Stuart and Bonnie.
* STUART MACARTHUR RESOR * ARCHITECT * 1268 BLUE SKY DRIVE * CARDIFF BY THE
SEA * CALIFORNIA * 92007-1005 * 760-753-8022 * FAX: 760-753-8058 *
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Message Number: 9
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 22:17:04 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OK, were back on the air..
Thank you, thank you.
Daisy
Webmaster wrote:
>
> Ughh. Sorry about the 3 day List "vacation". AT&T has restored the
> internet connection for the List (and me).
>
> I never thought for one minute that lousy judge would allow @Home to shut
> down all those customers. "Minor inconvenience" he said. Tell that to the
> people who telecommute, have home offices, trade stocks, do ebay, etc.
>
> Oh well, life goes on. There may be a few hiccups - AT&T is still working
> out some of the bugs, and the messages may be out whack, especially the
> Digests from the last few days.
>
> My e-mail address has changed, too. Gone is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Will use
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] here on out.
> Both go to the same place.
>
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Message Number: 10
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:46:41 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fresh water tank
Hi Lisa,
I found my freshwater tank at an Airstream dealer out of the Blue Beret, just
look for that dealer that has been in business as long as your trailer is
old. In my case the dealer was much cheaper than other sources. Check out the
dealer in Ft. Wayne, IN.... hint hint!
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign ( with a new tank)
59 Traveler ( with nothing, I mean NOTHING inside)
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Message Number: 11
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:21:51 -0500
From: "streamin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Long, Long Trailer
Just came on Turner Classic Movies at 11:30 eastern time
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Message Number: 12
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 05:13:25 +0000
From: "Frank M. 'Mitch' Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tow vehicle, 6 cyl and stick
This in answer to Stewart & Bonnie re tow vehicles, 6 cyl . and stick shift.
Sounds to me like the Jeep Wagoneer is trouble looking for a place to
happen. They are great vehicles but not if your buying someone else's
troubles. There are lots of good used vehicles out there.
As to towing with a stick shift and a six banger, with the right
combination it will work great. I tow a '64 Airstream Ambassador
International with a 1986 Ford F150 4X4 with 4 speed stick and the 300ci
(4.9L) long stroke 6 cyl engine.
I bought this truck brand new from local dealer in 1986, I have been towing
antique auto trailers, equipment trailers and Cummins powered wood chippers
(You know, the noisy things that chew up trees about as big as you can put
your arms around) and other farm trailers/equipment off and on for the past
16 years with it. The truck runs about 16 MPG around town, 17-18 MPG on
the road
and 12 MPG with the '64 Ambassador behind it.
Now you have to realize, I am out here on the east coast in Southern New
England, central Cape Cod to be exact. We don't have mountains to speak
of, mostly 1000- 1500 ft. high bumps in the Massachusetts turnpike. About
3 of these bumps on the MA turnpike are high enough to slow the truck
towing the Ambassador down to 50 MPH in high gear. On Rt 495 and most other
major roads in the area the rig maintains a comfortable 65 Mph without much
laboring, Its pretty comfortable at 65 Mph, seems to settle in a groove
about 67 Mph.
If I were to tow across country up through the Rockies or any other sizable
mountain range, I would want more engine, at least a 350 Ci V8 or bigger
but definitely coupled to a stick shift. (I have done the Rockies between
Washington State and Montana with a 6 cyl Dodge stick shift and pickup
camper, that was a grind!!!).
However, I am very happy with this truck after 16 years, it has cost me far
less to maintain than any other vehicle I have owned. I have been looking
at newer trucks, but after looking at price tags, I keep chugging along in
my '86 6 cyl. Hey, it does the job... However, I know where there is a
nice 1989 F350 4X4, 351 Ci V8, and 5 speed stick shift pickup truck, who
knows, Christmas is coming....
One word of caution about older vehicles with hitches, don't tow anything
until you know the hitch is sound... I put a new Draw-Tite Class III / IV
receiver hitch on this '86 F150 in 1992, and while servicing the truck to
tow the Ambassador back 150 miles from Western MA. this fall, I was
alarmed at the amount of rust on the side plates of the hitch. I took a
hammer and wrapped the rusty spot on the driver's side plate, and it
disintegrated. So help me, I had a hole in it that was 90% of the height
of the side plate just ahead of where the cross piece is welded on. I took
the hitch off the truck, the weight of the side frame caused it to just
fold over on the ground, there was not enough metal left for it to support
its own weight. I am sure glad I found this before hitching up the trailer
for the 150 mile trip to the cape. Solution, the truck now has a new Reese
37034 Class III / IV receiver hitch, far cheaper than a wrecked trailer...
Please be careful of older hitches!!! It pays to inspect your hitch !!!
Mitch Hill - WA1YKN / AFA1HN
'64 Ambassador International
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 22:16 12/04/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello! We're trying to get a used budget tow vehicle for our 24' Trade
>Wind. We've been looking at the 1986 thru '92 Toyota Land Cruisers or
>possibly the Jeep Cherokee Laredo 1990 or a Jeep Grand Wagoneer 1986. The
>Wagoneer is 8 cyl but kind of worn and ugly with costly repairs ahead. All of
>these are automatics.
>
>Should we consider a "stick" or is automatic the way to go? Is a 6 cylinder
>too puny to handle about 4000lbs of trailer? The cherokee owners manual says
>it can tow up to 5000 lbs. It has a class III hitch on it what ever that
>means.
>
>Anyone got some advice on this before we buy the wrong rig?! Anyone got
>something similar for sale? We're trying to stay under $5000 if possible.
>Thanks, Stuart and Bonnie.
>
>
>
>
>* STUART MACARTHUR RESOR * ARCHITECT * 1268 BLUE SKY DRIVE * CARDIFF BY THE
>SEA * CALIFORNIA * 92007-1005 * 760-753-8022 * FAX: 760-753-8058 *
>
>
>
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Message Number: 13
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 05:14:03 +0000
From: "Frank M. 'Mitch' Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tow vehicle, 6 cyl and stick
This in answer to Stewart & Bonnie re tow vehicles, 6 cyl . and stick shift.
Sounds to me like the Jeep Wagoneer is trouble looking for a place to
happen. They are great vehicles but not if your buying someone else's
troubles. There are lots of good used vehicles out there.
As to towing with a stick shift and a six banger, with the right
combination it will work great. I tow a '64 Airstream Ambassador
International with a 1986 Ford F150 4X4 with 4 speed stick and the 300ci
(4.9L) long stroke 6 cyl engine.
I bought this truck brand new from local dealer in 1986, I have been towing
antique auto trailers, equipment trailers and Cummins powered wood chippers
(You know, the noisy things that chew up trees about as big as you can put
your arms around) and other farm trailers/equipment off and on for the past
16 years with it. The truck runs about 16 MPG around town, 17-18 MPG on
the road
and 12 MPG with the '64 Ambassador behind it.
Now you have to realize, I am out here on the east coast in Southern New
England, central Cape Cod to be exact. We don't have mountains to speak
of, mostly 1000- 1500 ft. high bumps in the Massachusetts turnpike. About
3 of these bumps on the MA turnpike are high enough to slow the truck
towing the Ambassador down to 50 MPH in high gear. On Rt 495 and most other
major roads in the area the rig maintains a comfortable 65 Mph without much
laboring, Its pretty comfortable at 65 Mph, seems to settle in a groove
about 67 Mph.
If I were to tow across country up through the Rockies or any other sizable
mountain range, I would want more engine, at least a 350 Ci V8 or bigger
but definitely coupled to a stick shift. (I have done the Rockies between
Washington State and Montana with a 6 cyl Dodge stick shift and pickup
camper, that was a grind!!!).
However, I am very happy with this truck after 16 years, it has cost me far
less to maintain than any other vehicle I have owned. I have been looking
at newer trucks, but after looking at price tags, I keep chugging along in
my '86 6 cyl. Hey, it does the job... However, I know where there is a
nice 1989 F350 4X4, 351 Ci V8, and 5 speed stick shift pickup truck, who
knows, Christmas is coming....
One word of caution about older vehicles with hitches, don't tow anything
until you know the hitch is sound... I put a new Draw-Tite Class III / IV
receiver hitch on this '86 F150 in 1992, and while servicing the truck to
tow the Ambassador back 150 miles from Western MA. this fall, I was
alarmed at the amount of rust on the side plates of the hitch. I took a
hammer and wrapped the rusty spot on the driver's side plate, and it
disintegrated. So help me, I had a hole in it that was 90% of the height
of the side plate just ahead of where the cross piece is welded on. I took
the hitch off the truck, the weight of the side frame caused it to just
fold over on the ground, there was not enough metal left for it to support
its own weight. I am sure glad I found this before hitching up the trailer
for the 150 mile trip to the cape. Solution, the truck now has a new Reese
37034 Class III / IV receiver hitch, far cheaper than a wrecked trailer...
Please be careful of older hitches!!! It pays to inspect your hitch !!!
Mitch Hill - WA1YKN / AFA1HN
'64 Ambassador International
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 22:16 12/04/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello! We're trying to get a used budget tow vehicle for our 24' Trade
>Wind. We've been looking at the 1986 thru '92 Toyota Land Cruisers or
>possibly the Jeep Cherokee Laredo 1990 or a Jeep Grand Wagoneer 1986. The
>Wagoneer is 8 cyl but kind of worn and ugly with costly repairs ahead. All of
>these are automatics.
>
>Should we consider a "stick" or is automatic the way to go? Is a 6 cylinder
>too puny to handle about 4000lbs of trailer? The cherokee owners manual says
>it can tow up to 5000 lbs. It has a class III hitch on it what ever that
>means.
>
>Anyone got some advice on this before we buy the wrong rig?! Anyone got
>something similar for sale? We're trying to stay under $5000 if possible.
>Thanks, Stuart and Bonnie.
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Message Number: 14
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 23:05:36 -0600
From: KEVIN D ALLEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ow Vehicles for 24 Foot Trade Wind
Greetings Stuart and Bonnie!
> Hello! We're trying to get a used budget tow vehicle for our 24' Trade
> Wind. We've been looking at the 1986 thru '92 Toyota Land Cruisers or
> possibly the Jeep Cherokee Laredo 1990 or a Jeep Grand Wagoneer 1986. The
> Wagoneer is 8 cylinder but kind of worn and ugly with costly repairs
ahead. All
of
> these are automatics.
It doesn't pay to skimp on power and heft when it comes to a tow vehicle. I
have towed or tried to tow with two of the vehicles on your list. My
experience with a 79 Toyota was less than acceptable with a 19 foot Nomad
weighing 3,800 pounds loaded. My experience towing with a Jeep Grand
Wagoneer with 360 V8 and full trailer towing package was excellent, and it
had far more reliable 4-wheel drive mechanicals than either of my most
recent tow vehicles (a '95 Chevrolet K1500/Z71 Club Cab Pickup and a '99
K2500 GMC Suburban) - - the two big problems were abominable fuel economy
(10 MPG solo and 8 MPG towing) made worse by a miniscule 18 gallon fuel tank
giving it a best of conditions range of 180 miles without the trailer
(Airstream Overlander by this time) - - after running out of fuel numerous
times it was a great relief to trade it on the '95 Chevrolet with its
smallish 24 gallon fuel tank. Either of the newer GM tow vehicles win the
MPG race with my current Suburban (7400 Vortec/Heavy Duty Automatic
w/Overdrive Transmission/4.11 differentials) it manages 10 to 12 MPG with
the trailer and 12 MPG to 15 MPG solo. I am a conservative driver, but I
insist on a generous power reserve for emergency situations so I tend to
overbuy trailer towing capacity by at least 15% - - my current tow vehicle
is rated to tow 10,000 pounds and my Overlander weighs approximately 6,000
pounds ready to roll on an extended vacation trip.
>
> Should we consider a "stick" or is automatic the way to go? Is a 6
cylinder
> too puny to handle about 4000lbs of trailer? The cherokee owners manual
says
> it can tow up to 5000 lbs. It has a class III hitch on it what ever that
> means.
You will need a class III or better hitch platform which will receive a ball
mount. In addition, you will need a trailer brake controller, and Bargman
type trailer umbilical cord connector. My personal hitch choice is Reese
with dual cam sway control, but this is one of those very individual choices
and there are a number of high quality hitches out there in a number of
price ranges. A six cylinder, even for a 4,000 pound trailer would be of
great concern to me. (IMHO). Prior to my Jeep Grand Wagoneer, I tried to
tow my Nomad with a six cylinder vehicle rated for its weight, and it was
simply so underpowered that I was endangering the safety of myself, my
passengers and all who were traveling around me. If you plan any
significant travel in mountainous terrain, I would definitely suggest a V8
with a trailer tow rating of at least 6,000 pounds to give yourself an extra
margin of safety - - remember that trailer towing capacity is reduced by the
weight of passengers and excess supplies carried in the tow vehicle - - and
don't forget that published trailer weights are empty weights without fluids
of any kind, no accessories such as Air Conditioners, awnings, spare tire,
etc. -- the published weight for my Overlander is 4,400 pounds, but its
loaded weight hovers around 6,000 pounds when loaded for cross country
travel.
>
> Anyone got some advice on this before we buy the wrong rig?! Anyone got
> something similar for sale? We're trying to stay under $5000 if possible.
Have you tried watching the classifieds in your Unit Newsletter? There have
been several opportunities to purchase tow vehicles from members in my local
unit who were either retiring from travel or upgrading to new tow vehicles
or motorhomes, and I am sure that this is probably true in a number of our
WBCCI units.
Good luck with your search!
Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI/VAC #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
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Message Number: 15
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 23:44:51 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tow vehicle, 6 cyl and stick
I used to have an '86 F-150 5 liter V-8. The fuel pressure regulator
diaphragm split and filled the engine with gasoline. Cranking it broke
things. Be sure that if your '86 Ford and a little younger is fuel
injected that that fuel pressure regulator is replaced before it splits.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 16
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:10:16 -0500
From: "bovi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Water Pump Question
Hello All, Have enjoyed reading list a long time and now have a
question. Last spring I bought a 72 A/S to use while I finish work on our 64
Overlander. The 72 had been setting a long time. Had to fix 7 busted water
lines due to freezing. The last owner didn't know how to drain anything but
the water heater (thank goodness for that). Had to repair busted holding
tank and replace the sheet metal box and angle iron supports since they were
rusted completely out. Made a stainless steel box that will out last
everything else. The fresh water tank hadn't been used for years (city hook
up) and after MANY flushes and finding the blown fuse everything worked fine
for 8 trips. Now the pump runs and we have pressure through out but pump
won't cut off on its own. Pressure switch points are clean and work fine if
you touch them. The inline filter used to stay full of water , now it won't
fill up but still have pressure. Seals and hose connections seem to be
tight. Any suggestions appreciated. Bob... [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message Number: 17
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:13:15 -0700 (MST)
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tow vehicle, 6 cyl and stick
For what it's worth I tow my 76 Airstream Land Yaht with a small 88 Jeep
pickup with 6 cylinder fuel injected and automatic trans. Has been just
wonderful. Only problem is it looks like a Jeep being pushed by a trailer,
the trailer is so much larger...:-)
I get about 15 MPG and have a 26 gallon tank.
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Frank M. 'Mitch' Hill wrote:
> This in answer to Stewart & Bonnie re tow vehicles, 6 cyl . and stick shift.
>
> Sounds to me like the Jeep Wagoneer is trouble looking for a place to
> happen. They are great vehicles but not if your buying someone else's
> troubles. There are lots of good used vehicles out there.
>
> As to towing with a stick shift and a six banger, with the right
> combination it will work great. I tow a '64 Airstream Ambassador
> International with a 1986 Ford F150 4X4 with 4 speed stick and the 300ci
> (4.9L) long stroke 6 cyl engine.
>
> I bought this truck brand new from local dealer in 1986, I have been towing
> antique auto trailers, equipment trailers and Cummins powered wood chippers
> (You know, the noisy things that chew up trees about as big as you can put
> your arms around) and other farm trailers/equipment off and on for the past
> 16 years with it. The truck runs about 16 MPG around town, 17-18 MPG on
> the road
> and 12 MPG with the '64 Ambassador behind it.
>
> Now you have to realize, I am out here on the east coast in Southern New
> England, central Cape Cod to be exact. We don't have mountains to speak
> of, mostly 1000- 1500 ft. high bumps in the Massachusetts turnpike. About
> 3 of these bumps on the MA turnpike are high enough to slow the truck
> towing the Ambassador down to 50 MPH in high gear. On Rt 495 and most other
> major roads in the area the rig maintains a comfortable 65 Mph without much
> laboring, Its pretty comfortable at 65 Mph, seems to settle in a groove
> about 67 Mph.
>
> If I were to tow across country up through the Rockies or any other sizable
> mountain range, I would want more engine, at least a 350 Ci V8 or bigger
> but definitely coupled to a stick shift. (I have done the Rockies between
> Washington State and Montana with a 6 cyl Dodge stick shift and pickup
> camper, that was a grind!!!).
>
> However, I am very happy with this truck after 16 years, it has cost me far
> less to maintain than any other vehicle I have owned. I have been looking
> at newer trucks, but after looking at price tags, I keep chugging along in
> my '86 6 cyl. Hey, it does the job... However, I know where there is a
> nice 1989 F350 4X4, 351 Ci V8, and 5 speed stick shift pickup truck, who
> knows, Christmas is coming....
>
> One word of caution about older vehicles with hitches, don't tow anything
> until you know the hitch is sound... I put a new Draw-Tite Class III / IV
> receiver hitch on this '86 F150 in 1992, and while servicing the truck to
> tow the Ambassador back 150 miles from Western MA. this fall, I was
> alarmed at the amount of rust on the side plates of the hitch. I took a
> hammer and wrapped the rusty spot on the driver's side plate, and it
> disintegrated. So help me, I had a hole in it that was 90% of the height
> of the side plate just ahead of where the cross piece is welded on. I took
> the hitch off the truck, the weight of the side frame caused it to just
> fold over on the ground, there was not enough metal left for it to support
> its own weight. I am sure glad I found this before hitching up the trailer
> for the 150 mile trip to the cape. Solution, the truck now has a new Reese
> 37034 Class III / IV receiver hitch, far cheaper than a wrecked trailer...
>
> Please be careful of older hitches!!! It pays to inspect your hitch !!!
>
> Mitch Hill - WA1YKN / AFA1HN
> '64 Ambassador International
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> At 22:16 12/04/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hello! We're trying to get a used budget tow vehicle for our 24' Trade
> >Wind. We've been looking at the 1986 thru '92 Toyota Land Cruisers or
> >possibly the Jeep Cherokee Laredo 1990 or a Jeep Grand Wagoneer 1986. The
> >Wagoneer is 8 cyl but kind of worn and ugly with costly repairs ahead. All of
> >these are automatics.
> >
> >Should we consider a "stick" or is automatic the way to go? Is a 6 cylinder
> >too puny to handle about 4000lbs of trailer? The cherokee owners manual says
> >it can tow up to 5000 lbs. It has a class III hitch on it what ever that
> >means.
> >
> >Anyone got some advice on this before we buy the wrong rig?! Anyone got
> >something similar for sale? We're trying to stay under $5000 if possible.
> >Thanks, Stuart and Bonnie.
>
>
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Message Number: 18
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:47:37 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fresh water tank
Ed, if you don't mind me asking, what tank did you get and what did it cost?
I'm very interested. The several dealers I talked by phone did not have a
replacement tank.
Thanks,
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 22:46
Subject: [VAC] Re: Fresh water tank
> Hi Lisa,
> I found my freshwater tank at an Airstream dealer out of the Blue Beret,
just
> look for that dealer that has been in business as long as your trailer is
> old. In my case the dealer was much cheaper than other sources. Check out
the
> dealer in Ft. Wayne, IN.... hint hint!
> Ed
> WBCCI/VAC 4425
> 68 Sovereign ( with a new tank)
> 59 Traveler ( with nothing, I mean NOTHING inside)
>
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Message Number: 19
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:52:04 -0500
From: "Phil Renner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tow vehicle, 6 cyl and stick
Frank Hill said:
> I tow a '64 Airstream Ambassador
> International with a 1986 Ford F150 4X4 with 4 speed stick and the 300ci
> (4.9L) long stroke 6 cyl engine.
>
Frank, that's interesting. I also have a Ford PU with a stick and I-6. That
engine develops an amazing amount of torque, maybe that's why it was
standard in Ford truck for sooo long.
I've thought of putting a Class IV hitch on it to use as my "back up tow
vehicle" or to use when I need to carry a lot of "stuff" in the back.
Phil R.
63 Overlander
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Message Number: 20
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:32:09 -0600
From: "D. Reilly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Long, Long Trailer
I have a copy I bought on Amazon.com
It is a very funny movie.
David Reilly
Madison, Miss.
1963 Overlander
1953 Overlander
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To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:21 PM
Subject: [VAC] Long, Long Trailer
> Just came on Turner Classic Movies at 11:30 eastern time
>
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Message Number: 21
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:05:57 -0800
From: "Carol and Oliver Filippi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tow vehicle, Don't go too small
Trying to get away with an under powered, light weight, short wheelbase tow
vehicle is simply a dumb idea. This sort of wishful thinking, if followed,
will sooner or later get you into a very hairy (if not downright dangerous)
situation. The reality is that you can't violate the laws of physics.
That is not to say that many RVers do not successfully(?) tow their trailer
with a marginal tow vehicle.
Unlike the 60's and 70's, current automobiles are, for the most part, no
longer capable of towing travel trailers of any substantial size. Cars (due
to fuel economy pressures) have gotten lighter and trailers have gotten
heavier.
This leaves one with choosing among trucks and SUVs.
Once again, brutal reality sets in. Most SUVs are light weight vehicles
with small engines (for fuel economy(?) or are gussied up lightweight truck
based vehicles or overloaded lightweight automobile platform vehicles.
Common sense would tell one that none of these product designs is going to
have the beef to reliably tow a substantial travel trailer.
The bottom line is that there is no substitute for a substantial engine,
strong transmission (with the proper gearing) and a sturdy chassis.
In the current product mix, this translates to at least a half ton pickup
truck or vehicle derived from this platform. The old full size (2 door)
Chevy Blazer (no longer made) was an excellent tow vehicle, and shorter and
more maneuverable than the larger Suburban. The closest thing to the old
Blazer is the current 4 door Yukon. These vehicles can be ordered with
large V8s and heavy duty towing options.
Four wheel drive is a useful option but not for the reason one might think -
off roading. Rather it is the two speed transfer case which will allow you
to pull out of steep grades or other conditions which would overwhelm a
conventional power train. The low gear on my old Blazer saved my neck more
than once in unanticipated situations where the only way out was straight
ahead.
Stick vs. automatic. I am not a fan of a stick shift (I'm sure I will get
lots of flack on this one.) as I think it is a pass� technology and way
overrated. The scariest situation with a stick is trying to down shift to
get some engine braking on a downhill grade and not being able to engage the
gear. This can never happen with an automatic. Also, the cost of
maintaining an automatic over its useful life is a lot less than a stick and
a new clutch. With the automatic, all you have to do is change the
transmission fluid and filter at 15,000 mile intervals (something you can do
yourself or have done at low cost). Also, a supplementary transmission oil
cooler is essential. The improved fuel economy credited to the stick, is in
my opinion a myth. It is primarily the result of driving habits with the
stick vs. the automatic. (the driver tends to anticipate stops by slowing
down earlier so as not to have to shift through as many gears. With an
automatic, there is no effort associated with shifting, so the tendency is
to use the brake and the gas more. So far as slippage in the automatic is
concerned, this is another over rated power loss. Modern automatics have
minimal slippage and lock into gears a lot faster than their predicessors.
Also, from a physics standpoint, any slippage in an automatic will be
converted into heat (Joules Law). I haven't seen any melted automatics on
the road lately!
So far as engine size is concerned, small engines are not economical towing
substantial loads so far a fuel economy is concerned. In addition, if you
are constantly pushing the little engine, it is going to wear out faster (if
not break) under such use. The toughest thing on an engine is high RPM,
because of the increasing loads on reciprocating parts as the RPM goes up.
Note that most small engines get their power at higher RPMs than larger
displacement engines - enough said?. Diesels are the exception in that even
most small ones have strong torque and good durability. The caveat here is
that you will not be moving very fast if the diesel engine is too small.
Stanley Marcus, of Nieman Marcus (who is a stickler for quality) once said,
"I never had a customer return something because the quality was too good."
The tow vehicle corollary: Talk to experienced trailer towers, and I'm sure
they will all tell you that they never returned a tow vehicle because it had
too much power and strength.
Good luck,
Oliver Filippi
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Message Number: 22
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 15:06:28 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
In my ? humble opinion, none of them are really long enough to be a good
puller. The dog needs to be pretty big not to get wagged by its tail.
Dealer tow weights seem to be optimisitc if not fanatasy. Might work
down wind, down hill, with not even a banana on board. Dunno about
stick, for towing horses automatic is the way to go.
Daisy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hello! We're trying to get a used budget tow vehicle for our 24' Trade
> Wind. We've been looking at the 1986 thru '92 Toyota Land Cruisers or
> possibly the Jeep Cherokee Laredo 1990 or a Jeep Grand Wagoneer 1986. The
> Wagoneer is 8 cyl but kind of worn and ugly with costly repairs ahead. All of
> these are automatics.
>
> Should we consider a "stick" or is automatic the way to go? Is a 6 cylinder
> too puny to handle about 4000lbs of trailer? The cherokee owners manual says
> it can tow up to 5000 lbs. It has a class III hitch on it what ever that
> means.
>
> Anyone got some advice on this before we buy the wrong rig?! Anyone got
> something similar for sale? We're trying to stay under $5000 if possible.
> Thanks, Stuart and Bonnie.
>
> * STUART MACARTHUR RESOR * ARCHITECT * 1268 BLUE SKY DRIVE * CARDIFF BY THE
> SEA * CALIFORNIA * 92007-1005 * 760-753-8022 * FAX: 760-753-8058 *
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Message Number: 23
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 14:29:04 -0600
From: lefty frizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
My personal opinion is that I would get the machine with the longest wheel
base I can afford...and the biggest engine you can afford the gas costs for.
I've towed with everything from a Chevy Blazer (the small one with the
OPTIONAL V6 that overheated if you went over 55 and had to climb an anthill
to a Dually.
Everything is going to be a tradeoff anyhow...might as well get one you can
live with when you are not towing the trailer.
Lefty Frizzell
http://home.users.earthink.net/~leftyfrizzell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daisy Welch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 05 December 01 14:06
Subject: [VAC] Re:
In my ? humble opinion, none of them are really long enough to be a good
puller. The dog needs to be pretty big not to get wagged by its tail.
Dealer tow weights seem to be optimisitc if not fanatasy. Might work
down wind, down hill, with not even a banana on board. Dunno about
stick, for towing horses automatic is the way to go.
Daisy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hello! We're trying to get a used budget tow vehicle for our 24' Trade
> Wind. We've been looking at the 1986 thru '92 Toyota Land Cruisers or
> possibly the Jeep Cherokee Laredo 1990 or a Jeep Grand Wagoneer 1986. The
> Wagoneer is 8 cyl but kind of worn and ugly with costly repairs ahead. All
of
> these are automatics.
>
> Should we consider a "stick" or is automatic the way to go? Is a 6
cylinder
> too puny to handle about 4000lbs of trailer? The cherokee owners manual
says
> it can tow up to 5000 lbs. It has a class III hitch on it what ever that
> means.
>
> Anyone got some advice on this before we buy the wrong rig?! Anyone got
> something similar for sale? We're trying to stay under $5000 if possible.
> Thanks, Stuart and Bonnie.
>
> * STUART MACARTHUR RESOR * ARCHITECT * 1268 BLUE SKY DRIVE * CARDIFF BY
THE
> SEA * CALIFORNIA * 92007-1005 * 760-753-8022 * FAX: 760-753-8058 *
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Message Number: 24
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 14:04:41 -0700
From: "T. Byrd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Airstream Internet Relay Chat (IRC)
Hi all,
Just wanted to let everyone know about a new IRC channel I've started
for free, real time, chat about Airstreams. The channel is on the
DALnet IRC network, and you can find more information about it at
http://channels.dal.net/airstream/. I hope those of you who wish to
participate in this new community will enjoy the service.
-Ted
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Message Number: 25
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:20:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Jon Fitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: tachometer connection
I'm trying to put a tach on my puller. Does anyone know where to get a tach
signal on a '95 Ford E250? Better to ask someone who's done it than
reinvent the wheel!
Jon in SC
1968 Overlander
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Message Number: 26
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:48:43 -0800
From: "Carol and Oliver Filippi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tow Vehicle
Right On !!
Oliver Filippi
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From: "lefty frizzell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:29 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re:
> My personal opinion is that I would get the machine with the longest wheel
> base I can afford...and the biggest engine you can afford the gas costs
for.
>
> I've towed with everything from a Chevy Blazer (the small one with the
> OPTIONAL V6 that overheated if you went over 55 and had to climb an
anthill
> to a Dually.
>
> Everything is going to be a tradeoff anyhow...might as well get one you
can
> live with when you are not towing the trailer.
>
>
>
> Lefty Frizzell
>
>
>
> http://home.users.earthink.net/~leftyfrizzell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daisy Welch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: 05 December 01 14:06
> Subject: [VAC] Re:
>
>
> In my ? humble opinion, none of them are really long enough to be a good
> puller. The dog needs to be pretty big not to get wagged by its tail.
> Dealer tow weights seem to be optimisitc if not fanatasy. Might work
> down wind, down hill, with not even a banana on board. Dunno about
> stick, for towing horses automatic is the way to go.
>
> Daisy
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Hello! We're trying to get a used budget tow vehicle for our 24' Trade
> > Wind. We've been looking at the 1986 thru '92 Toyota Land Cruisers or
> > possibly the Jeep Cherokee Laredo 1990 or a Jeep Grand Wagoneer 1986.
The
> > Wagoneer is 8 cyl but kind of worn and ugly with costly repairs ahead.
All
> of
> > these are automatics.
> >
> > Should we consider a "stick" or is automatic the way to go? Is a 6
> cylinder
> > too puny to handle about 4000lbs of trailer? The cherokee owners manual
> says
> > it can tow up to 5000 lbs. It has a class III hitch on it what ever that
> > means.
> >
> > Anyone got some advice on this before we buy the wrong rig?! Anyone got
> > something similar for sale? We're trying to stay under $5000 if
possible.
> > Thanks, Stuart and Bonnie.
> >
> > * STUART MACARTHUR RESOR * ARCHITECT * 1268 BLUE SKY DRIVE * CARDIFF BY
> THE
> > SEA * CALIFORNIA * 92007-1005 * 760-753-8022 * FAX: 760-753-8058 *
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