Re: [Zen] Re: Mindfulness pt 2

[Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明]

Hi Dave P,

Great.  You are willing to give it a try.  Here is the link to my 
previous post on detailed instructions. 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/21977

The following instructions are non-negotiable.
1.  Please don't use a CD.  No music.  No voice.  Complete silence is 
the only way to rest your over-stressed mind.
2.  Feel and sense the air passing into your nose, then throat, then 
lunch then your belly.  We called it, "follow the path of your breathing."
3.  Don't worry about the time, do as long as you can.  30 minutes is 
better, but 10 minutes is fine too.  Slowly learn to sit longer.  Don't 
worry if you failed to breath for ten minutes.  Neither should you 
expect to belly breathe for 30 minutes.  Just sit quietly FOLLOW the 
path of your breathing.
4.  You must commit to do it every day at same time and same place in 
the morning before breakfast.  Not while you are tired or agitated or upset.

Let me know if you have any questions.  Are my instructions clear?  Can 
you commit to do it for a minimum of 30 days?

JM


Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org


On 1/2/2011 12:21 PM, Dave P wrote:


1) Is ten minutes okay? I ask because I already have a timed CD with a 
10 minute zazen session.
2) I hope I don't come accross as distrustful of your suggestions! I 
have had problems with that on the OCD board.
3) I think I might have lost your instruction. I am aware of breathing 
from the diaphram, and have been doing that for about three years 
rather irregularly.

I really hope this doesn't come off as distrustful!

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, 
Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.j...@...> wrote:
>
> Dearest Dave,
>
> When we suffer, one of the symptoms is to be distrustful of every
> suggestion, because we have been cheated continuously far too long.
> Instead of questioning or thinking.... may I suggest....
>
> If you could, please take fifteen minutes every day to do belly
> breathing for 30 days at same time and same place by following my
> instructions from my previous post.
>
> If you promise that you will commit to belly breathing for 30 days, I
> will help by transmit the blessing of GuanYin Bodhisatva to you.
>
> Deal?
> JM
>
> Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> http://www.heartchan.org
>
>
> On 1/1/2011 9:39 AM, Dave P wrote:
> >
> > Here's another dillemma i've had. the idea that everything is under
> > control, and the difference between that and choice. There is the
> > phrase "pain is inevitable, suffering is optional." I think that 
there
> > is truth in that, but I still feel that choosing to feel one may
> > nmeans that you have to ACT. That your actions have consequences that
> > you cannot control, a notion that paralyzes me. Can mindfulness help
> > with that? If so, how?
> >
> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Happy New Year Ed,
> > >
> > > Propose another word in place of "mindfulness" is a very challenging
> > > task. Let me explain.
> > >
> > > In the practice and dealing with everyday life, we say "Be aware 
but
> > not
> > > attached to", "focus but not focusing", "observe but not 
observing",
> > are
> > > some of the terms we use while we translate from our Chinese text to
> > > English. In other words, "sync to the universal wisdom at every 
moment,
> > > and not be attached to the meaning of the phenomena." is the 
phrase we
> > > need to represent with a single word.
> > >
> > > The most common general terms as a verb in the practice, we use 
are "be
> > > aware", "sense", "feel", etc. i.e. "sense our breathing", "feel the
> > > chakra". They are usually terms applying also to emotions, 
feelings as
> > > well as our general overall well being, physical and spiritual. 
We can
> > > not separate our "true feeling" from our body or mind.
> > >
> > > We are very careful not to consistently use the same word. 
Especially
> > > the practice to "notice" the conditions of our body, mind and 
spirit,
> > > could require different verb for a similar function. Chan teaching
> > > requires flexibility.
> > >
> > > The purpose of Chan wordings are nothing but to wake up the
> > > practitioner, and not to set a path or a rule to follow. After 5,000
> > > words, Diamond Sutra said only one thing, "Whatever you think it 
is, it
> > > is not. It just is."
> > >
> > > Perhaps a lot of times, I am guilty in becoming lazy and just say,
> > > "Shut up, Sit down and Stop thinking."
> > > LOL.
> > >
> > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> > > http://www.heartchan.org
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/1/2011 7:37 AM, ED wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > JM,
> > > >
> > > > What is your proposed definition of 'mindfulness'?
> > > >
> > > > --ED
> > > >
> > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Jue Miao Jing Ming -
> > 覺妙精æËÅ"Ž
> > > > <chan.jmjm@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > Thank you JDB. Indeed we also teach "emptiness of mind".
> > > >
> > > > Somehow the western Zen is stuck on the label of "mind" and 
would not
> > > > let go. There is even a seminar about the small mind and 
big mind.
> > > > Though all journeys lead to the same place.
> > > >
> > > > "Mind" is too close to "thinking". It can be easily 
misunderstood and
> > > > misinterpreted.
> > > >
> > > > We teach "empty your mind", "enhance your heart". And we 
continue to
> > > > say "because heart is where we could unify our body, mind and 
spirit."
> > > >
> > > > Somehow, unify our body to the same physical structure as the
> > universe
> > > > is not emphasized in western Zen. Most of the reading 
that I have
> > > > encountered with focuses mainly on the mind and its awareness, 
not on
> > > > the body and little on the spirit. Though we constantly 
talked
> > about
> > > > body, mind and spirit, but in essence, they are one and
> > inseparable.Â
> > > > Just like the universe.
> > > >
> > > > In our school, awareness does not reside in the mind. 
Awareness is a
> > > > function of our spirit, which reside in our heart. 
"Heart" is not
> > > > the organic heart, but our "total well being", our "center" or
> > > > "ONE". Awareness enhancement helps us to be awakened to the
> > Absolute
> > > > Awareness of the universe.
> > > >
> > > > This brings this post to another question. What does Zen say 
about
> > our
> > > > spirit? Our spiritual levels, our spiritual being, spiritual 
karma,
> > > > the sixth, seventh and eighth consciousness?
> > > >
> > > > After several years with this forum, I have read little about
> > these.Â
> > > > In other words, to be enlightened, we need to surpass karmic
> > hindrance
> > > > of body, mind and spirit. We need to work on all three.
> > > >
> > > > Otherwise, we are just imagining and hoping.
> > > >
> > > > On this New Year Day, I hope this post is not too 
objectionable to
> > ALL.
> > > >
> > > > Happy New Year and thank you for your patience and 
understanding for
> > > > all the years.
> > > > JMJM
> > > > Head Teacher
> > > > Order Of Chan
> > > >
> > > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> > > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> > > > http://www.heartchan.org
> > > >
> > > > On 12/31/2010 10:12 PM, Rev. Joriki Dat Baker wrote:
> > > >> Â
> > > >> Or the emptiness of mind.
> > > >> I wonder if something similar could be said about mindfulness.
> > > >> "Mindful" in the Western sense seems to be directing your 
attention
> > > >> in one direction, However, maybe a better translation is "mind
> > > >> fullness," as in you experience everything with the fullness 
of your
> > > >> mind. Or am I way off here?
> > > >>
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