JMJM, I am not the one who first brought up the subject of spirituality and used that term in these posts. That was you.
It all started in you post 11750 on 04Sep when you posted: "I suspect that Zen is just a mental balancing excercise without spirituality." That generated a lot of posting activity from many people, including me lauding that assertion. You then started this particular thread in post 11814 on 07 Sep that has 'true spirituality' in the title. (That begs the question what 'false spirituality' is, but I didn't ask that of you.) To answer you present question, I beleive all spirituality is maya, so I really don't know how to define it any more detailed than that. All spirituality is an illusion - true spirituality, false sprituality, blue sprituality, bad sprituality, etc... ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - è¦ºå¦ç²¾æ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bill, What is your definition of spiritualism & spirituality in the > common day context? Thanks, JM > > Bill Smart wrote: > > > > JMJM, > > > > Thanks for your clarifications. > > > > Much of your description of Chi below sounds like Buddha Nature as > > that term is used in English translations of Japanese Zen Buddhist > > writings. Are you aware of this, and is there indeed a difference or > > are these two concepts the pretty much the same? > > > > Your comments about how people can use Chi are good examples of the > > spritualism I reject and classify as maya, but they're entertaining > > to think about. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > Jue Miao Jing Ming - Ã¨Â¦ÂºÃ¥Â¦â¢Ã§Â²Â¾Ã¦ËÅ½ > > <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > > > > > Good questions Bill, > > > > > > Chi is pronounced Cheee. In Japnese it is pronounced Ki, like > > ReiKi. > > > In new Chinese, it is spelled Qi, but pronounced the same. > > > > > > #2 is the detailed answer. Chi is the universal life force and > > > therefore it is always one and connected. Yet, it could be > > blocked. If > > > it were blocked in our body, like teachings of QiGong or > > acupuncture, > > > then we become sick or injured. It if blocks our mind, we becomes > > > crazy. These blockages are called karma in Buddhist terms and just > > > blockage in traditional Chinese medicine. > > > > > > Because Chi is pure energy, not visible, not in any form. There > > are > > > occasion people take vantage of its illusiveness. So beware, as > > pointed > > > out by Edgar. Some martial artists can hurt you even without > > touching > > > you. Doctors can heal you also without touching you. I have had > > both > > > type of experiences many times. > > > > > > Sometimes, Chi is used as a descriptor. For instance, your Chi is > > bad, > > > meaning you don't look too well. This calligraphy has no chi, > > meaning, > > > it flows bad. > > > > > > Let me know if you have any other question. > > > JM > > > > > > Bill Smart wrote: > > > > > > > > JMJM, > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Zen_Forum% > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > Jue Miao Jing Ming - ÃÂ¨ÃÂ¦ÃÂºÃÂ¥ÃÂ¦Ã¢âÂ¢ ÃÂ§ÃÂ²ÃÂ¾ÃÂ¦ÃÅ"Ã Â½ > > > > <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Chi of us can be connected to Chi of others only if we don't > > > > use our > > > > > mind, eyes, mouth, nose, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think maybe some of our difficulty in communicating comes down > > to > > > > word usage. > > > > > > > > In the above sentence, do you mean: > > > > > > > > 1. I have my Chi and you have your Chi, but the Chi's are not now > > > > connected, and the only way (or at least part of the way) I can > > > > connect to your Chi is to not use my senses? > > > > > > > > 2. Or...I have Chi and you have Chi, and the Chi is the same Chi > > so > > > > by definition is already connected, but the only way I can sense > > or > > > > become aware of that connection is to not use my senses? > > > > > > > > 3. Or...something else? > > > > > > > > Also, is 'Chi' pronouced 'chee' (like the first part of 'cheese', > > > > or 'key' with a hard 'c' pronounced like 'k'; and is it also > > > > sometimes rendered into English as 'Qi'? > > > > > > > > Thanks...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/