I haven't been following this discussion closely, but this easily roiled mind 
you speak of, don't we all have one of those?  Would anyone on the forum say 
that they haven't do you think? That would be interesting.


--- On Wed, 1/12/11, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Zen] Re: Not understanding mindfulness
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 3:03 PM



Hi Mayka,
I hear your opinion and respect your right to hold it. 
In my observation, considering the ease with which your mind gets roiled, 
whatever practice you are engaged in needs retuning. You appear not to be the 
optimal poster-child for the tranquility that Zazen practice usually brings.
Best regards, 
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez <flordel...@...> wrote:
> Chris.
> It´s kind of you to apologise to ED if you believe having done something 
> incorrect.  The only thing here is that you didn´t.  The example of the peach 
> has as much value as the example of the rice as both come from the direct 
> experience of the practise from two different people.. This is called the 
> fruits of the practice.
> Unless Mr ED and similars get into the real practise of zen, their opinions 
> are not relevant and not certainly relable at present as far as zen 
> concerns.  Mr ED opinions in zen only will be reliable the day that he'll be 
> talking about any subject he has experienced by himself and not because 
> somebody else has said that.
> Best
> Mayka






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