VACList DigestVACList-Digest Wednesday, July 24, 2002 Issue 374
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Help W/ comparing years
2. Re: Help W/ comparing years
3. Help w/comparing years
4. Re: elp W/ comparing years
5. Re: help w/comparing years
6. Grey water tank (Was: Help w/comparing years)
7. Re: Antennae service help
8. Re: Help W/ comparing years
9. Tambour Doors/Gray Water Tanks
10. Re: "Trailer Travel" IMHO
11. Re: Antennae service help
12. 3-way refridgerator - charging system
13. Re: 3-way refridgerator - charging system
14. help w/comparing years
15. Re: Land Yacht vs Land Yacht International
16. Re: Antennae service help
17. Freeze damaged plumbing help and welding plastic information
18. Re: Land Yacht vs Land Yacht International
19. Re: Antennae service help
20. Re: how to fix the bowed flooring at the doorway of a 59 Traveler
21. Re: Antennae service help
22. Travel lock
23. Re: Charge line fuses
24. Re: Charge line fuses
25. Re: Freeze damaged plumbing help and welding plastic information
26. Re: Freeze damaged plumbing help and welding plastic information
27. Re: Land Yacht vs Land Yacht International
28. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29. Re: Land Yacht vs Land Yacht International
30. Re: Freeze damaged plumbing help and welding plastic inform ation
31. Re: Land Yacht vs Land Yacht International
32. Re: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
33. Re: help w/comparing years
34. Re: Thanks (igh speed mishaps)
35. Re: Land Yacht vs Land Yacht International
36. Re: Freeze damaged plumbing help and welding plastic information
37. Re: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
38. HUD work on 66 Safari
39. Re: HUD work on 66 Safari
40. Re: tambour
41. Re: HUD work on 66 Safari
42. Odd Vs Even, the true length...
43. Re: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
44. Re: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
45. Re: HUD work on 66 Safari
46. Re: HUD work on 66 Safari
47. Re: HUD work on 66 Safari
48. Re: Odd Vs Even, the true length...
49. Re: Odd Vs Even, the true length...
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Message Number: 1
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:16:15 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help W/ comparing years
I believe so, although I wouldn't bet my blue tank in it....
Daisy
James Greene wrote:
>
> Daisy, I didn't realize the ' 74 Airstreams had gray water tanks. My ' 73
> Sovereign International didn't. Must have started in ' 74 then. Correct?
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daisy Welch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 23:33
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Help W/ comparing years
>
> > In a '74, you get a grey water tank. On the other hand, light weight
> > plastic is used throughout. See, I actually like plastic... but not
> > everyone does...
> >
> > Daisy
> >
> >
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Message Number: 2
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:25:55 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help W/ comparing years
Gina, the Tambours on my '73 Ambassador International were all gone
except a few pieces on the little place under the sink. the '73 that
Peter Count gave the the guts out of( a 30'er) had all it's tambour. the
Backings looked like they were fabric, but also they had a strip of
yellow tape (?) on the top and bottom, where the slats are inclined to
get worn.
I bought new tambour material and put it in. Works great, except for the
big one under the sink. I don't think I have all the tracks lined up
very well. I like the way it goes away when you want to get something. I
also like how it looks, but I have no excuse for that.
Daisy
gina terrell wrote:
>
> I have a 71 soveriegn land yacht,The tamours are in pretty good condition. I
> wonder if it has to do with higher end models. I am interested in the groups
> thoughts on this.
> gina
>
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> >Rivka,
> >
> >Check all the tambour doors carefully in the '74.
> >
> >The "70's" Airstreams all have their tambour doors made out of plastic. The
> >ones in the "early" 70's have a tendency to separate. Later on, they
> >started to put a backing on them, so they are less likely to fall apart.
> >When I was looking to buy one, I saw a lot of ealy '70s Airstreams with
> >this problem. The '77 Sovereign we eventually bought doesnt have this
> >problem.
> >
> >Unfortunately, I dont know when they switched to the "better" ones. Maybe
> >someone else on the list knows.
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >At 05:12 PM 7/22/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> >>Can one of you send me to a good place to read over what the ups and downs
> >>of certain years are , i have to pick between two that are otherwise
> >>pretty equal, I know much more about mid 60's personally, but i do know
> >>they are on the opposite sides of a very huge change over. being a '69 and
> >>a '74. i know i have seen good pages for this info , and am blanking on
> >>where.
> >>help!
> >>need to pick one very soon
> >>
> >>thanks so much
> >>
> >>>Rivka & "Destiny"
> >>My '66 Airstream Ambassador (soon to be getting a sister)
> >>
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> >
> >1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
> >Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 3
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:53:38 -0400
From: Ron Ainsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help w/comparing years
Guess what... that gray water tank in our 72 isn't original. It was likely
added by one of the two previous owners. Don't ask how because I haven't the
slighest idea, I haven't had to get into it, I just figured it was original.
Sorry if the info I sent earler confused anyone. I have the original Owner's
Manual and it don't mention anything about a gray water tank.
Ron and Barbara Ainsworth
'72 Ambassador International 29'
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Message Number: 4
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:07:05 -0400
From: "Weimers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: elp W/ comparing years
----- Original Message -----
From: "gina terrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I have a 71 soveriegn land yacht,The tamours are in pretty good condition.
I
> wonder if it has to do with higher end models. I am interested in the
groups
> thoughts on this.
I wouldn't worry too much about the type of tambour in an Airstream. I have
had two tambour doors (overhead cabinets) crack apart on my '71 Globe
Trotter. They were
paper backed. I fixed them
with duct tape and one of them has been holding for about 4 years now. The
duct tape is on the inside, of course, where you can't see it! I'm not
afraid of the old tambour any more 'cause I know I can fix it without much
trouble (or $$$ !) ( Now I worry about my old appliances!!)
When I used the duct tape I covered the entire backside of the tambour door
so it can't crack apart in a new place. Just keep it about a half inch from
the edge so it doesn't gum up the track. I used the duct tape as a
temporary repair on a camping trip 4 years ago. I was going to glue fabric
on the back when I got home, but so far the duct tape has held up just fine
...and I see no reason to fix something that's not broken! Has anyone else
tried this and had luck with it ??
I like the way the tambour looks and I believe it's advantages out weigh the
disadvantages ...except for that big one under my bathroom sink!
MARC WEIMER
Punxsutawney, PA
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Message Number: 5
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:16:08 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help w/comparing years
I do, I do !!!
Where is it ? How big is it ? do you have a rear or center bath ?
I really would like to put one it if I can...
Daisy
'73 Ambassador International 29'
Ron Ainsworth wrote:
>
> Our 72 has a gray water tank. Just in case anybody wants to know.
>
> Ron and Barbara Ainsworth
> '72 Ambassador International 29'
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Message Number: 6
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:28:05 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Grey water tank (Was: Help w/comparing years)
Randy Unter just bought a '73 Sovereign, sans grey water tank, and we've
been talking about the idea of him putting one in. I have a '75, and unless
the frame has changed, it should be doable. I'll take my service manual to
Estes Park next month and we'll brainstorm it.
It looks like a substantial part of the belly pan has to come down, and then
some serious plumbing done, but I think it would be worth the effort. We'll
let you know.
Roger
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
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Message Number: 7
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:45:50 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Antennae service help
Joy,
The original antenna would have been the Braund Skyliner. Parts for it are
still readily available. The most common failure is the lifting gears sun rot
and strip out. A replacement gears is available through most RV accessory
outlets.
The nasty caulk you refer to hopefully is the often mentioned Vulkem. Kind gray
and impossible to get off sound right??. If so it's Vulkem. Otherwise if it
kind sits there and comes off in rubbery chunks it is probably silicone. That
stuff needs to come off completely cause it ain't working.
The inside cover you describe is correct for the Braund antenna. It doesn't
take the big thing Winegard antenna's use.
Charlie
"Mr. Joy H. Harness" wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> My TV antennae is inoperative, won't crank up/down/swing from the crank
> inside.
>
> How do I get to the guts to see what's wrong. There's a nasty caulk around
> the outside base of the antennae and the inside only has a 2 inch cover for
> the shaft.
>
> Are parts available to repair the units? Or, what usually breaks to cause
> the malfunction.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> '74 Argosy, Joy
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Message Number: 8
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:50:58 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help W/ comparing years
Jim,
Airstream started putting gray tanks in the '73 Excella 500. As the top of
the line that year it was loaded. 1974 saw gray tanks on all models and
sizes. Made for some strange sized tanks.
Charlie
James Greene wrote:
> Daisy, I didn't realize the ' 74 Airstreams had gray water tanks. My ' 73
> Sovereign International didn't. Must have started in ' 74 then. Correct?
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daisy Welch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 23:33
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Help W/ comparing years
>
> > In a '74, you get a grey water tank. On the other hand, light weight
> > plastic is used throughout. See, I actually like plastic... but not
> > everyone does...
> >
> > Daisy
> >
> >
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Message Number: 9
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:50:49 -0500
From: "Dana Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tambour Doors/Gray Water Tanks
We have 73 Overlander Land Yacht International (not sure just what that
long name means, if its a plain or upper scale one) that has the paper
backed tambour doors. They seemed to be in good shape when we got it 3 yrs
ago. When we started using it, they all just fell apart immediately. The
trailer must have been setting up somewhere. I have solved this by putting a
thin cotton material, like a sheet, glued with Elmer's glue on every door.
They work just like new now.
We also don't have a gray water tank. When we boondock it really hasn't
been a bad problem if we can park it where there is tall grass to conceal
the water coming out of the back. That just doesn't look good even though
it's just wash water, but not everyone knows it's just wash water. And even
so, there are rules now about the gray water. We just have to always be
careful about that. It's a bother. We do have an auxiliary tank, but then
if the dump is not handy you still have to dump the thing somewhere.
Usually my husband dumps it into some grass after dark when no one is
looking. We still feel bad about that. We need to look into having a grey
water tank inserted somewhere, even if it is a small one.
DSK in TEXAS
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Message Number: 10
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:58:57 -0700
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "Trailer Travel" IMHO
It's not by Chronicle Books this time, but by Gibbs Smith out of Utah.
It's not hard bound, but for $17.50 you wouldn't expect it to be. I
think you'll be pleased with the quality and finish of this one.
RJ
On Monday, July 22, 2002, at 02:45 PM, Toby Folwick wrote:
> IMHO: if this book is printed by Chronicle books,
> $17.50 is probably right (or high) for the quality of
> the binding etc.
>
> of course to many of us, the content is invaluable.
>
> thumbs up for the content, thumbs down on Chronicle
> books "quality control."
>
> Toby
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Message Number: 11
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:47:58 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Antennae service help
The Braund model gears that you likely have are simple to replace and the
parts are available. You need a worm gear and a rotating gear. Call your
favorite Airstream dealer and for less than 20 bucks, you will be back in
business. I did it leaning over from a ladder but it would be easier if you
are prepared to crawl on top on the trailer. Once you get up there and take
the old one apart, replacement procedure will be obvious. I would also
recommend this for those that have a stubborn antenna as I did for two years
before it finally gave in.
Randy
> Hi All,
>
> My TV antennae is inoperative, won't crank up/down/swing from the crank
> inside.
>
> How do I get to the guts to see what's wrong. There's a nasty caulk
around
> the outside base of the antennae and the inside only has a 2 inch cover
for
> the shaft.
>
> Are parts available to repair the units? Or, what usually breaks to cause
> the malfunction.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> '74 Argosy, Joy
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 12
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:15:14 -0700
From: "Alec Fisken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 3-way refridgerator - charging system
Thanks to Marc and Dr. J. for the electricity advice!
Kathy
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Message Number: 13
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:57:09 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 3-way refridgerator - charging system
I wandered by Sears tools this evening to see if such a thing as the
ammeter that I use still exists. I didn't find it. But in the electrical
test area, I found TWO clamp on meters for DC. One for $49.99 and the
other for $109.99. Both with digital readouts. Technology seems to have
advanced from the expensive DC clamp on meters that I had noticed
before. I was very tempted to acquire the lower priced one, but didn't.
It would be an effective way to check on charging of the trailer battery
and to check for phantom or unknown loads without changing wiring to
wire in the classic ammeter.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 14
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 05:19:14 -0400
From: Ron Ainsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help w/comparing years
Hi Daisy,
I haven't had a need to get into the belly pan so I don't know where that
gray water tank is. The guy we bought the coach from just showed me where
the drain valve for it is located.
We have the rear bath, center twin berths.
BTW, anybody know why they call this coach "International Land Yatch"? I
thought it would be one or the other, but not both.
Ron and Barbara Ainsworth
'72 Ambassador International 29'
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Message Number: 15
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:02:37 -0500
From: Kevin D Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Land Yacht vs Land Yacht International
Greetings Ron and Barbara!
It is my understanding that during the years that Land Yacht was used by
Airstream as an identifier, it was a generic term that applied to all
Airstreams built. International was a premium package that could be
added to virtually any Land Yacht, and included a variety of equipment
that varied by year and possibly by series (Overlander, Sovereign, etc.)
Kevin D. Allen
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1975 Cadillac Convertible (towcar in-training)
WBCCI/VAC #6359
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Subject: [VAC] help w/comparing years
BTW, anybody know why they call this coach "International Land Yatch"?
I
thought it would be one or the other, but not both.
Ron and Barbara Ainsworth
'72 Ambassador International 29'
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Message Number: 16
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:07:52 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Antennae service help
Hi All,
I'd like to thank all those with information about my TV antennae. As one
recommendation asked: "Did you look in your Airstream Shop Manual?" Well, I
hadn't and now I'm a bit chagrinned.
Seems that the unit must be removed from the roof to change the gears. :)
Rather not do that, but . . . Well, maybe there are still ideas about the
actual service.
At least I now know the brand and can purchase appropriate parts next trip
to Washington, DC. Tough living 200 miles from a decent trailer repair
facility that stocks parts - Camping World has a lot to learn! :(
The one Airstream dealer that's within 100 miles didn't have seals, etc. for
doors and windows that I thought should be standard for a dealership with
repair facility. Maybe I should give them a try again before I open up the
roof to the weather.
Thanks,
'74 Argosy, Joy
WBCCI 1666
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Message Number: 17
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:27:59 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Freeze damaged plumbing help and welding plastic information
Hi All,
While attempting to restore the water system in the '74 Argosy 22, I found
that the lines that pass behind the plastic panel to the mixing valve.
There's a recessed storage bin behind the toilet seat covered by a padded
back rest that is hinged.
I'm thinking to cut out the storage bin as the padded back rest would cover
any patch I had to make. When I do this, I have to be sure that I can reach
the mixing valve.
OTTO, I could just go ahead and cut the mixing valve out and pull the
plumbing out.
I'm sure other's have done this and would really like to hear about
experiences and problems.
I'm also purchasing the Harbor Freight "plastic welder" with three types of
rods. HF lists a gray PVC, a green PC PP, and a white PC ABS rod
availability. Seems like the panel should be beige ABS. A weld of white
ABS might be decorative? :)
I'm thinking that the mixing valve attachment to the plastic is plywood
backed and that might complicate my plan. Any knowledge of this aspect of
freeze damage restoration?
I was informed one time that each pipe must be measured after a freeze to be
sure it is sound. Found on the basin risers that the pipes were expanded
from 3/8 inch tube to something that nothing fits! :(
'74 Argosy 22, Joy
WBCCI 1666
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Message Number: 18
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:35:52 -0400
From: Dick Kenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Land Yacht vs Land Yacht International
At 08:02 AM 7/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Greetings Ron and Barbara!
>
>It is my understanding that during the years that Land Yacht was used by
>Airstream as an identifier, it was a generic term that applied to all
>Airstreams built. International was a premium package that could be
>added to virtually any Land Yacht, and included a variety of equipment
>that varied by year and possibly by series (Overlander, Sovereign, etc.)
I had a 1972 Land Yacht Safari once. It's service manual listed
"Land Yacht" and "International" as feature/trim package names; someone on
this list told me that "Safari" meant 23' in length.
- Dick
(5368)
"God Himself, sir, does not propose to judge a man until his life is over.
Why should you and I?"
-Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784)
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Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
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Message Number: 19
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:40:30 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Antennae service help
At 09:07 AM 7/24/2002 -0400, Joy wrote:
>The one Airstream dealer that's within 100 miles didn't have seals, etc. for
>doors and windows that I thought should be standard for a dealership with
>repair facility. Maybe I should give them a try again before I open up the
>roof to the weather.
If they are standard Airstream parts, my closest dealer, Paul Sherry RV in
Piqua Ohio, will order them from Airstream, and have them drop shipped
direct from Jackson Center to my home.
You can reach their Airstream repair/parts department at: 800-499-4748
I am in no way affiliated with Paul Sherry, other than I have ordered
Airstream parts from them, and am a satisfied customer.
Dave
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WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 20
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:42:38 -0700
From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to fix the bowed flooring at the doorway of a 59 Traveler
The subfloor at the threshold is supported by the step assembly that
spans the gap between the the support on either side. A threshold strip
is usually screwed down into the subfloor to capture the flooring
material (linoleum).
The common fix is to drill holes all the way down through that strap
and use stainless fasteners to attach the threshold over the flooring
and subfloor and onto that support. The screws and washers would under
the trailer in the step box well, the countersunk heads in the threshold
strip.
Now, since this area is usually the first to get floor rot, many
trailers have repairs and mods in this area, so if someone has already
mucked it up, you have to adapt this process as necessary.
Best of luck,
RJ
'65 Caravel
'57 Flying Cloud
On Monday, July 22, 2002, at 10:57 PM, C. Hale wrote:
> Hello all,
> I'm looking for some advice about the floor at the doorway of my 59
> Traveler. I've stripped the layers of flooring down to the plywood.
> Here's
> the problem: The floor is bowed up across the doorway. There seems to
> be
> nothing to fasten it down to. What's there is the flat iron that is the
> handle for the step. I'd appreciate any suggestions, advice or
> experience
> you might have that could help me.
> Thank you.
> Cindy
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Message Number: 21
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:54:08 -0500
From: "Jim Combs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Antennae service help
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Joy,
Just remove the cover at the base of the unit (up on top
of the roof) to get at the gears. They can be replaced
without removing the antennae from the coach. There
are a couple of pins that you push out, then the gears
can be swapped.
It's a fairly quick and easy fix to do.
Jimbo / '76 Sovereign
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>Seems that the unit must be removed from the roof to change the gears. :)
>Rather not do that, but . . . Well, maybe there are still ideas about
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Joy, </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Just remove the cover at the base of the unit (up on top </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>of the roof) to get at the gears. They can be replaced </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>without removing the antennae from the coach. There </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>are a couple of pins that you push out, then the gears </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>can be swapped. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>It's a fairly quick and easy fix to do. </FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Seems that the unit must be removed from the roof to change the
gears. :)</FONT>
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Message Number: 22
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:01:15 -0700
From: Charcigar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Travel lock
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Greetings Everyone,
We had some trouble recently with the travel lock on our '67 Safari.This is the bolt
that is directly below the door handle.It has a knob that one turns from the outside
when traveling.The knob inserts a metal rod into the door frame,which in turn ,insu
The metal rod that inserts into the trailer door frame broke off recently.I would
like to replace the entire mechanism with either the same parts,or something newer
that would work just as well.
Has anyone here had experience with replacing this?I am having troubles locating
anything that will work.
Many thanks in advance.
Charlotte
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Greetings Everyone,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> We had some trouble recently with the travel
lock on our '67 Safari.This is the bolt that is directly below the door
handle.It has a knob that one turns from the outside when traveling.The knob
inserts a metal rod into the door frame,which in turn ,insures that
your door won't go flying open while driving.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> The metal rod that inserts into the trailer
door frame broke off recently.I would like to replace the entire mechanism with
either the same parts,or something newer that would work just as
well.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Has anyone here had experience with replacing
this?I am having troubles locating anything that will work.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Many thanks in advance.</FONT></DIV>
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Message Number: 23
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:33:06 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Charge line fuses
Hi,
My 67 Overlander has a 50 amp fuse on the charge line just before it attaches
to trailer battery, I now want to add one to the line that leaves the
alternator isolator, as it travels to the connector at the back of the
Suburban. What size would be good-30 amp?
Mike Hall, 67 Overlander.
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Message Number: 24
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:11:56 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Charge line fuses
That fuse is to protect the charge wire. Should be appropriate for that
wire. If the wire is #10 then 30 amps is appropriate. If larger than a
larger fuse is appropriate, at both ends.
The larger the fuse the less voltage drop in the fuse and the greater
the maximum charging rate.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 25
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:15:36 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Freeze damaged plumbing help and welding plastic information
Lines expanded to none standard sizes is a sure sign of having been
frozen...
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 26
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:49:17 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Freeze damaged plumbing help and welding plastic information
PEX tubing and the special fittings is the way to go. I repacked my entire
water line system from the regulator in the back of the trailer throughout
for around $200. This is the same stuff that the RV and Mobil home
manufacturers are using in newer rigs.
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> Lines expanded to none standard sizes is a sure sign of having been
> frozen...
>
> Gerald J.
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Message Number: 27
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:09:22 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Land Yacht vs Land Yacht International
My 66 Safari has "Land Yacht" on the ID Plaque next to the door. BTW it was
made in the Santa Fe Springs Airstream plant only a couple of miles from my
high school. Little did I know then that I would be living in one of their
shiny aluminum trailers.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
From: "Dick Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [VAC] Re: Land Yacht vs Land Yacht International
> At 08:02 AM 7/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >It is my understanding that during the years that Land Yacht was used by
> >Airstream as an identifier, it was a generic term that applied to all
> >Airstreams built.
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Message Number: 28
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:19:38 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Andy,
Do you do or know of anyone that does refurbishing of Thetford
Slideomatic from my 66 Safari. At least one valve in the Aqua Matic is
rusted and leaking. It is the input to flushing the bowl.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
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Message Number: 29
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:21:18 -0500
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Land Yacht vs Land Yacht International
On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:35:52 -0400, Dick Kenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I had a 1972 Land Yacht Safari once. It's service manual listed
>"Land Yacht" and "International" as feature/trim package names; someone on
>this list told me that "Safari" meant 23' in length.
you are correct but please note that the Excella was to the Airstream what the
Eldorado was to the Cadillac line. It had all the gizmos, gimcracks and
bells/whistles which were options to the LY or the Intl.
If you watch the "Airstream Show" as I call it, on TV (Promised Land), that is a
post 74, Intl Sovereign. the age is only a guess as I have not seen a website
where the trailer might be discussed.
My Sovereign is an Intl to which the original owner (a VP with IBM in CA - it is
a Cupertino? product) added most of the Excella options.
'snuff
chas
--
Charles L Hamilton, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Houston, TX
WBCCI #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T '76 Sovereign
www.schuetzen.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message Number: 30
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:35:03 -0500
From: "Jim Combs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Freeze damaged plumbing help and welding plastic inform ation
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Is this the shower valve you're talking about? On mine, yes, the
valve is plywood backed. It was just a 4"x4" chunk of 3/4" ply
tho -- just big enuff for the 2 sets of mounting screws. The
trim ring screws hold it up against the back of the ABS wall
it's mounted on. No glue or anything else.
BTW, I got to mine only after completely disassembling the
entire bathroom, which I was doing anyway to replace the floor.
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seem to help it. )
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>I'm thinking that the mixing valve attachment to the plastic is plywood
>backed and that might complicate my plan. Any knowledge of this aspect of
>freeze damage restoration?
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Is this the shower valve you're talking about? On mine, yes, the
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>valve is plywood backed. It was just a 4"x4" chunk of
3/4" ply </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>tho -- just big enuff for the 2 sets of mounting screws. The
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>trim ring screws hold it up against the back of the ABS wall </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>it's mounted on. No glue or anything else. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>BTW, I got to mine only after completely disassembling the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>entire bathroom, which I was doing anyway to replace the floor.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>( PS -- list moderators: I've got my IE - Tool, Options, Mail
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Format set to "Plain Text", but I see my posts are showing
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>it out (?) Anyway, I'm sorry about the format, but I can't
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Jimbo / '76 Sovereign</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Mr. Joy H. Hansen [<A
HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>[snip]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>I'm thinking that the mixing valve attachment to the plastic is
plywood</FONT>
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Message Number: 31
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:42:53 -0500
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Land Yacht vs Land Yacht International
On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:21:18 -0500, schuetzen - RKBA! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>this list told me that "Safari" meant 23' in length.
for many years, the length the name was assigned, varied it seemed, about a foot
every year. iow, the Sovereign was either a 30 or a 31, the Safari was either a
22 or a 23, the Tradewind... well, you get the picture. These lengths for each
year were on a website somewhere 4 or 5 yrs ago. Do not remember now, where
that site was. perhaps someone could look around. also, remember, that length
included the 4? feet of tongue and 1? foot of bumper. That living space quickly
shortens to much less when those numbers are removed. A Sovereign becomes a 25'
trailer. Your Safari becomes an 18 footer and so on.
Although the length numbers changed each year from an odd to an even, I am not
all that sure that the trailer actually, in fact, changed length. Anyone know
the technicals of this?
--
Charles L Hamilton, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Houston, TX
WBCCI #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T '76 Sovereign
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Message Number: 32
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:55:01 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Bob. Parts for the old Thetford toilets have not been available for years. A
replacement toilet is the fix.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airtreamparts.com
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Message Number: 33
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:51:31 -0500
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help w/comparing years
On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 05:19:14 -0400, Ron Ainsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>BTW, anybody know why they call this coach "International Land Yatch"? I
>thought it would be one or the other, but not both.
could you tell us where you find that term written or ... where did you see it?
that might help us to dispel or learn something new.
thanks
chas
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Message Number: 34
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:00:46 -0400
From: "Kit Sullivan Mac.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Thanks (igh speed mishaps)
Just a note to thank everyone for the helpful advice!
Kit
'62 Bambi
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Message Number: 35
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:16:56 -0400
From: "Melvin Mudgett-Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Land Yacht vs Land Yacht International
The best site I've found for seeing all of the years is:
http://www.vintageairstream.com
The archives are at:
http://www.vintageairstream.com/archives/index.html
There's a full list of lengths, model names and pictures, it's a great
site.
>These lengths for each year were on a website somewhere 4 or 5 yrs ago.
Do not remember now, where that site was.
Mel and Sheila
'72 Trade Wind
Cleveland, OH
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Message Number: 36
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:26:28 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Freeze damaged plumbing help and welding plastic information
Hi Don,
I'm particularly interested in the pressure valve and reverse flow valves in
your system. My Safari has the pressure regulator; however, the previous
owner of the Argosy trashed the plumbing and started the replacement with
pex. Water hose to the city water, valves in place of what I considered
necessary reverse flow valves. I think it's a case of haste makes waste,
but I don't know Argosy water systems unless they are exactly like the
Safari.
What's your thoughts?
BTW, removing the entire toilet/shower surround to get at the plumbing might
scare me with floor rot! :(
'74 Argosy 22, Joy
WBCCI 1666
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Message Number: 37
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:36:33 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Andy,
It seems to me that there is no replacement toilet that will allow
installation in the original fiberglass bench of my 66 Safari and keep the
foot pedal. Is that not correct?
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
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> Bob. Parts for the old Thetford toilets have not been available for years.
A
> replacement toilet is the fix.
>
> Andy
> inlandrv.com
> airtreamparts.com
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Message Number: 38
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:59:54 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HUD work on 66 Safari
Some time back I told the list that I had received a HUD grant for necessary
repairs to my 66 Safari. This was possible because the City of Oceanside
allows such grants for permanently installed mobile homes. I am really
pushing that definition :)
Anyway the work is in progress and here is a report. I have been involved
every step of the way to assure quality and get maximum bang for the buck.
The Armstrong A/C was very difficult to remove because of sheer weight. We
cut the unit into three components to bring it down. In it's place the
contractor put a Fantastic Fan "Create a Breeze" unit. It is working as I
type, keeping the unit at 82 degrees on a very hot So Cal day.
The overhead area that was previously covered by the A/C was very stained
and dirty but cleaned up well with 409 and stainless steel wool. I plan to
put rivets in the empty holes. There is a 4" hole that needs patching.
Does anyone have creative or functional ideas for how to best patch it.
There was some rot on the floor near the door but the contractor did a nice
job of patching. They also pulled the floor heater in the head. It could
not have been stock because it was very poorly installed. I will have to
get a welder to span breaks in the structure (cross and lengthwise) when the
patching work is done. Then I will patch the underbelly.
Left to go is the Congoleum Vinyl flooring and replacement of bad copper
pipe with flex pipe.
All in all I thank my lucky stars for the HUD grant. It is allowing
necessary repairs that I could otherwise not afford.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
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Message Number: 39
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:16:40 -0500
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HUD work on 66 Safari
how about correcting your date on your pc??
it is July, not August.
thanks
chas
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Message Number: 40
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:21:51 -0500
From: "gina terrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: tambour
Hey guys, I looked at my tambour they apear to be backed with fabric and
are made of some sort of fiber board in my 1971. they are a little worn and
appear to be origenal. hmmmmmm
gina
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>
> > I have a 71 soveriegn land yacht,The tamours are in pretty good
>condition.
>I
> > wonder if it has to do with higher end models. I am interested in the
>groups
> > thoughts on this.
>
>I wouldn't worry too much about the type of tambour in an Airstream. I
>have
>had two tambour doors (overhead cabinets) crack apart on my '71 Globe
>Trotter. They were
>paper backed. I fixed them
>with duct tape and one of them has been holding for about 4 years now. The
>duct tape is on the inside, of course, where you can't see it! I'm not
>afraid of the old tambour any more 'cause I know I can fix it without much
>trouble (or $$$ !) ( Now I worry about my old appliances!!)
>
>When I used the duct tape I covered the entire backside of the tambour door
>so it can't crack apart in a new place. Just keep it about a half inch from
>the edge so it doesn't gum up the track. I used the duct tape as a
>temporary repair on a camping trip 4 years ago. I was going to glue fabric
>on the back when I got home, but so far the duct tape has held up just fine
>...and I see no reason to fix something that's not broken! Has anyone
>else
>tried this and had luck with it ??
>
>I like the way the tambour looks and I believe it's advantages out weigh
>the
>disadvantages ...except for that big one under my bathroom sink!
>
>MARC WEIMER
>Punxsutawney, PA
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Message Number: 41
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:09:50 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HUD work on 66 Safari
A VAC MEMBER IN TEXAS SENT THIS:
> On Sat, 24 July 2002 11:59:54 -0700, "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> >All in all I thank my lucky stars for the HUD grant. It is allowing
> >necessary repairs that I could otherwise not afford.
>
> welfare is great!
> all of us taxpayers are happy to see that you are happy enjoying our tax
> dollars.
> keep on sucking those Fed dollars, as you seem to be a true son of the
Socialist
> State of Kalifornia... meanwhile, the rest of us not members of a
> Socialist/Communist society will continue paying for our own repairs.
Really
> cannot believe that anyone would get on any elist and brag about using
welfare
> for anything.!!
>
> fwiw
> chas
I felt compelled to publish my reply.
Dear Chas,
I don't think you really know me OR you wouldn't say such things. I had my
first job at age 5 in New York as a TV actor. I worked more or less
straight through until my mid 50's. During that time I founded two world
industries, videography and downhill bicycle touring. Today thousands of
people make their livings in the industries that I founded and nurtured.
I will not get into the personal tragedies that caused me to lose my
businesses but I will say that at one time I was among the most sued men in
the world. People just wouldn't take responsibility for their actions and
when they fell down on their bicycles they tried to take it from my company.
You sound like a nice enough fellow . . . albeit judgmental. Maybe we could
have a sporting wager on who has paid the most taxes to date. One thing I
am sure of, is that YOU are not paying for MY grant. I covered it a long
time ago.
One more thing. There are many people on this list who could use the help
of HUD to maintain their modest Airstream homes. I related my experiences
to help them without a thought that it would offend you or others.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
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Message Number: 42
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:19:04 -0700
From: Rivka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Odd Vs Even, the true length...
I do know that on mine, i have a '66 Ambassador when they were still
using even numbers, and they called it a 28' but in my owners book
they list is as a real bumper to ball length of 28'8" so my
suspicion is that in '69 when they went to odd numbers, it probably
coincided with the bigger is better thinking of the 70's and the
rounded up instead of down. Probably with out really changing
anything but the sales approach.
To test this theory, does anyone have a post '68 ambassador with the
book that lists the true b 2 b length?
>Although the length numbers changed each year from an odd to an even, I am not
>all that sure that the trailer actually, in fact, changed length. Anyone know
>the technicals of this?
--
Rivka & "Destiny"
My '66 (28'8") Airstream Ambassador
If it's a penny for your thoughts and you put in your two cents worth,
then someone, somewhere is making a penny. -Steven Wright
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Message Number: 43
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:57:13 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Bob. The Airstream factory and I work on a replacement years ago. However,
you must open the fiberglass shelf as the replacement toilet is dropped down
through the bench and then tied into the floor flange. As of this time, I am
aware of only one that will fit.
Andy
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Message Number: 44
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:09:03 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Thanks for the information Andy. We have opened the unit and the Aqua Matic
and have resealed all gaskets and fortified all connections. Tomorrow we'll
know if we have beat the leaks. If not, I'll check out your substitute
unit.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 1:57 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Bob. The Airstream factory and I work on a replacement years ago. However,
> you must open the fiberglass shelf as the replacement toilet is dropped
down
> through the bench and then tied into the floor flange. As of this time, I
am
> aware of only one that will fit.
>
> Andy
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Message Number: 45
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:32:15 -0400
From: "Melvin Mudgett-Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HUD work on 66 Safari
Thought I better get this in quick before the thread is banned:
RIGHT ON CRUISER BOB.
Mel and Sheila
'72 Trade Wind
Cleveland, OH
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Message Number: 46
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:55:24 -0500
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HUD work on 66 Safari
On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:09:50 -0700, "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>A VAC MEMBER IN TEXAS SENT THIS:
>> On Sat, 24 July 2002 11:59:54 -0700, "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> >
cannot believe that any body of decent character and ethics would post a private
off list email to the list without the permission of the other party.
you have grievously violated all the netiquette rules.
further, you justify by doing so, my views on your heritage and socialist
beliefs. you are now twitted from my PC>
...
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Message Number: 47
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:15:48 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HUD work on 66 Safari
It is an interesting dilemma that the person who starts a thread rarely gets
the last word, but I shall try. You have no right to contact me on this
list and slur my "heritage" The first mention of my name in proximity to
the words "socialist and Kalifornia" came in a highly positive post from
Steve, a VAC member in England. He wrote:
"Maybe Cruiser Bob is planning to take out the socialists in'Kalifornia'?"
You picked up those words and reversed the meaning to make me a socialist
from Kalifornia in an insulting post that responded to an open thread on the
VAC list. Your words were neither informed or original and I felt that such
thinking should be exposed to the group in an effort to snuff it out. As to
the matter of netiquette I snipped your email address for your privacy. I
am honored to be "twitted" from your PC and hope this ends here.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
> cannot believe that any body of decent character and ethics would post a
private
> off list email to the list without the permission of the other party.
> you have grievously violated all the netiquette rules.
> further, you justify by doing so, my views on your heritage and socialist
> beliefs. you are now twitted from my PC>
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Message Number: 48
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:46:32 -0400
From: "Thomas LaVergne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Odd Vs Even, the true length...
----- Original Message -----
From: Rivka
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:19 PM
Subject: [VAC] Odd Vs Even, the true length...
To test this theory, does anyone have a post '68 ambassador with the
book that lists the true b 2 b length?
I have a 1978 Ambassador. I just measured mine from ball to bumper and it
is 28'. I also checked the service manual which lists the chassis assembly
at 28 feet.
Thomas #8848
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Message Number: 49
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:09:22 +0100
From: Marie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Odd Vs Even, the true length...
I have a 1976 Ambassador 29', listed in the Service manual and Owners'
manual as 29'
(does this help?)
Marie
UK
>Subject: [VAC] Odd Vs Even, the true length...
>To test this theory, does anyone have a post '68 ambassador with the
>book that lists the true b 2 b length?
>
>I have a 1978 Ambassador. I just measured mine from ball to bumper and it
>is 28'. I also checked the service manual which lists the chassis assembly
>at 28 feet.
>Thomas #8848
>
>
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