I am coming to the defence of JMJM. 'Chi' is not spirit. It is very much 
physical, though the mechanism has yet to be discovered by science.

--- On Wed, 20/10/10, mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 20 October, 2010, 8:59 AM


Just like to state that I didn't get that info from the Larry King programme! 
You're right about the need to still "sit through", however to know that we are 
somehow changing our brain/thoughts for the positive in a concrete, 
physiological way frees us from a lot of the esoteric and ceremonial nonsense 
that Zen is clouded in (no offence meant, but 'spirit' and 'chi' could be put 
into that category). 

From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.j...@gmail.com>
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 20 October, 2010 9:43:33
Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question


Yes,  as per Larry King program, about 2-3 weeks ago, a bunch of scientists did 
say that our brain can be changed.

Yet even if we accept this discovery, we still need to "sit through".  

Knowing any of this does not help us with any short cut.

Words are forms.  Words are in a domain separate from the domain of energy and 

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can

On 10/19/2010 5:23 PM, mike brown wrote: 

ED, Bill, Mayka et al,
If I can just jump in here. There is scientific data to suggest that the brain 
has a kind of plasticity and so can be neurologically changed according to how 
it is used. I think this is should hold a huge interest for those of us 
interested in zen/meditation. Learning to pay attention to the moment and 
letting go of negative thoughts can be seen as a 'skill' just like learning a 
language or playing the piano. If one incorporates sitting into their daily 
lives it'd be possible to change the physiology of the brain to better respond 
to internal/external stimuli with happier results. Zen, as an art of living, 
could then jettison all the religious mumbo-jumbo that it's wrapped up in now.

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