Re: [RCSE] Sanyo AA Eneloop Rechargeable Batteries
good cells for rx/tx. One of the issues with using lipos in these situations is that if you leave the device on, the cells will drain and die. Eneloops don't have this issue. So eneloops for tx/rx. The one disadvantage, if you are used to lipo's light weight, eneloops will affect the balance. (including in my tx which is MUCH heavier with the eneloops) On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm using them in a 3-channel transmitter. They run it (Futaba PM) for 14 hours and hold their charge on the shelf like a lipo. The internal impedance is 25 milliohms. So not great, about the same as the Santo 2700 AA cells. Here's their website: http://www.eneloopusa.com/ Cell Specs: http://www.eneloopusa.com/pdf/HR-3UTG_Spec-eneloop.pdf Neat cells. Treat like a NiMH and they act like a Lipo (with respect to holding the charge on the shelf). Bill Robert P Buxton wrote: Has anyone on the exchange had any first hand experience with these batteries. I acquired 4 from a friend and made up a flight pack. Cycled them twice and they were right on the money at 2000mA. My concern is that I will be running 6 JR digital servos on this battery, therefore does anyone know the internal impedance for these batteries? All comments welcome RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] JR/Specktrum 2.4 Stuff, Bet You Didn't Know This!
Gordy, Old news, but I am glad you decided to finally read the manuals... :) On 4/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gordy, I guess what all this means is that the TX trnansmits your screw-ups faster to the plane? Gee, now everyone will see the plane swerve faster left and right as it approaches the spot. I'm glad I got the new 9303. Chris Original Message Subject: [RCSE] JR/Specktrum 2.4 Stuff, Bet You Didn't Know This! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, April 18, 2008 12:47 pm To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have owned an XPS conversion for my 9303 for some time and used it at the SWC in my Woody, the same carbon fuse challenges apply to their system but not much has been done by sailplaners to solve the install to make it work I'm new to the JR Spektrum systems so spending more time and thought on it right nowand like the rest of us, I've been nagging the experts with questions, so to minimize FAQ's I'll keep sharing what I find out.:-) I asked if there was a difference between a dedicated 2.4 9303 and a 9303 with a Spektrum 2.4 module, cuz you knowlike all sailplaners I'm cheap! :-) I had heard some thing on the fields about one being faster or some such so didn't pay much attention, but there really is a reason to get the dedicated 2.4 TX. Take a look, Integrated 2.4 has 2048 resolution and lower latency (faster response time) then the module system which reads the PPM data stream coming off the pins into the module. With the module the speed and feeling is the same as a PCM system. Also the integrated X9303 gives you Model Match (model is linked to the model number in the tx so if you're not on the correct model it don't work) and Servo Sync (data stream is changed so servos on the same surface receive data at the same time: most noticeable on heli collective and elevators on GS models). So there you go! :-) Gordy **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The Polecat Challenge keeps growing...
To piggy back on this, I have a photon DLG that's for sale. Details here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=845405 This photon won the sportsman class two years ago at the polecat. Jay On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know we don't get a lot of handlaunch chatter here on the RCSE, but I know deep in your heart of hearts you really want to fly DLG :) Currently, the Polecat Challenge (June 14-16, 2008) has 73 registered, paid entrants. We've got: 38 Experts 26 Sportsman 9 Novices (never flown in a contest before) And what's really awesome is that nearly half are people are somewhat new to the sport! The Polecat has become a real draw for the new guys... Due in part to the great atmosphere, but also because of the Pro/Am on Friday afternoon that really helps the novices and sportsmen (and some of the Experts!), and nearly everyone is showing up for that as well. So, if you've ever considered flying handlaunch - this is *the* contest to attend. Buy, borrow or steal a DLG and get out to Pennsylvania on Father's Day weekend. More info: http://www.polecataero.com/polecat-challenge-2008/ (did I mention the pig roast and soaring-raffle on Saturday night?) Ben Wilson Louisville Area Soaring Society (and the Polecat Aeroplane Works Web Monkey) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] EZG Tow hook mod
How far back are you guys placing your tow hooks on the easy glider? What are you making your modified tow hooks out of? And how does it help the launch? Thanks, Jay
Re: [RCSE] Frankfort Kentucky Slope DS'ing Video, Flat Backside (the slope on Bruce D's)
That's amazing. How did you guys even find that spot? On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://nex12go.blogspot.com/ Hi guys, Our own super talented camera buff and TD pilot, Tony Utley has posted a short video clip of our DS slope in Frankfort Kentucky. Its an unusual DS site in my experience because the backside is a farm field with almost no decline to it at all, but gradually drops to about 50' below the slope edge grade about a block or so back. The zone moves from right to left and back as Slermals approach the hill and at about 2/3rds of the way into the video you can see the speed has dropped to about half what it started at, then picks back up...a big slermal will suck all the energy way from the back side and the plane will virtually come to a near stop from entering at full speed, making the pilot have to push hard to make it back out over the front edge. The plane is one of the best 'sport' DS ships I've seen around, the Pike WR Carbon. Very clean and very honest in its tracking for a Vtail..and strong too. Extremely energy efficient. The pilot? World Class DLG guy, Louisville's own, Bruce Davidson! Take a look, this DS zone is really a lot of fun for DS foamie combat, since its over a flat tall grass backside...and easy for even a newbie DS'r to work. Take a look, and thanks Tony! *If you have questions about doing videos or on the topic of Tony's site, contact him directly off line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gordy -- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Homehttp://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom000301 .
[RCSE] 2 meter easy glider, 2.4 EVO, and Hi Starts...
Gang, After not flying for the last 3-4 months, I had to shake the rust off and fly SOMETHING. I had finished my EasyGlider about a month ago, and had ordered my hosemonster about two months ago, and finished my evo conversion over 3 months ago. Family out of town, weather was good enogh, it was just time to for me to learn something new. 2 meter easglider: First thing, I have been spoiled. I have flown F5B planes, and Drela creations and this plane just isn't as efficient or clean as what I am usually fly. I did some hand launches to see how she floated. It was ok, but I couldn't get enough altitude to figure her out, and it kept tip stalling when turning. Turns out after 5 launches I see the vstab is loose, I put some tape on it and I am good to go. It is tracking much better, still not as good as what I am used to but good enough for me to consider the histart. Histart: I bought a hosemonster 3 meter high start. I thought it was kind of expensive when I bought it at the time. But after having it out at the field I am glad I went this route. The set up came with the spike, rubber, and flourescent line (which was a life saver), and the orange reel. I flew in some tall grass and if it weren't for the bright orange of the winder reel, and the flurescent purple/pink of the line I would have been lost. Could I build one of these contraptions absolutely, but for a first timer having the the chute, and everything ready built was great. 2m easy glider on 3m hosemonster. This was my first time using a high start, and I was unsure how far to pull back. Between worrying snapping the wing on launch and having the spike come out of the ground and hit me in the eye, my first launch was timid and I had a pop off. Set up for the next launch, and the plane climbed pretty well. I did maybe 15-20 launches, and it takes a LOT of strength to get the plane back where you want it, but it was extremely satisfying to watch the plane go up like it did. The wings on the EasyGlider flexed hard, but did not break and while I could find thermals, I could not control the plane well enough to take advantage of them. 2.4 Evo I love my Multiplex Evo, it is by far the easiest and most flexible programming I have come across. Problem no 2.4 module. So I converted my set up over. For info see this thread on rcgroups: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=682256highlight=evo+spektrum I used the 'parkflier' 6100 rx, and I had no issues. Plane respond when I put in input and while there was no great distance covered, it worked well enough. Conclusions: The multiplex Easyglider is ok. It needs a motor. With a motor, I can see how this plane can be a blast. Histarting it is great if you need the exercise. Also I would put a piece of tape on the Vertical stab to keep it in one piece. That said this thing is durable. Lots of cartwheels when the vstab was loose, and I just kept tossing her. I was pleasantly surprised that the plastic hook stayed in the plane, I pulled back pretty hard on the plane, and it was solid. Hosemonster, can't wait to get a 3 meter glider, and I will appreciate the winch much more going forward. All in all this was a very good day, and lifted my spirits like they haven't been lifted in months. Jay
Re: [RCSE] 2.4 Question --- line of sight answered
Good answer. I always wondered about the line of site trees question. If your plane is out of your site you have other problems to solve. On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 2:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty much a rhetorical question considering that 2.4 for RC has been operating in all disciplines for soaring and ground applications. On a comparison to 72mhz or some of the other Freqs like 900mhz, 2.4 has a bit less ability to reach around objects. Spektrum handled that 'bit' of lesser ability buy using the multiple RX system which sets up sort of a signal net or back stop to capture wayward or deflected signal information. Different than the single RX installs we became used to but easily manageable. Kind of like when you got your first foamy and the instructions said to apply packing tape, like the rest of us because it was a different form of construction from what we had been doing, it sat on the bench for a few days till we wrapped our heads around the system... The same as 72mhz systems, 2.4 doesn't work well without some help in carbon/kevlar compartments...so with 72mhz we extended antennas so that the TX had 'line of sight' with the antenna, so that the Rx could get the information sent. And then there is the obvious point to be made about the question of *a home or structure or earth topology *blocking the 'line of sight' of the TX to the RX... Unless you have my Zenni Optical $19 distance optimized prescription sun glasses, likely your own eyes won't have 'line of sight' to guide your thumbs anyway. 2.4 is kind of an old topic already ;-). But a good question in any case! Gordy Next stop Auburn Alabama...to check on my competition horse..and oh yeah my daughter in Vet school down there ;-). In a message dated 3/21/2008 1:37:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Isn't 2.4Ghz very much line of sight? -And poor at penetrating obsticles? Thus, isn't it reasonable to say that will block much of a 2.4 signal? Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Homehttp://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom000301 .
Re: [RCSE] 2.4 Question - personal experience.
Don, which version of the 6100 were you using. ver 1.6 will reboot much faster you can send it in to horizon and they will reflash it for free... Jay On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/21/08 9:37:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't 2.4Ghz very much line of sight? -And poor at penetrating obsticles? Thus, isn't it reasonable to say that a home or structure or earth topology will block much of a 2.4 signal? Bill 2.4 Ghz IS line of sight, just like 72 Mhz. However the shorter wavelength of 2.4 does not penetrate as well as the longer wave lengh of 72. Also there is less chance for blocking the 72 Mhz signal because the transmitter antenna is long and some portion is always looking at the model. Having said that, the 2.4 system will work at the limits of visibility (even DP's) as long as it has a clear shot. I tested my DX7/AR7000 (one satellite) in my house on the theory that it would work wherever the 2.4 router signal worked. I was basically correct although I had only a rudimentary method of testing the router. The signal easily penetrated through three stories of house and down the street about 500 feet with only a few fades, no packet drops and no holds. However, on a range test at 100 feet with the test button depressed, signal will be lost if you turn your back (place your body between the transmitter and model). You will also probably loose signal in flight if another person stands between you and your model. You will certainly loose signal if there is any metal object between you and your model. Looking again at the 2.4 router example, the router signal will not penetrate filing cabinets or other metal objects. The Supra installation in the 2.4 friendly pod is perfect. Hundreds of flights with no problems and now with the data capable AR7000, I can collect real numbers not just my impressions. In the several flights since data collection began, the most fades on any antenna has been 250 (10 minute flight), no lost packets and no holds. I lost a Twin Star today when the system locked out and did not reboot (reacquire) before the altitude was gone. It was using a single AR6100 and had flown for several hours on previous occasions. The model was 700 feet upwind at about 200 feet when the incident occurred. Following impact, the system worked fine as it had time to reboot. The 6100 will be replaced with an AR6200 and a satellite receiver. Bottom line - 2.4 Ghz works but requires some thought about receiver installation and transmitter location during flight. It is not as forgiving as 72Mhz, but for me, provides much more security in the crowded, uncontrolled flying sites that I frequently visit. Now can I feel the difference? I have only been using the system about a year, so maybe next year I can answer the question. Don Richmond San Diego, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hilaunch.com -- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Homehttp://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom000301 .
Re: [RCSE] I pity the 'buyer' who waits another day to buy his new Euro Moldie!'
You should have sent this out a year ago. But I agree the price is definitely going to go up. jay On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 1:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for pointing out the* idiot* part Charlie! :) I did send that out to a specific kind of person...who was also intending to wait to buy a new Euro moldie, I hadn't ever met any, but just in case they were out there I figured they might not have thought about the Euro to Dollar topic. ** I guess the post could have been sent to the rest of the soaring public too, who in waiting might get caught by rising costs. Good point Charlie! Gordy In a message dated 3/15/2008 12:17:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, to the pilots who are actually buying a new euro glider in the future.. Don't take the idiot comment to seriously.. Sometimes Gordy doesn't choose his words appropriately.. Cheers Charlie - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Soaring@airage.com *Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Saturday, March 15, 2008 9:19 AM *Subject:* [RCSE] I pity the idiot who waits another day to buy his new Euro Moldie!' Hi guys, I was just chatting life the universe and everything with Barry Kennedyand the topic came to the cost of sailplanes (to him) obviously based on the opposite directions of the Euro to Dollar. The Dollar is down a little more today again... I talk to guys all over my travels who say they will be buying a new ship in the near future...but in the near future, the prices have to go up. The sailplane's our suppliers have purchased and paid for last month is pricey...but the ones they will replace with today are going to cost them more USA cash...and cost YOU more for waiting a month...or a week. Barry has the latest version of the Supra in stock today, new aileron construction, new horn construction, lighter and stiffer and 2.4friendly...for the same $1,400 that they have been at ...but he ordered them with full wing wiring harnesses (usually another $40, almost whether you make it or buy it pre-made) at no extra charge. That's got to change if it's going to be worth him and our other brand sailplane suppliers bothering to put up with our frequently asked questions and whining about dents and flaws..and questions about 'are we there yet daddy?to make it worth the repeated trips to the airport and the friendly customs agents...paper work, loading and unloading vans, stacking, inventoryingweb site maint, etc. Wait and Wailit could cost you cash. Sumth'n to think about ;-). Gordy -- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301 -- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301
Re: [RCSE] FW: [GSWarbirds] Tech reply 2.4 and C.F.
The tech is just wrong. It depends on the fuses. I have some carbon/kevlar fuses that test ok with spektrum and I have tested some carbon fuses that didn't range test well. As always with Carbon fuses get the antennas outside the fuse to be safe, its no more difficult than it was with 72mhz. On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Fred A. Sheplavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what all the fuss is about 2.4 GHz and carbon fiber fuselages. See the message below from Horizon Fred From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Andrew Benjamin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GSWarbirds] Tech reply 2.4 and C.F. Well fellas, Here's what Horizon tech support is saying. Looks like I'm just going to have to test the thing for myself which I was planning to do anyway given the conflicting information around. Andrew, I know we have done testing on carbon fiber fuselages and have had not problems with the 2.4. From what I know their was no range problems either. If you have any other questions, please let us know! Thanks, Nathan Brady Product Support Team Member Horizon Hobby Distributors 4105 Fieldstone Rd. Champaign, IL 61822 877-504-0233 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What's the big deal about 2.4? - Lag...okay now we are getting silly
You guys can feel the difference from faster servos, servos with higher resolution, see or sense the slightest bubble in lift, detect the slightest change in the air, feel the air temp changes yet the fact that spektrum is measurably faster is somehow lost on human senses? On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 05:32:34PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |Okay I was waiting for this one. With a standard FM system, not even a |PCM System (which by the way is about the same as a 2.4 system...the |word 'digital' is sort of a hint there)...with a standard FM system the |time between a guy moving his thumb and the servo beginning its |movement is not visible to they eye...as it looks immediate. People have measured it under pretty controlled conditions and found the DX7 to be faster than most 72 MHz transmitters -- especially faster than the Futaba 9C in PCM mode doing CCPM (helicopter.) However, even in the slowest case (9C, PCM, CCPM) it's still way faster than your reflexes. So while the DX7 might be 3x faster, it still doesn't matter because you can barely tell if at all. So, yes, the Spektrum stuff is faster, but in general I'd say it doesn't matter. But of course many people disasgree, and they disagree quite loudly. References: http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t172571p1/ (Note that they're looking at CCPM, so this is a worst-case scenario that shows the 9C to be slow. With airplane modes, the difference is much smaller.) |Movement of the airframe is not 'only' a function of servo moving |servos. AIRSPEED is a bigger factor and one that varies the lag in |response way more than any micro second change in the information time |from thumb to servo. Agreed. Though to be fair, I suspect that most people who claim that radio X is faster than radio Y are also aware of this. -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only two things that are infinite in size are the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not completely sure about the universe. -- Albert Einstein RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What's the big deal about 2.4? Ask Don Quixote
Good stuff. Don't scare everyone off with the cost. You can get a module and receiver for about half as much that will allow you to retain 72mhz and use 2.4ghz. This is the avenue I have taken. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The current 2.4 excitement is partly deserved and partly justified. *At the moment* it gives rc pilots a new freedom...it has taken frequency consideration and a need for its administration, concern out of the equation of rc soaring...in a way its like there isn't radio waves being used as part of our hobbyits as though we are preparing a free flight airplane, there isn't any thinking about 'channels'. That freedom means that our minds to can shift to other components of the flight when we come to the field...and preparing the flightthe absence of radio. We still have controls to fool with but that's where it stops. Having said that, 72 has worked safely, does work safely and will continue to work safely. Arguments could be made that if anything it will be even safer and easier to use, with the drop in its population of users. Sure the doomsday guy will throw out the possibility that channel-consideration by pilots will be come lax ...making 72 a dangerous gamble. Clothespins and freq boards will come to disrepair and with it the discipline we all learned to respect as gospel on the field.* Possible*, but not realistic. I highlighted *at the moment* because 2.4 is in its sailplane infancy, ( and actually the term 2.4 is only a nickname for these kind of systems because they all currently share the same rf frequency right now there are at least two kinds of systems using 2.4) we can't tell for sure what the future holds when the 2.4 population expands course with the population of sailplane pilots decreasing as our age increases:-( What price *that* freedom? About $650 for the TX and one RX. Gordy -- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301
Re: [RCSE] What's the big deal about 2.4? - COST?
These two reasons are why I like the 2.4 system. And I will add one other, the response really is better. For the first time in my flying the plane is doing what I want when I want it, I don't have to compensate by anticipating the lag. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also like the capability of stopping anywhere, anytime and launching my DLG or E Blaster with impunity. The 2.4 system basically permits the world to be your flying field. Additionally, I fly quite a few electric powered models of all sizes and shapes and like the fact that the 2.4 system does not permit motor glitches to affect operation (the glitches still are generated, but their frequency does not affect the 2.4 system).
Re: [RCSE] What's the big deal about 2.4? - Lag...okay now we are getting silly
I will add this and leave it alone. My flying went from constant correcting of over correcting to having the plane respond the way I wanted it. And nothing, not practice, faster servos, expo, dual rates, speed, etc... improved the 'smoothness' of my flying like the spektrum. If you guys don't feel it that's fine, but the same guys that were questioning the viability of 2.4 in carbon fused sailplanes are now touting its merits. I guess someone like Joe Wurts would have to admit there is a difference for some of you guys to know that it really is a better response. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *These two reasons are why I like the 2.4 system. And I will add one other, the response really is better. For the first time in my flying the plane is doing what I want when I want it, I don't have to compensate by anticipating the lag.* ** ** Okay I was waiting for this one. With a standard FM system, not even a PCM System (which by the way is about the same as a 2.4 system...the word 'digital' is sort of a hint there)...with a standard FM system the time between a guy moving his thumb and the servo beginning its movement is not visible to they eye...as it looks immediate. However the indication above implies that the delay in the information getting to the servos from the stick is with none digital TX systems, would cause some sort of delay in the now pay attentionthe movement of the airframe. Movement of the airframe is not 'only' a function of servo moving servos. AIRSPEED is a bigger factor and one that varies the lag in response way more than any micro second change in the information time from thumb to servo. The next factor is servo speed 'while under their normal surface duties'. A far cheaper way to increase 'response' would have been to get digital servos. Lets not add fluff to an the benefits of a system which in the end is just another way to control models. And in the end the question to the above gleeful reason to own a digital systemhow many contests will that faster response time help you win this seasonmight be interesting to track compared to last season. Likely any wins won't be due to improved flying skills, it will have to be the result of that signal lag which caused slower responses of your sailplane ;-). Freedom is the big reason. Freedom to turn on anywhere, the park, that empty lot, the space next to a factorya park. Gordy pretty quick response, hey? -- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301
Re: [RCSE] covering
I use ultracote light. Very easy to apply with an iron, medium temp to stick, high to shrink. http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HANU973 Harley recomends Monokote so that's what I am going to stick with On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Chris Hallquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got a new color of Monokote its a Neon Yellow and thought it would be a great color for my Genie Pro's tail feathers I'm building. But the result was not what I wanted. Ive used the other opac colors from them and they shrank much better than this type. Also is there better covering out there you guys have tried that is more forgiving. I'd like some feed back if possible. Thanks Chris Hallquist PBSS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] For Those of You Who are JR 2.4 Challenged :) and a Question...or Two
I think XPS is not long for the 2.4 world. Anyone that has seen the companies promises vs delivery claims will understand. I think out of all of the new systems Spektrum has the best support, and that means a lot as we are finding that all of the systems have a problem of sorts. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually tried the XPS system in my 2.4 friendly Supra and had some problems. The receiver was placed between the ballast tube and servos. It was going into failsafe at about 100 yards or a little more when I was going away. Maybe I should have tried putting the receiver in the nose. Bruce T. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I happen to know that today an Xtreme system was plopped willy nilly into the nose of a 2.4 Friendly Supra, range tested and flown with no 'apparent' holds or slow downs. It even flew better when the pilot remembered to put the Xtreme Stylus Module in the TX! *Okay so I should have wrote that differently but by adding that the Stylus did have the conversion module in it after the note about the RX being in the nose made it more fun!* ** So having done both in the correct order, with out any 'apparent' issues, how comfortable will you be that all is well and right? Just wondering? Gordy PS, second question, can any body guess why the title didn't also say ,Futa or Airt Challenged? Here's a hint...Paul Bunyon didn't have one - but was one --- and those three don't. :-) -- Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598
Re: [RCSE] Re: Blaster 2
Kevin should be good for it. I would wait 24 hours at least to make sure he didn't get bogged down at work. jay On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 8:22 PM, TJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know this person? I emailed right back at 7:25 am and have heard nothing since. It's back up for sale if anyone else wants it. New Blaster II with RH wing. (Yellow/Blue) $375 (4) D60 servos $96 + shipping Tom Broeski TG Innovations, LLC 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fx 943-4178 - Original Message - From: Kevin Sharbonda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:24 AM Subject: Blaster 2 I'll take it if it isn't sold yet! Kevin Sharbonda [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1304 - Release Date: 2/29/2008 8:18 AM RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 4 pin connectors
You could try the multipex 6 pin connector. Its a bit bigger, and easier to work with. On Feb 3, 2008 8:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm assembling a model with a 2 piece wing that bolts onto an AVA fuse. Does anyone have any advise on some thing better than the 4 pin deans connectors I normally use? After a month or so I end up breaking the wires on them and they are getting harder and harder for my old arthritic fingers to use. Thanks Brian Smith RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Electric Nats....are you ready?
If I make it to the NATS I will be flying my polecateaero winddancer. If I don't make it to the NATS I will be flying my Polecataero winddancer. On Dec 16, 2007 8:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, Okay so now that the LSF is in charge of the Electric Nats, which of you have F5J stuff to fly this season and what are you going to fly in the events? How about in the SP 400 class? Gordy -- See AOL's top rated recipeshttp://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304and easy ways to stay in shapehttp://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aoltop000303for winter.
Re: [RCSE] First Flight on 2.4 Ghz
Ed, Its all relative, the 6100 flies a lot further than parkflier range. and they are small which makes them perfect for dlgs... welcome to the future. Jay On Dec 15, 2007 3:41 PM, Ed Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, add me to those flying on 2.4 GHz. I tested out my new Spektrum module in my Futaba 9C today. I put an AR6100 into an Easy Glider Electric and put the plane up and out about as far as I have ever had the Easy Glider. I sent the plane up-wind figuring if I lost connection the wind would bring it back toward me. After all this is Spektrums short range receiver. I had no problems at all, other than that the plane got small enough that I occasionally lost it in the sky and was having problems with orientation. I can guestimate that it was up about 1000 feet and probably down field from me perhaps 1800 feet, but that is all a guess. So, first test went well. Range on the AR6100, at least in this plane, seems fine. I am going to leave it in there for further testing. My target for the AR6100 is really my foam and glass slope planes which are 2M or less and typically not flown out as far as my thermal planes. Then I will work on my electrics planes and 2M planes. My first 3M will probably be a fiberglass Airtronics Legend using an AR7000 receiver. Clear Skies and Safe Flying Ed Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 2.4 install problems
When you range test are the planes on the ground or on a table? If they are on the ground put them on a table and then do the range check. The ground causes terrible range checks. Jay On Dec 13, 2007 5:16 PM, Robert Samuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought a 2.4 9303 and installed an AR6200 in an Organic which has an all Kevlar nosecone. But it does not work. I put the main receiver in the nose with the antennas fore and aft and the remote receiver on the bottom of the fuse behind the tow hook with the antennas exiting the fuse through small holes so that the antennas were pointing left and right. The range is lousy. I put an AR6100 in the nose of a DLG TabooGt (all carbon fuse) with the antennas sticking out the sides so it looks like a little catfish. The range was poor. So I extended the antennas by laying a piece of insulated wire along side the original antennas held with heat shrink so that the new wire was 31 mm longer than the original antennas. This gave me decent range and I've flown it successfully. But I don't like all that wire sticking out in the airflow. I'd like a better arrangement but can not think of one. Does anyone know of any successful installations in these planes? Or have suggestions? Thank you Robert Samuels St. Louis -- -- i'm is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. Learn morehttp://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect
[RCSE] National Balsa
If anyone is still building planes out of wood, just thought I would put a plug in for national Balsa. Easy online ordering, email confirmation and tracking number. Reasonably fast shipping and decent prices. I had just finished an order with Lone Star a few weeks back, and National seems every bet as good as they are with regards to service. I don't know if I have really light wood or not, but it all looks good. Jay
Re: [RCSE] DLGs = Bang for the Buck, NO WAY; Benchmarks- Get Real.
Jim, Your comparison is completly wrong. You are using cost per ounce as the determining factor Why? If we tie a brick to the dlg, it could go to the top cost per ounce list, and you would have a flying brick. Conversely if someone applied better (modern??) building technics to the Sagitta it would go down on the dollar per ounce. Lastly you use the most extreme example when using a dlg. Why not compare a sidewinder II. Your paradigm is wrong. Jay On Dec 2, 2007 2:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to disagree with Buzz regarding DLG being the best value. I agree that DLG has made HL more accessible to all pilots due it the ergonomics of launching them. But value, for that lets take a step back and look at it from a distance. When evaluated analytically, DLG is absolutely the worst value in soaring today. Lets take the recent example of the $1000 Vandal (all up ready to fly) that was snapped up off of RCSE recently. For simplicity assume that the plane weighs 10 oz all up. A simple calculation yields $100/oz. Now lets take a Supra at $2000 (all up: plane plus radio gear) at 65 oz. Same simple calculation yields $31/oz. OK, next up on the list is an SBXC at $2500 (all up, plane plus radio plus vario) at 176 oz. Crank, crank, the calculator tells me $14.25/oz. Getting the drift here? Now lets take Sagitta 900 at $350 (kit plus gear) weighing 40 oz. Push the little beads on the abacus and what comes out: $8.75/oz. Disclaimer- this doesn't assign any value for building, enjoying, etc. Then again, nobody really makes money out of the hobby, we all do it for fun, no? So, what is really more cost effective, soaring gold (DLG), or history (Sagitta)? On a kind of related topic, I've been having a great laugh about all this benchmark garbage. What a bunch of subjective tripe. All I really see is reminiscing about what gets an individual's attention and represents progress to them. I've been in the technology business for 40 years, and if I've learned anything, true paradigms define themselves without any help. By their very nature, the direction that technology goes after the paradigm emerges will change because of the paradigm. As my buddy Bubba would say, Y'all have a ball getting yer undies twisted with this one. Jim Thomas RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] DLGs = Bang for the Buck, NO WAY; Benchmarks- Get Real.
Classic... rather than admit you are wrong or defend your position you resort to pettiness... On Dec 2, 2007 4:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So many opinions, so little of value... -- Original message from Michael Whitman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- I disagree with your analysis. We're not flying fruit so cost per ounce is irrelevant. Mike On Dec 2, 2007, at 11:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to disagree with Buzz regarding DLG being the best value. I agree that DLG has made HL more accessible to all pilots due it the ergonomics of launching them. But value, for that lets take a step back and look at it from a distance. When evaluated analytically, DLG is absolutely the worst value in soaring today. Lets take the recent example of the $1000 Vandal (all up ready to fly) that was snapped up off of RCSE recently. For simplicity assume th at the plane weighs 10 oz all up. A simple calculation yields $100/oz. Now lets take a Supra at $2000 (all up: plane plus radio gear) at 65 oz. Same simple calculation yields $31/oz. OK, next up on the list is an SBXC at $2500 (all up, plane plus radio plus vario) at 176 oz. Crank, crank, the calculator tells me $14.25/oz. Getting the drift here? Now lets take Sagitta 900 at $350 (kit plus gear) weighing 40 oz. Push the little beads on the abacus and what comes out: $8.75/oz. Disclaimer- this doesn't assign any value for building, enjoying, etc. Then again, nobody really makes money out of the hobby, we all do it for fun, no? So, what is really more cost effective, soaring gold (DLG), or history (Sagitta)? On a kind of related topic, I've been having a great laugh about all this benchmark garbage. What a bunch of subjective tripe. All I really see is reminiscing about what gets an individual's attention and represents progress to them. I've been in the technology business for 40 years, and if I've learned anything, true paradigms define themselves without any help. By their very nature, the direction that technology goes after the paradigm emerges will change because of the paradigm. As my buddy Bubba would say, Y'all have a ball getting yer undies twisted with this one. Jim Thomas RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscr ibe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] DLGs = Bang ,etc = cost per hour.
Right on. By that comparison its hard to beat a dlg, because you can fly it anywhere. If you really want to take to the extreme, do it cost per launch/flight... On Dec 2, 2007 5:00 PM, TJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about cost per hour? Since I purchased it 4 years ago, I have flown my $3500 (value) Duo Discus 1 hour. I have flown my XP 4.5 about 80 hours... Even at $600 that would be $7.50 per hour compared to $3500 per hour. Now, I can sell my Duo for around $3000 and maybe get $300 for the DLG. So, the cost per hour on the Duo is about $500 and the cost per hour for the DLG is more like $3.75. If you calculate the total cost for a plane based on what you paid, what you sold it for (or can get for it), you will be surprised how expensive some planes are. I sold an SBXC that cost me about $1900 flying. Sold it for $900 with 18 hours on it. $55.55 per hour to fly it. I'd like to hear from some others on this way of looking at things. T - Original Message - From: Michael Whitman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] DLGs = Bang for the Buck, NO WAY; Benchmarks- Get Real. I disagree with your analysis. We're not flying fruit so cost per ounce is irrelevant. Mike On Dec 2, 2007, at 11:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to disagree with Buzz regarding DLG being the best value. I agree that DLG has made HL more accessible to all pilots due it the ergonomics of launching them. But value, for that lets take a step back and look at it from a distance. When evaluated analytically, DLG is absolutely the worst value in soaring today. Lets take the recent example of the $1000 Vandal (all up ready to fly) that was snapped up off of RCSE recently. For simplicity assume that the plane weighs 10 oz all up. A simple calculation yields $100/oz. Now lets take a Supra at $2000 (all up: plane plus radio gear) at 65 oz. Same simple calculation yields $31/oz. OK, next up on the list is an SBXC at $2500 (all up, plane plus radio plus vario) at 176 oz. Crank, crank, the calculator tells me $14.25/oz. Getting the drift here? Now lets take Sagitta 900 at $350 (kit plus gear) weighing 40 oz. Push the little beads on the abacus and what comes out: $8.75/oz. Disclaimer- this doesn't assign any value for building, enjoying, etc. Then again, nobody really makes money out of the hobby, we all do it for fun, no? So, what is really more cost effective, soaring gold (DLG), or history (Sagitta)? On a kind of related topic, I've been having a great laugh about all this benchmark garbage. What a bunch of subjective tripe. All I really see is reminiscing about what gets an individual's attention and represents progress to them. I've been in the technology business for 40 years, and if I've learned anything, true paradigms define themselves without any help. By their very nature, the direction that technology goes after the paradigm emerges will change because of the paradigm. As my buddy Bubba would say, Y'all have a ball getting yer undies twisted with this one. Jim Thomas RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.12/1163 - Release Date: 12/1/2007 12:05 PM RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra or Onyx JW, these are Me-Too Designs
Totally agree, thanks for sharing. My bench marks are: DLG Photon II Electric Moldie: Mini Graphite Big Laminated Foam: FVK Signal Landmark: FVK Bandit On Dec 1, 2007 10:58 AM, tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message ... I presented my opinions as to what is a benchmark, and specifically stated my qualifications = This thread seems to be confused by the difference between the words benchmark and landmark. Way back at the beginning, the original reference to a benchmark used the word correctly, viz. as a convenient standard for measurement or comparison. Various posters thereafter have gone off in the direction of trying to identify designs that had neat original ideas and significantly impacted later thought. The word for that is landmark. Libor is a benchmark; Marbury v Madison was a landmark. To say a plane floats better or worse or similarly to an Ava is to use an Ava as a benchmark. The speaker may or may not regard the Ava as a landmark design, but it's a convenient benchmark because everybody knows how an Ava flies. What constitutes a landmark is in the eye of the beholder. Roughly speaking, it's a design like the Fletcher or the JW-DS or the Allegro that looked unusual at the time but spawned a generation of similar planes.
[RCSE] Re: Looking for 2m histart for a EZ Glider
I am going to add to this and ask is the hose monster too much power for an easy glider? If it isn't I would just as soon get that... Thanks, Jay On Nov 30, 2007 6:24 PM, Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am hoping I can find one of these in good condition that I can use on an EASY Glider. This is my first bungee/histart/ plane and I want something that won't destroy my model. Any of you guys in CASA or BASS that have one I would love to meet you this weekend and grab it. Thanks.
Re: [RCSE] Supra or Onyx JW, these are Me-Too Designs
Thanks Phil... I thought the Supra was a refinement of one of Drela's earlier planes. which was the agea right? On Nov 30, 2007 2:25 PM, Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought the supra was a renfinement of the the thermal dancer? Oh, Jay :-( I guess we need to forgive you since you haven't been around soaring very much. The Thermal Dancer came well after the Supra and was meant to be a low cost, two piece wing model based on the Supra airfoils and tail group. Sort of a blending of the NSP bagged wing methods with the Supra airfoils and tail arrangement. Phil RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra or Onyx JW, these are Me-Too Designs
I thought the supra was a renfinement of the the thermal dancer? On Nov 29, 2007 8:41 PM, Mike Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you tell me what model the Supra is a refinement of? Wright flyer? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fred, I agree with your opinion. I read the threads and had to take a larger overview to what a benchmark actually means. In my opinion, Benchmark planes, means some plane to which other planes are compared to so that a noticeable advancement in performance, building, transport, and flying can be measured. They should be unique and contribute unique characteristics. With that said, the Onyz, or Sharon, or Supra, in fact nearly 99% of the planes on the market currently are really just refinements to existing designs, and really are not improvements. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Looking for 2m histart for a EZ Glider
I am hoping I can find one of these in good condition that I can use on an EASY Glider. This is my first bungee/histart/ plane and I want something that won't destroy my model. Any of you guys in CASA or BASS that have one I would love to meet you this weekend and grab it. Thanks.
Re: [RCSE] Price of DLG's
I saw that too, and I have to admit I just don't get it. Why so much for the Vandal? On Nov 27, 2007 7:06 PM, Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On RCGroups tonight I saw something that I thought I would never see for sale, a $1K DLG, it is a Vandal fullhouse ship with RADS. Be the first to admit that I have spent my fair share on ships, but a DLG for $1000? That environment is way too tough on airframes for me to toss that amount up into the crowded HLG skies. Hell, it is too tough for $150 ships. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] [Fwd: Lone Star Models burned out]
Oh wow, I just got my wood from them 2 weeks ago. This horrible, I hope they are ok. Jay On Nov 23, 2007 2:29 PM, Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Loan Star, the balsa supplier, etc. at Lancaster, Tx had a devastating fire the 21st and is temporarily unable to send or take orders. Computers are out and phone lines down. See http://www.lonestar-models.com/.
Re: [RCSE] Re: Soarcraft Magnum 12
Interesting take on this Magnum plane, one says it flies well the other says it doesn't. Can you guys tell us why it does fly well or why it doesn't? Thanks, J On Nov 10, 2007 11:17 PM, Fred Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was hardly an assenine question... But it was a question for my good old friend Bob.. spoken somewhat in jest. My opinion of the plane in question is simple. It was a turd.. Yes, it was a good kit and went together ok. But as a flyer, it wasn't really anything to brag or Boast about.. Get a grip. Weav schrederman wrote: I had 2 of them back in the '70s. They did indeed fly well and were a nice build, something that's lost on most modellers these days. Why would you ask such an assenine question? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Spread Spectrum...Chat Gold, Fools Gold or ?
I have seen this in operation in an fvk bandit and i was fairly impressed. Lots of altitude, motor/esc /bec interference was not present, plane was flying especially fast and there was no apparnt lag. So far so good... On 10/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to say that I view this is the single most important development in RC since the advent of proportional radios Blah blah blah... :-) I remember the same kind of comments when that magician showed up claiming he could turn lead into gold, but coincidentally didn't have any lead with him. We have been thru this kind of 'slight of hand' stuff before Can you spell PCM, DSP, IPD, heck that was the claim when the first FM radio hit the market! It 'could' be a great thing, so 'could' a pill that you drop into your gas tank, then just add water be a great thing (by the way no one bothered to mention that while the pill really did exist, each pill would have cost $500 each and would only fill one tank:-). I've yet to run into a RC engineer who believes its possible to make work for our needs (work meaning all the angles, cost, fit, reliability etc)and no I don't me railroad engineers:-) The HUGE drawback to supporting a technology like this is the same one that happen with those other systemsthey got in the way of someone actually spending time and money on something that really was a great thing, versus something that 'could' be a great thing. Lets get excited when one fits in a Pike and works everyday. Until then let the advertisements and chat rooms rattle on. Buy one, try one and show me. :) And by the way, the shoot downs can be counted on one hand per year and the glitches almost as few and far between, so what's the deal? (no that is not the same as saying I or anyone else doesn't want more bullet proof stuff). Gordy Louisville, did I mention that I won TNT RES and unlimited was mine to lose and I did :-)
Re: [RCSE] Spread Spectrum...Chat Gold, Fools Gold or ?
Or even better the GP siren's fuse. A complete abuse and misuse of carbonOn 10/20/06, Simon Van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Excellent point - carbon is over-rated in this area. Look at the Icon fuselage. Simon Van LeeuwenPnP Systems - The E-Harness of ChoiceRadius SystemsCogito Ergo ZoomQuoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In a message dated 10/20/2006 1:43:13 P.M.Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But I seriously doubt the Spreadspectrum will work as of today in a full carbon fuse without some seriousantenna installation. Very likely - OTOH, full carbon fuses areNOT MANDATORY, and given the RF difficulties they can cause (on any frequency),I am bemused that they are in such prevalent practice!Good Lift! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED].Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Google Reader: A new way to keep updated on the RCSE
An even better way to do this is to simply get a gmail account. I created a folder called RCSE and then all messages with RCSE that come in go to that folder. When I am ready to read them I do. My inbox stays clean and I have every posting from the last two years that I can search when I want to... If you don't have a gmail account, I will send an invite to the first 10 people who email me for one. Jay On 10/13/06, Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea hey this is cool. So after you create all your RSS feeds - go toyour Google personalized home page and add the reader to that. MRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED].Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] HELP!!! flying in and out of thermals and thermal turns.
Thanks for the info guys. I went out with my photon today and had a blast. I used to worry about being in the air for 30 seconds, now I can get a minute easy with the photon in still no lift air. I tried some of the suggestions like guaging each quarter of the turn, and while it helped I am STILL not that smooth on the sticks. The good thing is that I see improvement. It REALLY is about stick time... Jay On 10/10/06, Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have posted four articles on our club web site that are related tolocating and flying thermals. To read/download them go to www.flyvam.com Click on 'Downloads' and scroll down to 'Training Topics'.Regards,Bob JohnsonFond du Lac, WIRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED].Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] HELP!!! flying in and out of thermals and thermal turns.
First off I am flying a photon II R/E dlg. No flaps, no camber mode, just simple RE poly... I am not sure if anyone can help me but I have been flying through thermals. I have progressed to point where I can tell I just flew through a thermal, and I can circle and fly BACK into the thermal, but I can not figure out how big the thermal is and I can see the plane 'falling' out of the thermal. Any thoughts on how to gauge the size of a thermal, so I know how tight to turn? Also any tips on doing thermal turns so that the circles are tight and so I don't stall then speed up, then stall then speed up. Thanks for any help you can offer... Jay
Re: [RCSE] Wanted Info on Bubble Dancer
Two threads on RC Groups... I am currently building one, and though I am not a good builder I suspect it will be flyable. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=525478 Pretty good builder built his about a year ago, crashed and then repaired. its the thread I used to build mine. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=438875On 10/6/06, Bernie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested in information on this plane. Who can I contact, Kit, etc., costs, if someone has been flying one, how does it perform? 3 piece wing sections, how long? My work bench is only 48 since I moved to an apartment. Number of servos and sizes. Any help would be appreciated. SKI
[RCSE] Wing Building Techniques: Foam Laminated vs Built up Pro's and Cons?
Gang, I know the usual answer is it depends but which is the better build method? Here are the considerations... 1. Time (I want to build as quick as possible) 2. Accuracy of the build. I can cut foam wings and I can cut ribs by hand. I can also outsource these functions to have the performed by computers. 3. Durability. Which will generally take longer to wear out? 4. Easy of building. I have the bags, pumps, epoxy, ca, balsa etc... to build either. 5. Prototype? Which is the prefered method to prototype ships. This would mean really quick, almost disposeable building so that a basic feel of the plane can be gained. I can see covering a foam wing with tape or building a ribbed wing with fewer ribs and full balsa sheeting. 6. Any other considerations you may have. This will be my first official building season, and I plan on building several 60 inch planes from DLG, to mini hotliners. I purposely didn't ask about spars as I think the same spar can be used in either construction method. Thanks. Jay
Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion update
If its not about changing the LSF, then the title of the discussions should be New Soaring Program not LSF Discussion. I think that will bring focus to the discussion fia seperate class is what is truly desired. JayOn 9/14/06, CapnCrunchie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all the late commers of this conversation who keep on pipinging in onwhy change the LSF program...No one wants to change anything !!! OK? The LSF Level 1 - 5 is what it is and always shall be! It's sacred. Your levelV want be belittled. Some people would ust likean additional seperate program/task that is more suitable to there locale/financial/family circumstances. Get it? Nobody wants to changeanything - only add on. Seems like the people that can afford a quiver full of moldies don't want the wood workers to have anything to work for. BTW, what is thewebsite of that Canadian LSF-type program? I want to check into something that I can complete with my wood airplane.After all, there are still people who actually build their ships - like they used to do when the LSF was created More power to the Woodcrafters!Blue skies,Capn CrunchieGet your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
I was thinking the same thing. The first LSF task is perfect. If you spend your time getting to know your plane, then doing LSF I should be a breeze. I also think the first task goes what it should do and that's intice people to participate. If it was an overtly difficult first task, I wouldn't consider attempting the LSF. On 9/13/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/13/2006 1:39:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would you perceive the following to be a set of tasks that is at least asdifficult as LSF Level 1? Whyinhell do weNEED a replacement for Level I?! - did you mean Level II? If so, the short answer is NO, on the basis of landing requirements, if nothing else. Good Lift!
[RCSE] Starting to get it, and a few questions...
Gang,For the first time in a long time I was upset that I couldn't fly. I had planned on sneaking an hour in to fly after work, and my wife called me with a minor issue. As we all know, you have to take care of work and family and then we can fly. And for whatever reason something clicked during my last flying session with my photon DLG. that session and the time after it brought to light a few things. 1. Setting up the plane correctly is EVERYTHING. I was getting 20-30 second flights in 5-8 mph winds. I added 3 quarters and moved the CG forward a bit, not only was the plane more controllable and handled wind better, it increased my flight times up to 1 minute on average, and I could fly further away with this setup. Beautiful. 2. As one gets more serious about flying it becomes less social. What I mean is that I am less apt to fly with someone for a good time than I am to fly a plane to improve a skill. Sure I look forward to the upcoming contest season, but I would feel like I was wasting time, if I was flying just to be social. 3. Its going to take a LOT of tosses to improve even ONE aspect of my flying. My last session ended with a hand catch, and while I had a few during that session I was more likely to have it land first 20 yards away, then 10 yards away, and finally 5 feet away, consistantly. 4. R/E can give you an amazing amount of control. Whereas I am used to aileron ships, I am starting to get the hang of flying RE and I am surprised at the control.Ok, now the questions...1. To the competitive pilots, how often do you practice a week? 1 day a week for an hour? several times a week? How long are your sessions? 2. How often does the wind change during a flying session? It seems the wind changes by 45 degrees every 10-15 minutes. Most of my flying sites are surrounded by trees.3. In a 2 servo plane how low do you allow the voltage go in a 4 cell pack? I had more questions but its getting late. Thanks for the answers..Jay
Re: [RCSE] LSF Comments
I am fortunate to belong to the club that I belong too (soarcasa). Lots of people flow through this club either as members or competitors, and all are friendly with advice. I am lucky enough to have an LV at our club, and after speaking with him thought it wise to attempt the LSF. At the current time there is NO WAY I can see completing LV, especially with the Cross country and 8 hour tasks... But I do see that I can get to LII or LIII without much bother. And who knows how I will feel by the time I reach LIII (Xcountry and 8 hours may seem trivial by that time). Being LSF II or III is still fairly exclusive. I remember when I first joined my club and went out to fly with some of the other pilots. I flew only electrics at the time and didn't apprciate the importance of the club, the fellowship, the knowledge, the ama or the LSF. I had no idea what the LSF was until I spoke to the LV at my club and even after learning a bit about it I still wasn't that interested. Fast forward to today. I know get it. And I see the importance of having something such as the LSF. I respect the LV MUCH more for having completed those tasks, and I appreciate the experience that he has when he gives me advice. That said I don't think I have seen the LV fly more than a few times.. He is always helping and answering questions and to be frank I don't think I have stumped him yet. That said there is no need to change the program. The first tasks are so simple that I am thinking I can get them with my dlg. I am reasonably sure I can get the LII tasks with a two meter. At that time I can decide if its worth it to go on to III IV or V. And there is still honor in the lower to mid level tasks. I say if someone wants a new category start, and support it. Lastly, I compare the LSF to IT certifications. There is the big daddy CCIE (comparable to LV) once you have it you are pretty much respected as an expert no questions asked because everyone knows how rigorous the tasks are. Comparitively speaking the other IT Cert MCSE used to be considered a high level certification, but once the integrity of the testing process was compromised through course, stealling questions, etc... its value quickly dropped. Its still seen as important but there is always the question of is this person worthy. The difference is that the CCIE upheld its standards whereas the MCSE has faultered. I don't think the LSF should be comprimised in the same manner. JayOn 9/7/06, Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A little comment about cost.Relative to what it cost at the program inception... RC Soaring/ RC ingeneral and Travel are cheaper today .Gas has not gone up as much as other products. The rate of increase is only recently starting to keep up.RC products in general have come down. Radios are cheaper and morecapable . Analog servos are still a bargain. Digis are a little moreexpensive and may not fit the argument. About contestants.Yep the numbers are dwindling, making it harder in some cases to hold aLevel V contest. But in some areas of the country that would never havebeen possible without travel to begin with. The populations were never there.Also there are some major contests that do meet these requirements. Towater down the program will hurt those that have already done it. Alsoremember this program is international. Do you realize that in Germany they have an A and B league.Also there are some people who have always tried to get around theprogram. One poster here tried holding a contest where current Level 5'swere not allowed, so that he could get his level 5.And also recentlytried creating a new class system in the ESL so that the top expertswould be moved into a Masters class and the remaining experts could dukeit out.Not everyone will get a level 5.. that's the idea of the program. You have to achieve it. I applaud those that have. Programslike this should not be designed so everyone succeeds. What's the point?A level V is not prestigious if everyone achieves it.Do you know why we are dying? Well many clubs don't want to hold contests. Many don't want to be seen. I have heard from club membersthat adding more members means they won't be able to fly when they want.Funny thing is they don't show up that often in the first place.. but they do vote and get others to believe that nonsense.Some clubs don'twant to be seen... Think about it.. Very selfish reasons.Yes there are other reasons... competing with computers, video games...we are not viewed as a cool hobby. As a society I think we are just lazy. We want more for less. Less workmore gratification. Many are hooking up with Electrics because theydon't have to shag chutes or bring out the equip.For some it is age and they can't hoof the equip. But for others its just convenience.--Jeff SteifelRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with
Re: [RCSE] World's Largest Bubble Dancer
Ok... that's just cool... On 9/4/06, Arne Ansper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi!Spotted this in September issue of IEEE Spectrum: http://home.cyber.ee/arne/bd.jpgArneRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com .Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra ? Who couples flaps to ailerons?: Drela repost
If I couple the flaps and ailerons I like to use them 100%. the Roll rate is increased and to be honest I can't feel the extra drag. This flies in the face of conventional wisdom but its what I like... one big flaperon... JayOn 8/21/06, Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are worried about keeping the wing clean, put in more dihedraland use rudder only.If you factor in bad designs and bad airfoils, there is definitely noone 'right' answer.Douglas, Brent wrote: Now I'm really confused, even though I know the 'right' answer.I had a very good flyer sell me on the opposite - just ailerons for turning, keeping the center section of the wing 'clean'. I'm torn here - leverage really favors the outer surface, how much do you really get from the flap help? Lift, B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format .RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Need an F3B ship for the Team Selections
Check with Don Barker...On 8/3/06, Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, guys , I need to buy a plane.My primary turned to dust a couple of weeks ago...Anyone have a current F3B ship they want to sell.. MUST BE F3B layup.Primary choices... Crossfire, Mike's F3B :-) , Victor Also will consider older planes for right price. I saw a ship the otherday 6 years old and they wanted more than the price when it was new..forget it...its not happening.Also prefer all digital... --Jeff SteifelRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com .Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] philp sport declage
How does the plane fly? That's the big question. If it is flying fine then I woiuldn't touch it. If you think you need to move the stab so that its zeroed, then go ahead. I did the same thing to my bandit which had a negative 2 in the hstab. After zeroing it out, I found the plane was probably better for thermalling but not better for zooming. If you want to fly hotliner style leave it as it is. If you think you want to thermal with it adjust it abit. But I would only adjust in small increments. JayOn 8/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello After going through Performance Tuning several times, I decided to tackle my V tail Philp Sport from NeSail. I put the GP incidence bracket on the root of the wing and got itbalances laterally and horizontally. Thev tail is too narrow to really take a second incidence meter. The weight of the Aero on the feathers makes ittricky. Will have to build blocks to support tail boom and each v tail. Anyhow, after numerous measurements, the meter seems to read-3.5. Is thatappropriate for this sloper?From Nation's video, i think my goal should be 0/0. I make have to do somereal build up on the front of the v-tail. If i do glue the tail on, i was thinking of goop over epoxy. Will goop be rigid enough? I had two bolts on it but they wobble some. Finally what are the negatives for goop hinges? I am building a Thorn that calls for them. Any thoughts? Bill Snow
[RCSE] Re: Rudder Stalls and turns.
Rudder stalls this is where I found the concept. In the building instructions of the photon II there is mention of having too much deflection, and having too much deflection may 'stall the rudder'. http://www.netmeister.net/%7Ejerry/bldgp2.htm Look in the cg section of the instructions. The consensus seems to be: 1. No one has heard of a rudder stall 2. A rudder turn requires some banking other wise you will just 'slide' 3. Most people who use RES ships use the rudder on the right stick, not the left stick as I am doing at the present. JayOn 7/28/06, Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to figure out if my rudder turns are accurate. I think I am experienceing rudder stalls with my photon, from either too much deflection or from holding the deflection too long. In other word do I ever want the rudder to cause my plane to roll? Can someone explain to me what a rudderstall is and how to prevent it? Should all rudder turns remain flat? Also is a roll a rudder stall of sorts? Thanks, Jay
Re: [RCSE] Re: Rudder Stalls and turns.
Chris, That is VERY enlightening. I had just discovered I needed my elevator in my turns once I have the ship banked. I think I am going to return my rudder to my right stick. It will make flying it easier. And when I fly the aileron ships I will move it to the left side. Thanks again.. jayOn 7/31/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jay, I have been flying my Photon 1 in the IHLGF for 4 years. I have a Watson tailgroup on it (Spyderfoam/FG) which is close to the type the Photon II has. I use alot of rudder throwand use the rudder for tight thermals, as well as using it for drag breaking and stalling. You have to use the rudder in many ways, in order to get down fast, especially close to the ground. Rudders may not stall themselves but they DO STALL THE PLANE. You can go to the Drela sites and read about how tail surfaces stall. Here are my observation and use. 1) I use ALOT of rudder throw. My desire is to up end the wing ASAP if I want to core a tight thermal. 2) I use Exponential on my Rudder, mainly to create the ability to put in minor changes when first moving the stick, and major throws on the extremes. 3) If I need to use it, especially at high altitudes, I have my dual rates set up to be 40-50% fo my normal throws. I use this when I need to fly smoothly high, as well as letting some others fly the plane. 4) Rudders do stall. However, if you are experincing Rudder stalls from level flight, then your CG is back to far. Basically, you need to increase your glide speed slightly, as you are right at the point where any drag slows the entire wing down and it stalls. Be aware, that your slowest glidespeed may not be your best L/D speed. Often you need to add down elevator to speed the plane up then initiate the turn. 5) When flying rudder/Elevator, you do need to add up elevator in your turns. You will find that once you initiate a bank, only the elevator is required. The rudder is then only used to keep the plane in the bank when required, and level when it attempts to tuck in tighter in the turn. 6) I use rudder as a Spoiler/Brake all the time. There are 2 methods. 7) Method 1: If you oscillate your rudder fast, the plane does not respond, BUT the rudder acts as drag and brakes the airplane. It is like a swing/pendulum/harmonic thing. Try it when you are close to the ground apparoaching for a catch. Basically a rudder drag brake. 8) Method 2: If you move the rudders slowly, you can get a wings oscillation set up. Big Throws make is so you can respond to making the plane turn back fast. Doing this, you can essentially induced a s-turn and after 3 turns, like right, left, right, the wing tips will stall and you can getthe plane to drop 10 feet or so. 9) There are methods to do elevator stalls coming in. You pull upp elevator up to a stall, let the nose drop, then pull up for a stall, but just as it peaks give down to level the plane then pull full up, which essentially mushes the wing in a flying level stall and the plane drops vertically while still flying. All these methods do require practice. Bill Watson often said that for R/E ships 1 ft = 1 sec of flight time, so you can basically gauge how high you need to be to make a time. 10) While most now do not do it, I like to fly a gyro on a poly ship. I tune down the gyro so that the rudder does ge affected when thermaling. Try to tune it down as low as possible as required for the throw, but so it does not affect thermal turns. 11) My Rudders are fairly thick, and the LEs blunted. the Drella sites will talk about airfoil deadband, as well as stalling. 12) As for the Rudder stick, are you right handed or left handed. As a right handed person I have flown with R/E on the right stick.This is like most. I have been flying R/E HLGs for a very long time and basically those who fly aileron ships never realize the handicaps R/E ships have. Sometimes I ask a aileron flyer to try a R/E ship because it does require a blend of R/E that shows a aileron pilot the need to add more rudder in turns. I envy the aileron giys alot too, they fly their planes well. Good Luck, Chris Adams LSF 348 LvL 5 (#8) Original Message Subject: [RCSE] Re: Rudder Stalls and turns.From: Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Mon, July 31, 2006 9:20 amTo: RCSE soaring@airage.comRudder stalls this is where I found the concept. In the building instructions of the photon II there is mention of having too much deflection, and having too much deflection may 'stall the rudder'.http://www.netmeister.net/%7Ejerry/bldgp2.htm Look in the cg section of the instructions.The consensus seems to be:1. No one has heard of a rudder stall2. A rudder turn requires some banking other wise you will just 'slide'3. Most people who use RES ships use the rudder on the right stick, not the left stick as I am doing at the present.Jay On 7/28/06, Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to figure out if my rudder turns are accurate. I think I am experienceing rudder stalls
[RCSE] Re: Rudder Stalls and turns.
Ok, I have received a few answers, I want to thank everyone for the answers... Amazing all this time and I have never understood how the rudder is supposed to work Thanks again...On 7/28/06, Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to figure out if my rudder turns are accurate. I think I am experienceing rudder stalls with my photon, from either too much deflection or from holding the deflection too long. In other word do I ever want the rudder to cause my plane to roll? Can someone explain to me what a rudderstall is and how to prevent it? Should all rudder turns remain flat? Also is a roll a rudder stall of sorts? Thanks, Jay
[RCSE] Balast Photon II
Has anyone figured a way to balast a photon II so that it can make it through 10-15mph winds? Thanks, Jay
[RCSE] Rudder Stalls and turns.
I am trying to figure out if my rudder turns are accurate. I think I am experienceing rudder stalls with my photon, from either too much deflection or from holding the deflection too long. In other word do I ever want the rudder to cause my plane to roll? Can someone explain to me what a rudderstall is and how to prevent it? Should all rudder turns remain flat? Also is a roll a rudder stall of sorts? Thanks, Jay
[RCSE] Photon II Glider
I am about to pick one of these up. I am teaching myself how to thermal and this seems to be the perfect dlg for that task. As a background I have had a Blaster, XP3 and a homemade DLG, with 4 control surfaces and it was focused on flying the plane vs looking for lift. I want to focus on looking for lift, I am expecting the Photon (polyhedral wing) will fly pretty much hands off and with only rudder and elevator inputs I can be sure that its external forces acting on the plane and not the control surfaces. So a couple of questions:1. I am getting the RE version not the REF version, will I miss the flap?2. How can I slow the plane down w/o flaps.3. Any tips on flying RE, in the past I have ALWAYS had ailerons. 4. How long should my first flights last.5. Any other photon II tips you can think...Jay
[RCSE] Where can I buy voltz servos in the us?
Gang, I am having a difficult time finding Voltz servos. Anyone have any thoughts on where I can purchase them? Thanks, Jay
[RCSE] Re: Where can I buy voltz servos in the us?
Lots of responses... Thanks gang, looks like its KennedyComposites SoaringUSA or HobbyClub I knew the servos were expensive but I wasn't ready for the sticker shock It will cost me at least $600 to out fit a full house sailplane.On 7/6/06, Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gang, I am having a difficult time finding Voltz servos. Anyone have any thoughts on where I can purchase them? Thanks, Jay
Re: [RCSE] Re: ADVICE NEEDED: Lightest electric 2m with landing control?
Just thought I would let everyone know, I called Denny and got a winddancer. I will be building that after the polecat aeroevent. In the mean while I have to DLG's that need to be built. JayOn 5/24/06, Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gang, I like a good debate as much as anyone, but am I missing something here? It seems to me the motor just allows you to get to altitude without a winch/histart hassle. I will admit I prefer motor off flying, but don't have the time to set up winches/histarts. To me once you are in the air withoug power you are soaring. If that's not the case or if electric sailplane discussions don't fit here then I will lurk until I am ready to soar. Having said that, I am going to focus on some DLG's. Hopefully intime for the Polecat aero. I see little difference between, DLG, electric or winch/towed/pulled/histart sailplanes. We are all trying to catch thermals. JayOn 5/24/06, Linda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan,Get used to it Ryan. Just fly your Toys and enjoy. If you don't have twoor three $2000 molded ARF you are not part of soaring. The AMA is finallyrecognizing the fact that electrics are coming on strong and that they may cut them selves off if they don't get on the bandwagon. It will take longerfor some.John-Original Message-From: notify@yahoogroups.com [mailto: notify@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfrdwoebkeSent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:06 AMTo: soaring@airage.comSubject: [RCSE] Re: ADVICE NEEDED: Lightest electric 2m with landing control?--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: \ On 5/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fact is this..no one on this list actually dabbles with electricgliders of any sort, the exception are the guys who have an F5J Sp400competition ship, the model alone without gear starts at $350, and they need a minimum 8 channel computer TX.Huh?I know a number of guys on this list (including myself) thatfly electric gliders.I'm not sure what was in your Korn Flakes thismorning, but that is not correct. If Jay wants to actually build from plans (as opposed to a kit, hefirst said build from plans) the Allegro Lite would be an option.Kits (he also mentions some kits), there are several out there thatwould work.Wind Dancer, Crysalis would be good, Ray's 2 meter Bird, etc.Ryan I guess I fly toy's according to Gordy WoebkenbergRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe andunsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note thatsubscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text formatRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: ADVICE NEEDED: Lightest electric 2m with landing control?
Gang, I like a good debate as much as anyone, but am I missing something here? It seems to me the motor just allows you to get to altitude without a winch/histart hassle. I will admit I prefer motor off flying, but don't have the time to set up winches/histarts. To me once you are in the air withoug power you are soaring. If that's not the case or if electric sailplane discussions don't fit here then I will lurk until I am ready to soar. Having said that, I am going to focus on some DLG's. Hopefully intime for the Polecat aero. I see little difference between, DLG, electric or winch/towed/pulled/histart sailplanes. We are all trying to catch thermals. JayOn 5/24/06, Linda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan,Get used to it Ryan. Just fly your Toys and enjoy. If you don't have twoor three $2000 molded ARF you are not part of soaring. The AMA is finallyrecognizing the fact that electrics are coming on strong and that they may cut them selves off if they don't get on the bandwagon. It will take longerfor some.John-Original Message-From: notify@yahoogroups.com [mailto: notify@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfrdwoebkeSent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:06 AMTo: soaring@airage.comSubject: [RCSE] Re: ADVICE NEEDED: Lightest electric 2m with landing control?--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:\ On 5/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fact is this..no one on this list actually dabbles with electricgliders of any sort, the exception are the guys who have an F5J Sp400competition ship, the model alone without gear starts at $350, and they need a minimum 8 channel computer TX.Huh?I know a number of guys on this list (including myself) thatfly electric gliders.I'm not sure what was in your Korn Flakes thismorning, but that is not correct. If Jay wants to actually build from plans (as opposed to a kit, hefirst said build from plans) the Allegro Lite would be an option.Kits (he also mentions some kits), there are several out there thatwould work.Wind Dancer, Crysalis would be good, Ray's 2 meter Bird, etc.Ryan I guess I fly toy's according to Gordy WoebkenbergRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe andunsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note thatsubscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format withMIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text formatRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] ADVICE NEEDED: Lightest electric 2m with landing control?
Ok, I am looking for the litest weight glider with landing control in the two meter class. I want to build it, from plans, I want it to be simple and quick. Power will be 3s1p 2100, at around 400 watts (probably a mega direct drive), I want vertical performance to 300 feet. The wing must be multiple pieces. I would like AUW to be 30oz or less, and should be able to penetrate wind. Any thoughts... Jay
Re: [RCSE] ADVICE NEEDED: Lightest electric 2m with landing control?
I was thinking the winddancer, but its a bit high for me... and its 3 meters... The reason I want it relatively small and light is because there is a field in my residential neighborhood that I could fly a floater in, but should something go awry I would want any crash damage to anyone else to be minimal.On 5/16/06, George Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polecat Aero's Wind Dancer. From: Jay Hunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:18 PM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] ADVICE NEEDED: Lightest electric 2m with landing control? Ok, I am looking for the litest weight glider with landing control in the two meter class. I want to build it, from plans, I want it to be simple and quick. Power will be 3s1p 2100, at around 400 watts (probably a mega direct drive), I want vertical performance to 300 feet. The wing must be multiple pieces. I would like AUW to be 30oz or less, and should be able to penetrate wind. Any thoughts... Jay
Re: [RCSE] ADVICE NEEDED: Lightest electric 2m with landing control?
Sorry, I stand corrected the Winddancer is the 2 meter version. Curious about how this would compare with a Chrysalis? JayOn 5/16/06, Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking the winddancer, but its a bit high for me... and its 3 meters... The reason I want it relatively small and light is because there is a field in my residential neighborhood that I could fly a floater in, but should something go awry I would want any crash damage to anyone else to be minimal.On 5/16/06, George Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polecat Aero's Wind Dancer. From: Jay Hunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:18 PM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] ADVICE NEEDED: Lightest electric 2m with landing control? Ok, I am looking for the litest weight glider with landing control in the two meter class. I want to build it, from plans, I want it to be simple and quick. Power will be 3s1p 2100, at around 400 watts (probably a mega direct drive), I want vertical performance to 300 feet. The wing must be multiple pieces. I would like AUW to be 30oz or less, and should be able to penetrate wind. Any thoughts... Jay
[RCSE] Re: ADVICE NEEDED: Lightest electric 2m with landing control?
Gordy, Thanks for the reply, I took your comments as you meant them. A bit of background on me: I mainly fly fast electric sailplane (warm and hotliners). The only competitions I have been in have been the F5B contests in VA and in Canada. I went to the Polecat DLG competition last year. I performed miserably but I enjoyed the contests. A friend of mine told me that if I wanted to compete I should turn to the thermal competitions. Hence my interest in a light cheap easy to build 2 meter. I definitely want to build my plane. Its one of those if I build it I know it better vibes. That said, I have the following planes: Stratos SLE Thermik XL 4 meter RW2 F5b FVK bandit Victor F5B Parkzone Typhoon (that will be sold as soon as I find someone to give me $99) Stack of SGII cores (cut by me on my feathercut), CF, Tailbooms, DLG pods, FG and lots of building materials (but I don't think I am ready to use this stuff). The problem with all of these planes is that I need a lot of room to fly them so that means a trip to the field. I want something simple and easy that I can fly hands off so I can take care of that 'itch' So maybe I will just go with the Winddancer as I am used to performance. Is there anything else that's comparable to the Winddancer that I can build in a kit? JayOn 5/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jay, Fact is this..no one on this list actually dabbles with electric gliders of any sort, the exception are the guys who have an F5J Sp400 competition ship, the model alone without gear starts at $350, and they need a minimum 8 channel computer TX. Planes like the Chryslis are considered toys for soaring. Don't get me wrong, the fly great and are great, but they don't fit into any real category of competition, so aren't often bought or built by the guys on the RCSE. The Wind Dancer is a serious sailplane and a serious competition electric. I own a Pulsar 2005, full house electric, maybe the top competition ship in the market today...and I have flown it twice in 2 yearsyawn :-) So if you notice that you aren't getting much response, its because we don't have anything to offer. The best plane to get is the one that gets you in the air fastest, as in flying. Weight has little to do with performance. Houses are heavy, have no servos, or flaps or airfoils but often fly for miles at a time...in Kansas. You see if you find lift with a sailplane, it will stay up. The key words are these YOU find lift. You won't learn to find lift with out flying. Chose a plane and fly it.. a lot. Good luck. Gordy I fly sailplanes more often, more places in the world,with more guys, than anyone else on Earth.
Re: [RCSE] GP Siren 3 piece wing
I am working on this now. I will fly it next week... I also put flaps into the wing. JayOn 3/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone flown the Great Planes siren and left the wings 3 pieces?Thejoiners are pretty poorly engineered as it is, just curious if I can get away with leaving them unglued.Kristopher--I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 1288 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
I was thinking the same thing Bert...On 1/2/06, Bert Magin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not picking on Maurice or (may the soaring gods forbid) Dr. Drela but couldsomeone explain to me the balancing method and tools used to place a CG to0.5mm accuracy?BertRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] And now a word about why to start your LSF journey..
Who is this diabolical group and how can they be stopped!!!On 9/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of you guys out there who have joined the RCSE supposedly are interested in building and flying RC sailplanes (can't always tell from the content of your posts :-). The point of the LSF Achievement Task program is to trick us! It is a conspiracy that I have decided to expose to all of the RCSE and the RC soaring world! You all thought it had to do with guys bragging about filling in the form, but during my travels I uncovered the truth about the whole thingand its not pretty. The League is a bunch of elitist who have nothing but their own interests at heart! These guys rigged this whole step by step program in order to create more competent pilots to fly with...that sure sounds innocent, but DONT be fooled Sounds like they really want us all to progress, but in fact they want to cheat us from all the fun stuff of soaring! For instance LSF1 It ain't about soaring, its about landing Yep, right off the bat they try to cheat us out of climbing trees, or throwing weighted lines to retrieve our sailplanes. Who says we didn't WANT to smash our sailplanes into our knees or take those healthy long walks to retrieve our sailplanes...no the League wants us to do it all their waylanding near our feet, or right on a spot, I say that its boring! There isn't anything as gracefull as a sailplane cartwheeling along the ground! Want proof of their plan? LSF2 tricks us into putting our sailplanes nose even closer to spots, but this level is where it gets diabolicalyou see the League guys hate flying with lousy pilots, guys who fly right through lift and can't seem to get 5 minute flights in 30min air...LSF2 makes you stay up for time! Each level tricks that guy who was happy as a turd floating around the sky all day, then whacking his sailplane at the end, providing him with hours of enjoyable and relaxing rebuild timetricks him into recognizing air, making use of it and teaching him how to thread his sailplane safely thru the trees right to his feet. I say it is the LSF that has caused us all to gain weight! All that landing righ next to our selves, no climbing trees, no digging noses out of the ground So there LSF, you tried for years to trick me into learning to control model sailplanes with precision and to read air, but I resistedbut be warned soaring public...in the end they got me...apparently resistance is futile... cuz now that I've started the whole task achievement thing, how do you stop? Did you do an LSF task today? Gordy
Re: [RCSE] Fw: Hits on the Genie web pages
Harley, I like the looks of the plane and the solidness of the construction but it is an intimidating build. Especially the wings and RDS. (can you get 90 degree flaps with RDS?) Anyway, I like the idea of NOT buying european moldies and keeping the money here... And the knowledge... Thanks for the pages, and one of these days I hope to build one of these babies... JayOn 9/1/05, Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please excuse if a duplicate. I'm impressed that the # of hits on the Genie web pages is over 13,000 considering that mention of their existance has been made only over the RCSE with its 850 subscribers. Gads, that's an average of over 15 hits per subscriber. Further, considering the extremely low # of guys who have built one of the Genie line of birds or are threatening to do so, my effort to put the text and pics together for free public consumption, hardly seems worth the trouble. Well. . .one great thing though! I sure have a dandy set of instuctions when I build one! #28 Genie, and the slickest of them all, is well underway. I'm doing this one for another person, but must do one like it for myself next.Man, I'm learning new things on this one. But there is nothing new about that. It happens on every one built. They just get better and better. Sorry. . .I'm not regularly having the web pages updated with new discoveries. Jay Decker has lots to do with having taken on a column in the RCSD but the CD sent with my plans and hardware packages will always have the latest stuff. See http://genie.rchomepage.com/ and get into the What's Available file. That's current. Lots of new discoveries have been made on the RDS, wing bagging and working with the composite fuses, now on the CD. Time to quit procrastinating, wasting money on imports and, by not developing and using building skills, or doing any research or original thinking, having nothing to pass on as a contribution to this game. Pity.RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Why are so many guys unsubscribing?
FWIW I have a gmail account and I sort everything and have put into an RCSE folder. I then go back and browse it at my leisure. Not to mention I can do searchs for emails (such as sale, harley, gordy, help, etc..). Otherwise there is NO way I could keep up with all of this, and with 2 gigs of space, I have no problems archiving ALL of the emails that come in... JayOn 7/27/05, Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys,I am sure glad I am not the only one that has been feeling this way recentlyabout the list.Two things I look for most on this list, is cool how toposts (Harley you are famous for these), and believe it or not, I really like all the for sale posts.The thing is though, if it is soaring relatedit is supposed to be welcome on the lists.I sure have really enjoyed allthe posts recently from those who have taken time to keep us all updated on how the Nats are going.See Ya,Pat McCleaveWichita, KS- Original Message -From: Jack Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.comSent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:53 PMSubject: RE: [RCSE] Why are so many guys unsubscribing? Very well said, Harley.I could not agree more. I too, have thought of unsubscribing lately for the exact same reason. I read the list to learn useful stuff, and all the banter is a waste of time for me too. Jack [Original Message] From: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Date: 7/27/05 6:14:13 PM Subject: [RCSE] Why are so many guys unsubscribing? I wonder if those who have been unsubscribing have lost interest by the lack of useful content of late. At times, lately, I've also thought of unsubscribing. I think what I appreciate least is banter between friends who for some reason, must think the rest of us are interested in what they are saying. So much of what has come in lately has been that sort of thing. To me, and perhaps to others, it's just a waste of time to see that mail has come in, wait for messages to display and then see it's a bunch of stuff that should have been kept personal between the correspondents. Innovative ideas, techniques, discoveries, etc. are great to learn about and most welcome. Give us more of that to again make the exchange more worthwhile. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5 /58 - Release Date: 7/25/05 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format-- Jay Hunter
[RCSE] Hitec Spectra Module and 12 negative shift crystals $70/shipped
Hitec Spectra Module in very good condition (used in my futaba 8uaps) and 12 Negative shift Crystals for futaba and hitec RX. It's like buying 12 crystals at $6/piece and getting a free Spectra module. $70 shipped CONUSA I can send pictures-- Jay Hunter
[RCSE] Futaba 8aups package $140/shipped
I have for sale an EXCELLENT condition Futaba 8uaps TX. It comes with the following: 8uaps TX PPM and PCM capable, campac stores 16 models original 500 mah battery pack custom built 2100 mah battery pack AC Charge cable Original manual Futaba programming manual Channel 60 frequency module and Foam lined hard shelled carrying case. Radio is in very good to excellent condition, all switches and buttons are crisp and strong. Great first computer radio for someone. The price for all of this is $140 shipped in the CONUSA (outside the us pm me for shipping price). Pics available. Thanks, Jay Hunter
[RCSE] WTB: Seeker II 6 or 8 channel RX...
Looking to pickup either or both the Polk Hobbies Seeker II receivers. Please respond and let me know if you have any available.-- Jay Hunter
Re: [RCSE] Ultimate airplane/sailplane vehicle?
Seems to me that this is the reason to stick with winches and electrics... On 5/2/05, James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, I have an old '92 Ford Explorer 4x4 with 169k miles on it for sailplane, gear, dog and personnel hauling. The vette is just for hauling azz. 8-) At 08:00 PM 5/2/2005, George Voss wrote: I'm sure all of you that own sports cars like the Vette, or a Porsche, Miata etc. or the like will tell us all of the equipment you can carry in your vehicle, but sometimes you want or need to carry passengers too. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jay Hunter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Benefit of reduced planform tips?
What is the benefit of reduced planform tips. For instance with the SuperGee you have to make 4 panels for a complete set of wings in order to get the sloped wing tips. (Just ignore the different airfoils at the tip for now). Why do we need the sharper profile at the tip? Thanks -- Jay Hunter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] BEC ESC?
Mike hit the nail on the head, BEC Esc's can only handle 3-4 servos... you will need an external BEC if you want to fly with 6 servos. I use the SBEC... On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:59:25 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard Mark (Mark Howard?) wrote: Anybody make a BEC ESC suitable for an unlimited size sailplane (speed 600) - 50 amps or so? Needs to run 6 servos. Most ESC's recommend only 2 or 3 sevos. If you don't want to use a separate receiver battery pack then you need either a UBEC: http://www.hobby-lobby.com/ubec.htm or an S-BEC: http://www.firmtronics.com/htm_pages/switch_mode_becs.htm#1 Mike -- Winch Solenoid Safety Buzzer - http://www.vvsss.com/buzzer/ _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jay Hunter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] If we could just get our gliders to do this...
how is he able to dive forward and not go into the floor? On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:11:38 -0800, John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://modellvideos.de/videos/KnuffelVerstellprop-die-zwote.wmv JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jay Hunter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Who is the scoundrel. . . .?
It was not me... On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:55:27 -0800, Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that asked me to send him material for surgical rubber hinging, but neglected to pay me? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jay Hunter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Inexpensive Hotliner?
I have built and flown a LOT of inexpensive hotliners. Great Planes has one out called the siren. Not what I am used to but it seems to be a workable model. Follow my wacky antics and the siren build in this thread on the ezone. The build starts around post #228. Prior to that a lot of doubt as to wether this plane will really fly/be a hotliner... http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=281738page=5pp=50 Initial thoughts on the siren? Its a LOT better than I expected at this price. -- Jay Hunter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Inexpensive Hotliner?
I know I wouild like to see more traffic for hotliners in this list. There are a lot of good options. But here are some questions... 1. What's your budget? 2. What type of flying are you going to do, all aerobatics, all thermalling or a mixture? 3. What type of batteries are you going to be using? 4. What type of area will you be flying in? answer these questions and I can give you a more specific answer... On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:04:33 -0500, Jim Prouty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, My apologies in advance if I'm posting this to the wrong list. Does anyone have any suggestions for a low-to-mid priced hotliner? I'm looking for something that's easy to transport so I can take a plane with me when I go on the road testing UAVs and there's no slope or thermal fields nearby. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Happy flying, Jim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. -- Jay Hunter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Inexpensive Hotliner?
The jury is still out as to whetere this is a hotliner or a sailplane that looks like a hotliner... I know the carbon is in the wrong place on the fuse On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:08:52 -0800 (PST), AJ Bhatta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a look at the Siren from Great Planes. $149.00 at Tower. AJ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. -- Jay Hunter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] First Sailplane
As if by some cruel and dirty trick, my first sailplane was the FVK bandit. In incredibly difficult plane for a first timer. NASTY tipstalls especially with 8 sub c cells. The good thing? Is learned how to FLY sailplanes/hotliners much faster than I would have with out this horrible flying thing of a majig RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] What is the current highest capacity for AA size batteries on
I have seen 2100 AA batteries... On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:39:26 -0800 (PST), Rick Walba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard that the NiMh AA cells of over 2amps have a high self-discharge rate. Perhaps not a problem for you, but something that definitely has to be taken into account in terms of maintaining peak charge. Rick Hello Everyone, I'm looking to upgrade my Tx battery pack and wanted to know what it he highest capacity AA size batteries on the Market today and what is a good source for them?? Thanks in advance, Edgar The Soaring Junkie RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. -- Jay Hunter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Higest capacity DLG batteries (AAA size?)
1 would like 1000mah batteries for my dlg. AAA size would be the best. I am open to all suggestions... Thanks -- Jay Hunter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Layup Tool
I just threw a set of this away!!! I could have held on to a few of them... I may go dumptser diving... On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:29:09 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave- I found that a blade from a vertical blind works well too. Its wider, giving more to grab onto. Kristopher - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: [RCSE] Layup Tool Maybe this is already well known but ... If you hang vinyl min-blinds (1 or larger), save the extra vinyl slats. Or go buy the cheapest set you can find at Wal-Mart. Or just sneak a test strip out of that set in the family room. Cut the slats into about 6 inch sections and you've got a really great spreader for resin fo bagging wings. Round the cut edges with fine sandpaper a bit so they won't grab the cloth. The normal curvature of the vinyl slat is great for spreading-smoothing the resin and cloth. Wipe it off with a tissue and pull out as much resin as you want. Toss 'em away with the cup, scrap cloth, etc. My old spreader broke while starting a job last week and this solution works better expected. Beats an old credit card by a long shot. - Dave R -- Jay Hunter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
