VACList DigestVACList-Digest Tuesday, July 16, 2002 Issue 366
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Airstreams in museums
2. Re: Airstream story
3. Re: '74 Argosy Electrical Problems . . .
4. Re: Airstreams in museums
5. Re: Airstream story
6. Re: Sunday Morning on CBS Airstream story
7. curved glass
8. Re: Roof mount antenna on '74 ILY Ambassador
9. Re: '74 Argosy Electrical Problems . . .
10. Re: '74 Argosy Electrical Problems . . .
11. Re: curved glass
12. DishNet & Direct TV
13. Re: Sunday Morning on CBS Airstream story
14. Stripping Clearcoat....
15. Re: DishNet & Direct TV
16. Re: curved glass
17. Re: Sunday Morning on CBS Airstream story
18. Re: curved glass
19. Re: re security
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Message Number: 1
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:33:18 -0700
From: Pearl Main <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Airstreams in museums
Melvin Mudgett-Price A number of years ago when I lived in IL they tried to
put thru a law and was told I couldn'tpark my triler in my yard....well it took
weeks of
committee meeting th come up with a workable ordinance. We had parked out 20
A/S in our backyard for 10 years before the police rang my doorbell andsiad we
couldn't so challenged the so called rulling with "grandfather bit" Good Sam
club has provided info for people all over the US/Can with help to get a
sensible set of rules. you might want to contact them. There weree a couple of
men on our committeethat were oposed to anything other than 3 door conventional
cars..wanted to even limit VW bugs and that village still willl not allow a
pick up truck with a commercial plate even be parked in someones garage
overnight. Pearl
> Happy Monday to everyone,
>
> Only 5 more days to the weekend.
>
> I live in a city that like many others doesn't allow trailers to be
> stored in my driveway, or any other driveway for that matter. I am in
> the process of sending a letter/rant with regards to this. My question
> is: Are there any museums that have an A/S as an exhibit. There must be
> some museums of industrial design or similar that recognize the
> historical value of an American icon that has been around since 1936.
>
> My point is going to be along the lines:
>
> Why is it that my neighbor can park his rusted 1982 Honda Civic in his
> driveway with impunity yet I can't park my vintage Airstream, an
> American icon that is proudly displayed in the following museums:
>
> 1. etc...
>
> I know it won't make one iota of difference to the rules but I feel it
> has to be said.
>
> Mel and Sheila
> '72 Trade Wind
> Cleveland, OH
>
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Message Number: 2
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:38:46 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Airstream story
I probably have that on tape. At least my VCR was suppose to catch
Sunday Morning on CBS. I've not been sitting long enough to check it
out. Should bet that done by week's end. I still have Sunday Morning
from a week ago to be watched through.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 3
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:38:43 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: '74 Argosy Electrical Problems . . .
Well wire unions should work OK. Harder to use than silicone filled
Ideal wire nuts for smaller wires.
When I started working on my '68 Caravel lights, I bought a supply of
lamps for the markers. I used very few because the problems were
universally bad grounding which I fixed permanently. Since then one turn
signal quit and it turned out to be the lamp.
The TV antenna is source of many water leaks. My dad (a ham like me)
replaced the TV antenna with a ham antenna mount. I'm in the process of
modifying what he did to be more versatile for my needs. It still leaked
until I slathered vulkem on the cracks in the black stuff around the
remains of the antenna mount. With the metal skin of the airstream,
radios work poorly inside. I carry a TV that my dad left in a drawer but
I've not tried it. I suspect without an outside antenna it will work
very poorly. I just bought a TV/weather/AM/FM walkman hoping it will
cover my desires for weather, given an outside antenna connection. If
that fails, I have a FRS with weather also coming. I am working on
mounting the AM/FM radio that I took from my truck in the Airstream. I
figure on emulating the ignition switch with a rocker switch at the
radio and another by the reading lamp at the back wall of the lounge
where I tend to read myself to sleep.
I've seen wire nuts survive fires that burned away everything but copper
and steel.
I've no experience with liquid tape. It might be adequate. 3M used to
make a product called ScotchKote that is very good. 5 layers of Scotch
#33 coated liberally with ScotchKote makes a very waterproof connection.
Suitable for underground power wire splices and taps, even in swamps.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 4
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:30:24 -0700
From: Pearl Main <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Airstreams in museums
Finger hit all the wrong keys 30' Soverign parked in back of house for over 10
years....in our driveway andout neighbors......the old men wanted 4 door cars only
Pearl Main wrote:
> Melvin Mudgett-Price A number of years ago when I lived in IL they tried to
> put thru a law and was told I couldn'tpark my triler in my yard....well it took
> weeks of
> committee meeting th come up with a workable ordinance. We had parked out 20
> A/S in our backyard for 10 years before the police rang my doorbell andsiad we
> couldn't so challenged the so called rulling with "grandfather bit" Good Sam
> club has provided info for people all over the US/Can with help to get a
> sensible set of rules. you might want to contact them. There weree a couple of
> men on our committeethat were oposed to anything other than 3 door conventional
> cars..wanted to even limit VW bugs and that village still willl not allow a
> pick up truck with a commercial plate even be parked in someones garage
> overnight. Pearl
>
> > Happy Monday to everyone,
> >
> > Only 5 more days to the weekend.
> >
> > I live in a city that like many others doesn't allow trailers to be
> > stored in my driveway, or any other driveway for that matter. I am in
> > the process of sending a letter/rant with regards to this. My question
> > is: Are there any museums that have an A/S as an exhibit. There must be
> > some museums of industrial design or similar that recognize the
> > historical value of an American icon that has been around since 1936.
> >
> > My point is going to be along the lines:
> >
> > Why is it that my neighbor can park his rusted 1982 Honda Civic in his
> > driveway with impunity yet I can't park my vintage Airstream, an
> > American icon that is proudly displayed in the following museums:
> >
> > 1. etc...
> >
> > I know it won't make one iota of difference to the rules but I feel it
> > has to be said.
> >
> > Mel and Sheila
> > '72 Trade Wind
> > Cleveland, OH
> >
> > To unsubscribe or change to a daily Digest format, please go to
> > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
> >
> > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text
> >
> >
>
> To unsubscribe or change to a daily Digest format, please go to
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>
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>
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Message Number: 5
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:09:23 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Airstream story
We're all standing by to hear your play by play :)
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [VAC] Re: Airstream story
> I probably have that on tape. At least my VCR was suppose to catch
> Sunday Morning on CBS. I've not been sitting long enough to check it
> out. Should bet that done by week's end. I still have Sunday Morning
> from a week ago to be watched through.
>
> Gerald J.
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Message Number: 6
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:17:29 -0600
From: "Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sunday Morning on CBS Airstream story
Bob, et al ~
We saw the Sunday Morning on CBS spot...
As vintage enthusiasts, we were not terribly impressed. Disappointedly, it
was not what we hoped it would be...oh well!
Would love to hear other's thoughts....
Shari & Rob
'64 GlobeTrotter
#1824 - Maxwell
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Message Number: 7
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:16:02 -0500
From: "Brad Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: curved glass
Looking for advice on replacing the curved glass on a '71 Overlander
International. A previous posting recommended Lexan. How is this bent?
Can this be accomplished with a heat gun?
Lakedaddyo
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Message Number: 8
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:45:58 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Roof mount antenna on '74 ILY Ambassador
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on 07/14/02 9:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have just noticed today a small leak coming from the roof mount antenna on
my trailer.
Anyone have any experience with this subject?
Hi James,
Last week's 2nd two hour hail storm (golf ball size) in two weeks loosened
an edge of caulking around the roof mount antenna on our '67 22' Safari.
Because I'm a glutton for punishment, I used a putty knife and removed all
the old caulk from around the antenna and did likewise around the three
ventilation tubes. Recaulking all four places with vulcum was just about
enough work for one day (early morning and late afternoon) and one tube of
vulcum.
Incidentally, I restored the screening on the ventilation tubes with cut out
circles of plain screening pressed into vulcum I applied around the top lip
of each tube. Not a fancy job, but it'll do until we're back home where I
can putz around and burn daylight indiscriminantly.
Since being in Colorado Springs for a month, we've learned it has 300 days
of sunlight per year. This is high desert at 8,000 feet with July daytime
temperatures in the 80-90s (sunburn is fast) and 50-60s at night. It's dry
as a bone which means no mosquitos, no mold, no mildew and all the critters
that used to live in our 35 year old Airstream when it was on the East coast
are now dried out skeletons.
Later this week, we begin our trek back East ~ with a side trip to Fogdall's
Airstream dealership in Iowa. If anyone has had Vogdall do service on their
Airstream, I'd like to hear any insights you can offer. It'll be our first
time.
Terry
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on 07/14/02 9:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">I have just noticed today a s=
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Hi James,<BR>
<BR>
Last week's 2nd two hour hail storm (golf ball size) in two weeks loosened =
<BR>
an edge of caulking around the roof mount antenna on our '67 22' Safari. <B=
R>
Because I'm a glutton for punishment, I used a putty knife and removed all =
<BR>
the old caulk from around the antenna and did likewise around the three <BR=
>
ventilation tubes. Recaulking all four places with vulcum was just ab=
out <BR>
enough work for one day (early morning and late afternoon) and one tube of =
<BR>
vulcum.<BR>
<BR>
Incidentally, I restored the screening on the ventilation tubes with cut ou=
t <BR>
circles of plain screening pressed into vulcum I applied around the top lip=
<BR>
of each tube. Not a fancy job, but it'll do until we're back home whe=
re I <BR>
can putz around and burn daylight indiscriminantly.<BR>
<BR>
Since being in Colorado Springs for a month, we've learned it has 300 days =
<BR>
of sunlight per year. This is high desert at 8,000 feet with July daytime <=
BR>
temperatures in the 80-90s (sunburn is fast) and 50-60s at night. It's dry =
<BR>
as a bone which means no mosquitos, no mold, no mildew and all the critters=
<BR>
that used to live in our 35 year old Airstream when it was on the East coas=
t <BR>
are now dried out skeletons.<BR>
<BR>
Later this week, we begin our trek back East ~ with a side trip to Fogdall'=
s <BR>
Airstream dealership in Iowa. If anyone has had Vogdall do service on their=
<BR>
Airstream, I'd like to hear any insights you can offer. It'll be our first =
time.<BR>
<BR>
Terry <BR>
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Message Number: 9
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:45:59 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: '74 Argosy Electrical Problems . . .
on 07/15/02 6:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The gear on the antennae is broken and I know I've read many posts on the
> appropriate repair. However, is a TV antennae all that useful? I'm
> inclined to set up my dish for DirecTV as being more practical and
> eliminating the several dollar cost at each camp ground for the cable
> hook-up. Any ideas?
Hi Joy,
>From what I've read in the Escapees magazine, it sounds like Dish Network is
most RV friendly when it comes to getting the basic network channels. Not
having had Direct TV, my only knowledge is from the magazine.
With our Dish Network service, we have both east and west networks at no
additional charge on top of our basic (least expensive) plan.
We use the dish with our Snowbird Airstream and will never go back to a roof
mounted antenna. We don't use the Dish service with our Safari or Flying
Cloud because we don't carry a TV in them.
When I first started using the Dish and aiming it at the satellite, my
set-up time was around 10 minutes (sometimes longer). Now that I think I
know what I'm doing, it seldom takes more than 2-3 minutes. When I'm real
lucky, I can merely look at the sky, set out the dish (with a cavalier
flourish) and get a 90% lock on the satellite. Small things like that please
me immensely.
As for the campgrounds that charge for cable, they may get my money once
(especially if my arrival time is late in the day) but I'll never return
there again. Whether it's true or not, my gut feeling is that campgrounds
who "nickle and dime me" are not interested in the fact that I'm fully
capable of taking care of my own TV needs.
Instead, I believe they have chosen this ruse (cable fee) as a way to raise
their price without advertising a price hike. To me, that seems dishonest
and manipulative. My response is to walk away. All of us have our little
quirks.
Terry
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Message Number: 10
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:45:59 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: '74 Argosy Electrical Problems . . .
on 07/15/02 6:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Do you have much experience with liquid tape? I accidentally cut the lead
> to my front lawn light and used copious amounts of this over wire nut
> connections. The hole I dug to make the repair filled with water several
> time and didn't blow the GFI. Of course, I'm going to replace the wire nuts
> with the well wire connectors, but what about liquid tape?
When I replaced the brakes on our '67 22' five years ago, I connected the
wires with wire nuts and drizzled "liquid wire" into the wire nuts while
they were upside down.
After the liquid wire dried, I rotated the wire nuts toward the trailer's
center line in hopes the plastic side of the nut would receive most of the
road spray -- and that was that. So far, so good - knock on wood.
Terry
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Message Number: 11
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:55:14 -0500
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: curved glass
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:16:02 -0500, "Brad Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Looking for advice on replacing the curved glass on a '71 Overlander
>International. A previous posting recommended Lexan. How is this bent?
>Can this be accomplished with a heat gun?
>
>Lakedaddyo
I would do what AS repairshops usually do for glass that is not available thru
the AS system, -- go to a full service, commercial glass company and have it
made. I am slowly replacing all of my double panes (with the bubbled up
reflectorized 3M stuff on the insides) with Limousin "black" Lexan. already
have same on the front window shields. I just pull off a pane and take it to
the local Binswanger and have them make as many as I have window panes in that
size. I am doing the worst first or the leakers, whichever.
Since we are in the SW and Western states, we appreciate the heavy tint on our
tow vehicle and on our trailer.
fwiw
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Charles L Hamilton, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Houston, TX
WBCCI #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T
'76 Sovereign
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Message Number: 12
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:00:21 -0500
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DishNet & Direct TV
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:45:59 -0400, Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>From what I've read in the Escapees magazine, it sounds like Dish Network is
>most RV friendly when it comes to getting the basic network channels. Not
>having had Direct TV, my only knowledge is from the magazine.
be aware
these two companies are asking the FCC to allow them to merge...
fwiw
chas
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Charles L Hamilton, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Houston, TX
WBCCI #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T
'76 Sovereign
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Message Number: 13
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:27:57 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sunday Morning on CBS Airstream story
I have to agree with Shari and Rob.....the segment of the program wasn't
worth the wait.
Maybe 3 minutes, divided between an interview with a 3-digit WBCCI member
and the Inside Design folks. Not much real content.
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
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Message Number: 14
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:22:56 -0600
From: "InsideOut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Stripping Clearcoat....
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Well, I spent the weekend stripping clearcoat from our '64 =
GlobeTrotter. I tried the Klean-Strip Areosol Aircraft stripper, the =
liquid Klean-Strip Aircraft Remover and liquid Bix. =20
I found in our dry Colorado climate, that the liquid Aircraft Remover =
worked best. I have added a page to our website with pictures & more =
details, click on "During" then "Stripping & Polishing". We are happy =
with the results after having done about 50-60% of the trailer in about =
8 hours...now I just have to finish it up! Not enough "twilight-hours" =
in a day!
Shari
WBCCI #1824 - Maxwell
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Message Number: 15
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:38:58 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DishNet & Direct TV
Here is a GREAT page on Satellite TV for your RV:
http://bart.ccis.com/home/mnemeth/sat.htm
Dave
At 12:00 PM 7/16/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:45:59 -0400, Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >>From what I've read in the Escapees magazine, it sounds like Dish
> Network is
> >most RV friendly when it comes to getting the basic network channels. Not
> >having had Direct TV, my only knowledge is from the magazine.
>
>be aware
>these two companies are asking the FCC to allow them to merge...
>
>fwiw
>chas
>
>--
>Charles L Hamilton, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Houston, TX
>WBCCI #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T
>'76 Sovereign
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>
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_________________________________________________________________
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WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 16
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:42:25 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: curved glass
Lexan can be bent cold or hot. Cold it takes tools for bending metal.
Hot I've not tried.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 17
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:45:56 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sunday Morning on CBS Airstream story
We ought to get together and do the definitive documentary on vintage
airstreams. I have 20 years producing and directing experience in
Hollywood. Any other production types out there? It would be great to make
it a VAC production. The recollections and memorabilia of some of the
veterans (eg Pearl) would be priceless for such a documentary series. See .
. . . I've already upgraded to a series :)
DVD/VHS copies of the show could be sold by members or directly from VAC.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Airstream story
> I have to agree with Shari and Rob.....the segment of the program wasn't
> worth the wait.
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Message Number: 18
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:13:45 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: curved glass
Windows for all Airstream trailers built since 1969 are available. However,
the double pane window are not. Single pane substitutes just fine. There is
also clear glass as well as solar gray glass.
Taking any opening window apart is risky. The gasket is not available.
Installing lexan can be done, but will usually leak at the gasket seams. Also
lexan scratches easily.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 19
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:44:36 -0500
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: re security
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:23:14 +0100, "Steve Smithwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> I have a 66 tradewind it is a beautiful thing a design classic and an
>American Icon, and in case I did not say I enjoy and am grateful for this
>list but this NRA bs scares me.
Many more of us than most here would think, were raised with the commonplace
ability to carry our 22s or shotguns on our bikes after school or on a weekend
out to the fields to plink or hunt with our friends. I am speaking of age 10 to
15. We were also allowed to bring our target rifles to school for practice and
competition and to take them home at the end of the day.
Today, so much has been demonized by the liberal media that we are not really
welcome to discuss our favorite hobby or hobbies. Many of us (RVers) spend our
summers traveling with our benchrest, National Match cartridge or black powder
rifles and pistols from state to state to attend matches all over the US and
even into Canada. WE carry reloading equipment to include casting and lubing
tools, our rifle scopes and spotting scopes, to the huge National and
International matches such as at Camp Perry, OH; the Whittington Center at
Raton, NM; the ASSRA Nationals in IL, and so on.
We carry concealed or not, we are trained and certified instructors for
virtually all aspects of the sport, we volunteer our efforts with youth groups
at all levels from county to National meetings or encampments or seminars.
We are outdoors oriented and enjoy paper punching, knocking over metal
silhouettes or hunting. We are trained and RESPONSIBLE users of these firearms.
Sadly, too many people today actually fear firearms as if they were something
with robotic intelligence and which might hurt them. They do not realize that a
firearm is a tool and can do nothing without a thinking human holding it. What
it is used for and how it is used, depends on the human holding it. Instead,
the liberal media (movies, TV, Magazines, newspapers, etc...) which is aimed at
disarming America (for reasons we will not go into here), has mounted a campaign
since 1968 to intimidate and terrify those who have never picked up a pistol and
aimed it at a target and realized the joy of not only hitting it, but in hitting
in the black, shooting a small group, shooting better than the next person,
enjoying what used to be widely (before the 1960s) a family and even a town
sport, the rifle competition.
Since all of this is so hated and repugnant to most RV groups, I created an
elist where those of us who enjoyed travelling and shooting, etc could meet and
discuss things which make (apparently) the OTHER Rvers skins crawl and certainly
most RV listowners.
Point is, if you want to discuss firearms and things firearms related, the
Constitution, things anti Socialism, etc send an email to the RV-Guns elist.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
there you will be allowed to talk without censorship about carrying or shooting
or reloading while traveling in an RV. There are people there waiting for
others to start discussions. If you feel frustrated, join in and follow the
list rules which are really those you would find around a campfire.
cheers
chas
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Charles L Hamilton Houston, TX email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To join the RV Guns list. The URL is:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/rv-g
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RKBA!
X-NO-ARCHIVE: YES
My thanks to the VAC listowner and I promise that this is the last I will
proselyte this list, just trying to get the "hated" firearms discussions off
your elist.
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