Re: [PSES] I would like to hear your thoughts please

2024-04-06 Thread Gert Gremmen F4LDP
idn't we all learned the exponential graph of EMC costs versus development time ? If you need proof (for authorities, or for yourself), nothing can replace the actual test. Gert Gremmen On 6-4-2024 0:47, Lfresearch wrote: Hi folks, I would like to advise a client at where to draw the line on what nee

Re: [PSES] PSU cert issue

2024-03-22 Thread Gert Gremmen F4LDP
they are fit for an EU membership (even if local politics dare/won't not say the "join" word yet) Gert Gremmen On 22-3-2024 7:53, Kurt Beneder wrote: Dear Gilbert, One Soulution could be: You have to include the whole list of all separate orderable spare part modules to your CE D

Re: [PSES] List of Common Misuses

2022-10-05 Thread Gert Gremmen
n (button changed color), or even batch or serial numbering.  No risk shall be considered to be too small not to be included in the analysis. The difference is in how the risks are addressed. This will avoid having a too extensive safety warning section, and at the same time the requirements of any a

Re: [PSES] EN 62368-1 Ed 3 2020 + A11 : 2020 for GPSD

2022-08-30 Thread Gert Gremmen
Hi Scott The OJ itself lists the required dates in he table of publication. Gert Gremmen On 30-8-2022 15:41, Scott Xe wrote: On 16 Aug, the captioned HS was listed in OJ.  Does it replace the previous version immediately or is there a transitional period? Thanks and regards, Scott

Re: [PSES] Harmonised standards

2022-08-25 Thread Gert Gremmen
Hi Brain Method #1 and #2 are equivalent (if the were the same standard): #2 list 3 documents that -once merged- form one harmonised standard #1 list the original standard plus  the applicable harmonised amendment Method 3 is not recommended IMHO. Gert gremmen On 24-8-2022 21:48, Brian

Re: [PSES] Harmonised standards

2022-08-24 Thread Gert Gremmen
for Corrigendum, most used for plain error, typos ,wrong references etc. There is lots of info on the site of CENELEC on these subjects. Worth so spent an afternoon. Gert Gremmen On 24-8-2022 15:06, Scott Xe wrote: EN 55032 : 2017/A11 : 2020 -- Independent Expert on CE marking EMC Consultant

Re: [PSES] CE marking of a high voltage output supply for laboratory / industrial environmental use

2022-08-18 Thread Gert Gremmen
e are more requirements than just clearance and creepage. Good luck in making your equipment safe. Gert Gremmen On 18-8-2022 21:43, bart.de.gee...@telenet.be wrote: Dear experts, A client is looking for regulatory guidance to CE certify a high voltage output supply  (with regular AC mains 230V/

Re: [PSES] RED DoC and ETSI EN 301 489-1

2022-03-28 Thread Gert Gremmen
s laid out in Article 17. Best regards Charlie** ** *Charlie Blackham* *Sulis Consultants Ltd* *Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317* *Web: **https://sulisconsultants.com/* <https://sulisconsultants.com/>** Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 *From:*Gert Gremmen *Sent:* 26 March 2022 10:0

Re: [PSES] RED DoC and ETSI EN 301 489-1

2022-03-26 Thread Gert Gremmen
to support 2 tests can be quite challenging, if this needs to be precise and exhaustive. Gert Gremmen On 26-3-2022 11:50, John Woodgate wrote: The 'state of the art' is quite likely to have moved on in less than 3 years. It's also possible that EU legislation has changed during that time. -

Re: [PSES] RED DoC and ETSI EN 301 489-1

2022-03-26 Thread Gert Gremmen
re exhaustive and precise, contain no duplicates to EU legislation, and are to the state of the art. In some cases a normatively referenced standard can block harmonisation if the referenced standard has severe deficiencies.) Gert Gremmen On 26-3-2022 9:21, T.Sato wrote: Although non-harmoni

Re: [PSES] Stripline - discontinuity in adjacent ground planes

2020-03-18 Thread Gert Gremmen
saves money. The situation changes in 6 or 8 layer PCBS. There you will couple to the closest groundplane using buried vias only. The generic answer is : control your return current, and avoid ambiguities. Gert Gremmen On 18-3-2020 9:38, Amund Westin wrote: Let’s say, part of a pcb stack

Re: [PSES] Keeping cellphone noise out of audio op-amps

2020-02-19 Thread Gert Gremmen
). By placing impedance in series with each input/output/supply the effects will already greatly be reduced. Do not rely on feedback mechanism for this so the 47 pF will do a great job until the max freq of the opamp is exceeded. Gert Gremmen On 19-2-2020 13:11, John Woodgate wrote: I see two

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] PCB layout technique - multilayer

2020-02-10 Thread Gert Gremmen
for signal routing, as a Sbott3? Mvh Amund *Fra:*Gert Gremmen *Sendt:* 10. februar 2020 09:57 *Til:* Amund Westin ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Emne:* Re: [PSES] PCB layout technique - multilayer Just 2 hints of thousands: If you implement 2 ground planes make sure the ground references on top

Re: [PSES] PCB layout technique - multilayer

2020-02-10 Thread Gert Gremmen
on board edges If you implement SMPS locally give it a local top layer ground area to connect the principal switch elements together. Connect by a dice pattern 5 via to main GND Good luck. Gert Gremmen On 10-2-2020 8:27, Amund Westin wrote: contact to the nearest ground layer, I’m looking

Re: [PSES] CE marking quality manufacturing requirements

2020-01-15 Thread Gert Gremmen
These are phrases with a high degree of conformal viability, but most companies using this Route A  (SME's) do not have the slightest idea how to start "a quality system that entails" In practice this can be done by : * Have the product be approved according to one or more harmonised

Re: [PSES] Intentional radiator Class A or Class B

2019-09-19 Thread Gert Gremmen
ge history in Annex D in any of the 3 versions above. Gert Gremmen On 17-9-2019 15:11, micha...@acbcert.com wrote: Hi Charlie, The last presentation from ETSI that I recall on the topic, stated that we should be looking at EN 301 489-1 V2.x.x and newer.   We should not be considering the old EN

Re: [PSES] Intentional radiator Class A or Class B

2019-09-17 Thread Gert Gremmen
Hi Charlie That version of the standard 301-489-1 V2.2.1 has not yet been approved, yet published, so be careful For now keep relying on V1.9.2 , that does not mention your text on industrial environment, and that has not yet been cited under the RED either. Gert Gremmen On 17-9-2019

Re: [PSES] Intentional radiator Class A or Class B

2019-09-17 Thread Gert Gremmen
Body otherwise. Gert Gremmen On 17-9-2019 8:48, John Woodgate wrote: Not exactly. The question was strictly about 'Class', which of course can mean different things in different standards, but my answer is, I think, correct for Europe. Intentional radiation is excluded from the CISPR standards

Re: [PSES] Relaxation of test requirements

2019-08-24 Thread Gert Gremmen
know? Regards Charlie *Charlie Blackham* *Sulis Consultants Ltd* *Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317* *Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ * Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 *From:*Gert Gremmen *Sent:* 24 August 2019 13:27 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Relaxation

Re: [PSES] Relaxation of test requirements

2019-08-24 Thread Gert Gremmen
settled to grow into myths. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2019-08-24 12:32, Gert Gremmen wrote: John Nice to agree then. :-) The new assessment system has needed fine tuning during quite a period, and some

Re: [PSES] Relaxation of test requirements

2019-08-24 Thread Gert Gremmen
been ruled that 'manufacturer' cannot be mentioned at all. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2019-08-24 11:51, Gert Gremmen wrote: These very high standards (as you call it) are just part of the requirements as given in ER3, f

Re: [PSES] Relaxation of test requirements

2019-08-24 Thread Gert Gremmen
that is not a realistic minimum requirement as the equipment was for outdoor use, so it was suggested to add a minimum range more representative to EU climates. John, thanks for your opinion anyway (but feel free to continue the discussions) Gert Gremmen On 24-8-2019 10:53, John Woodgate

[PSES] Relaxation of test requirements

2019-08-24 Thread Gert Gremmen
standards, in the light of creating HS with legal effects. Gert Gremmen -- Independent Expert on CE marking Harmonised Standards (HAS-) Consultant @ European Commission for RED and EMC EMC Consultant Electrical Safety

Re: [PSES] Oxford comma

2019-08-24 Thread Gert Gremmen
Thank you Rich, Congrats with your IEEE medal, i am sure you merited it ! Thanks for the comma document. Gert Gremmen On 23-8-2019 20:34, Richard Nute wrote: The case of the missing Oxford comma. https://annhandley.com/oxford-comma/ The comma wasn’t missing; it was deliberately omitted

Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question

2019-08-23 Thread Gert Gremmen
O-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2019-08-23 12:25, Gert Gremmen wrote: Hi John, Great many thank's ;<) I will study them and use them for the benefit of standardization. You must be aware of Internal Regulations 3 (CENELEC) that included s

Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question

2019-08-23 Thread Gert Gremmen
nt on this subject many years ago, although it was not widely circulated. I have attached it. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2019-08-23 09:16, Gert Gremmen wrote: Hi John (et al), I noticed with quite interest your

Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question

2019-08-23 Thread Gert Gremmen
with some explanation, if not evident. I will create a list and re-publish for the use of all. Thanks Gert Gremmen On 23-8-2019 9:40, John Woodgate wrote: Two points: *  EN standards are not 'European Norms', which were/are a very old set of standards to do with the Coal and Steel

Re: [PSES] Conducted emissions AMN/AAN layout

2019-08-10 Thread Gert Gremmen
into a better test set-up than CISPR32 (former 22), look into the CISPR 16 series,especially the chapters om measurement volumes. Gert Gremmen On 9-8-2019 21:17, Andrew Perry wrote: My friends, I am preparing to drill new threaded holes in our chamber floor, where we will perform our

Re: [PSES] Ground on ship

2019-07-08 Thread Gert Gremmen
remain safe. It makes no sense seeking for our globes soil potential (ground) inside a metallic volume. Gert Gremmen On 8-7-2019 20:19, 06cee064502d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org wrote: Hello group, Is there a real ground in a ship?  i.e if a Class I product is used on the board of a

Re: [PSES] Guidelines v Standards v Codes

2019-06-27 Thread Gert Gremmen
ean and have legal value,  standards do not. A subtle variation of standards are /EU exclusive/, and they are *cited harmonized standards*. Cited from citation in the Official Journal L(egal) of the EU, Harmonized as being valid within all member states of the EU. Cited HS have legal effect in th

Re: [PSES] Tilt test

2019-06-12 Thread Gert Gremmen
. If your product needs to be used for the EU-market in the years to come, make sure you comply with all alternates. Gert Gremmen On 12-6-2019 6:55, frankt_cpmt wrote: Thank you for sharing your experience Ted. Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8, an AT 5G Evolution capable smartphone

Re: [PSES] GB or GC?....that is the question....

2019-05-17 Thread Gert Gremmen
burn away at 25 A and not at 100 uA. It's your risk analysis, due diligence, and type of equipment that decides for the applied current. Gert Gremmen and so the quality is ensured by those. On 17-5-2019 21:08, Regan Arndt wrote: Hello members, I tried to search my EMC-PSTC archives

Re: [PSES] Product Declaration of Conformity with external PSU...

2019-04-10 Thread Gert Gremmen
surely the LVD doesn't apply? It does, of course, apply to the power supply that is supplied with it. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2019-04-10 17:51, Gert Gremmen / Ce-test wrote: It depends.. If the power

Re: [PSES] Tamper-proof Hardware

2019-04-09 Thread Gert Gremmen
that, that is why there should not be any requirements. Gert Gremmen On 9-4-2019 11:36, John Woodgate wrote: We are not so far apart. You say that the text should not have appeared in a numbered clause that might be assumed to be normative. I say that it would be better not to have a numbered clause

Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards ->Official EU law

2019-03-08 Thread Gert Gremmen
t/european-standards/harmonised-standards/accessibility-websites-and-mobile-applications_en And a press release: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-6491_en.htm Gert Gremmen On 29-1-2019 19:36, Rudd, Adam wrote: Thank you, Do you have a specific L###? That an update was publi

Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers.

2019-01-16 Thread Gert Gremmen
May i suggest: XXX   BC (British Compliance) , where XXX is the NoBo number An example would be 250 BC.  (confusion with Before Christ is really unintended) As a marking to replace the CE marking is suggest: Afbeeldingsresultaat voor bowler hat clip art The moustache is optional. Gert

[PSES] Harmonised Standards ->Official EU law

2019-01-16 Thread Gert Gremmen
Note that publication/citation of harmonised standards in Europe from now on (12/2018) will take place in the L section of the OJ, effectively allowing them the status of EU -law. A first standard on Accessibility of (governmental) Websites has already been published. Gert Gremmen

Re: [PSES] EN 55032 - and other EN standards

2018-11-27 Thread Gert Gremmen
be problematic for other non-EU regions who look for compliance to standards on the OJ, and do not understand the subtlety that in the EU that is not mandatory. Michael. *From:*Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] *Sent:* 27 November 2018 09:28 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re

Re: [PSES] EN 55032

2018-11-27 Thread Gert Gremmen
or about 6 months. Gert Gremmen -- Independent Expert on CE marking Harmonised Standards (HAS-) Consultant @ European Commission for RED and EMC EMC Consultant Electrical Safety Consultant On 27-11-2018 9:43, McBurney, Ian wrote: Hello David. I would be interested in getting more information

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] EN60950-1 not listed anymore as LVD harmonized standard

2018-09-08 Thread Gert Gremmen
This is clearly marked in column (5) of the list of harmonised standards "Date of cessation of presumption of conformity of superseded standard" even if it is not listed in Column (2) With the remark that EN 60950-1:2006 should not be applied for new presumptions of conformit

Re: [PSES] FW: Industrial Printer

2018-05-26 Thread Gert Gremmen; ce-test
and EN 55024 is ITE, The scope of EN55032/EN55035 will be *multimedia equipment* and is larger than ITE. Gert Gremmen HAS Consultant RED and EMC at European Commission. On 26-5-2018 10:47, John Woodgate wrote: EN 55024 has only a very limited future life. I would not recommend applying

Re: [PSES] FW: Industrial Printer

2018-05-26 Thread Gert Gremmen; ce-test
a higher of field problems. Gert Gremmen HAS Consultant RED and EMC at European Commission. On 24-5-2018 7:01, itl-emc user group wrote: An industrial printer has been tested to EN 55011: 2009 + A1: 2010 and EN 61000-6-2: 2005 + AC: 2006 (latest EMCD OJ). Another industrial printer has

Re: [PSES] Radio modem - RED?

2018-05-09 Thread Gert Gremmen / Ce-test
are your possibilities. And yes, it applies for RED, as a component in a radio (system). Gert Gremmen Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone > Op 27 apr. 2018 om 13:59 heeft Charlie Blackham > <char...@sulisconsultants.com> het volgende geschreven: > > Amund > > Can you provide some

Re: [PSES] EN 55032 Testing on Wired Network Port

2018-04-24 Thread Gert Gremmen; ce-test
(by the absence of other cars for example, or by night). Nevertheless, any speeding limit is enforced even if not troublesome. But at the end, it is the manufacturer who decides if creating emissions over the limit is acceptable or not. But do not complain if you get caught. Gert Gremmen

Re: [PSES] Medical device risk assessment - faulty chargers

2018-04-17 Thread Gert Gremmen; ce-test
was not the way to go. Gert Gremmen On 17-4-2018 1:22, Richard Nute wrote: … how do you test *objectively* the adequacy of a symbol like the ! in a triangle… The ! is not a safeguard.  Ultimately, the safeguard is some prescribed behavior on the part of a person.  The manufacturer

Re: [PSES] Medical device risk assessment - faulty chargers

2018-04-16 Thread Gert Gremmen; ce-test
equipment or leakage/touch  currents. Gert Gremmen On 14-4-2018 0:59, Leo Eisner wrote: Nick, This is an in process interpretation that is being currently developed by IEC TC62 SC 62A WG14 and was supposed to be discussed today in our London meeting but the submitter of the request for inte

Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-04 Thread Gert Gremmen; ce-test
that no standards for electrical safety have been published yet does NOT help in good understanding the directives wording, of course. Gert Gremmen On 4-4-2018 17:44, John Woodgate wrote: Yes, well, it's typical obscurantist wording. The LVD DOES apply, but without its low-voltage limit

Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID

2018-04-04 Thread Gert Gremmen; ce-test
As LVD (2014/35) is not applicable for Radio devices and so RFID, this standard is set up to be harmonized under the RED. Be it as an Electrical Safety Standard under the RED. Look at the provided link. Gert Gremmen On 4-4-2018 15:37, John Woodgate wrote: SECOND RESPONSE I should have

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread Gert Gremmen; ce-test
into view during the required risk analysis as called out in the new LVD. For Europe only, of course. The difference between functional and safety related EMC is an evolving discussion, lately triggered by accidents with hybrid and autonomous driving cars. Gert Gremmen On 20-3-2018 10:27

Re: [PSES] Field probe calibration

2018-03-04 Thread Gert Gremmen; ce-test
ual in automotive test set ups, indeed says not much about the test level of the EUT. Repeating this test under far field conditions, preferable on an antenna calibration facility, might give you much better results. (not that you are allowed to generate this much of power on air ;<) Gert G

Re: [PSES] Insulation resistance test

2018-02-19 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv, Gert Gremmen
. Gert Gremmen ce-test qualified testing ((partially) retired in France) From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] Sent: Monday 19 February 2018 10:46 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Insulation resistance test The flash test is necessary because there are high-voltage

Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD

2017-08-07 Thread Gert Gremmen
” , might also give some doubt to as what directive actually is referred to: the LVD or the RED. These directive are –as stipulated before in this thread- clearly not written by a legal person… Gert Gremmen Van: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Verzonden

Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD

2017-08-07 Thread Gert Gremmen
of it, including clause 7. . Gert Gremmen Van: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Verzonden: vrijdag 4 augustus 2017 13:00 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD You have my sympathy regarding the problems with language, worth 0.001 Euro

Re: [PSES] Chamber grounding [General Use]

2017-07-19 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv, Gert Gremmen
>Yes, the building ground is likely to be noisy, unless you actually connect directly >back to its earth spike No signal, ground or supply is noisy. It is the designer that defines a certain conductor to be clean, and references all other voltages (probably to be filtered) to that potential.

Re: [PSES] Chamber grounding [General Use]

2017-07-19 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv, Gert Gremmen
>I am quite sure that BS 7671 and other Code standards do not recognize that a >screened room is outside their scopes Of course they won't. But it is, technically. Gert -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday 19 July 2017 09:31 To:

Re: [PSES] Chamber grounding [General Use]

2017-07-18 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv, Gert Gremmen
I agree that (national) legislation should play a role here, but EMC chambers are NOT ordinary equipments, nor part of a standard electrical installation. I would not rely on electrical codes to create a safe work environment, and have my personal opinions prevail. We operate in a gray area,

Re: [PSES] Chamber grounding [General Use]

2017-07-18 Thread Gert Gremmen
As for the purpose of operation, EMC chambers need no grounding. The shielding property happens by conduction of the shield material the chamber is made from. But as soon as mains filters are mounted on the wall, one has to cope with leakage currents (blind current) as large as 6 amp or more.

Re: [PSES] USB dongle connector shield filtered grounding

2017-06-28 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv, Gert Gremmen
). Gert Gremmen From: Ken Wyatt [mailto:k...@emc-seminars.com] Sent: Wednesday 28 June 2017 22:03 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] USB dongle connector shield filtered grounding Bill, thanks for the complement. One of my mentors, Dr. Tom Van Doren, of the University

Re: [PSES] RED Harmonised Standards

2017-06-28 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv, Gert Gremmen
roublesome for IT devices, as Class A of EN 55022 is still very popular . As soon as a wireless BT WiFi device is added, EN 301 489-1 comes into view. And since everything goes wireless... Gert Gremmen From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com] Sent: Wednesday 28 June

Re: [PSES] RED Harmonised Standards

2017-06-28 Thread Gert Gremmen
sed to use 3 directives for Radio products There are still missing red standards, notably those for (GPS) Receivers, here a NB is needed, but as there is no standard available, what will the NB have to impose ? Gert Gremmen Van: Michael Derby [mailto:micha...@acbcert.com] Verzon

Re: [PSES] Questions on IEC Standards Adaption

2017-06-24 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv, Gert Gremmen
plain PDF version. Single user versions are a PITA for licensing rules and protection software. Gert Gremmen From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday 24 June 2017 16:12 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Questions on IEC Standards Adaption In g

Re: [PSES] EN55032 host equipment...

2017-05-09 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
with the spectrum ? Gert Gremmen -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: T.Sato [mailto:vef00...@nifty.com] Verzonden: dinsdag 9 mei 2017 12:23 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] EN55032 host equipment... On Mon, 8 May 2017 22:32:38 +, Matthew Wilson <matthew.wil...@gbelectronics.

Re: [PSES] EN55032 host equipment...

2017-05-09 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
ls due to some Class A harmonics of the laptops local bus that were not there before..... Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager + ce marking of electrical/electronic equipment + Independent Consultancy Services

Re: [PSES] Radiated RF electromagnetic fields immunity test on ambulatory electrocardiographic system

2017-03-28 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
. That said and concluded: I am not fully sure what your device is up to... Gert Gremmen Van: Silvia Diaz Monnier [mailto:silvi...@inti.gob.ar] Verzonden: dinsdag 28 maart 2017 20:12 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: [PSES] Radiated RF electromagnetic fields immunity test

[PSES] RED Harmonised Standards

2017-03-26 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
I did not read it on this list yet (unless a post missed by box again), but last week a new version of the list of Harmonised standards has been published (C76 10-3-2017) for the RED (2014/53/EC) 15 pages now of our beloved literature Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager

Re: [PSES] RE_D question Marine Product

2017-03-24 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
EMC, it includes many other aspects such as heat, salt, vibration tests. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager + ce marking of electrical/electronic equipment + Independent Consultancy Services

Re: [PSES] SD Card ESD Testing

2017-03-22 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
of charge inside the card (where the user is charged during card insertion) is enough to create substantial impulses in the readers electronics.. For SD -cards (and other cards) similar effects can be expected. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approva

Re: [PSES] CORRECTION (wrong page) Passive Loop Emissions [General Use]

2017-02-28 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Many standards express the limits for magnetic field measurements in dBuV/m, so in E-field. Most also indicate the relation of 51.5 dB to be added to convert H-field into E-field , ignoring close field effects. The 60 cm loop is an old beast, and so are test conventions. Regards, Ing. Gert

Re: [PSES] crimp hardware for multiple conductors?

2017-02-21 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
://img.conrad.de/medias/global/ce/3000_3999/3900/3930/3934/393416_BB_00_FB.EPS.jpg Gert gremmen Van: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Verzonden: dinsdag 21 februari 2017 16:45 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] crimp hardware for multiple conductors? I've had

Re: [PSES] Carbon Monoxide - Death Value

2017-02-16 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
eed replacement every 7 years, so the risk that a detector does not detect what it is intended for is not imaginary. Maybe you US citizen can get Trump to write a presidential Order to stop CO ? And the Europeans might create a CO-directive ? Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals mana

Re: [PSES] DoC when exempted from RED 2014/53/EU

2017-02-03 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
It depends. If it costs money probably they will refrain or at least be reluctant and prefer a warning in chinglish on page 97 note 21. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager + ce marking of electrical

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
re... Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager + ce marking of electrical/electronic equipment + Independent Consultancy Services + Compliance Testing and Design for CE marking according to EC-directive

Re: [PSES] Double Pole Mains Switches, Cord Connected Products

2017-01-28 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
in the mandatory risk analysis within the low voltage directive, in addition to blindly applying the standards clauses. Gert Gremmen Regards, Ing.  Gert Gremmen, BSc     g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953    Before printing

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-17 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
. Make sure the ferrite comes with the right frequencies pre-polarized. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager + ce marking of electrical/electronic equipment + Independent Consultancy Services

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-14 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
--- From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:05 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? That is certainly right. But there is another aspect that might play a role here. Many fast dig

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-14 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
, there is almost no margin to comply, and any EUT design flaw problem will show as non-compliance. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager + ce marking of electrical/electronic equipment + Independent Consultancy

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-14 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Exactly : Once the signal is unbalanced (whatever the reason) only shielding can attenuate the emissions. But any unbalance is caused by the EUT at the sending or at the receiving end, not by the cable. Gert Gremmen -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Brent DeWitt [mailto:bdew

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
, that cannot be cured with a better cable; but needs a better equipment CM design. (Or a bunch of heavy ferrites). Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager + ce marking of electrical/electronic equipment

Re: [PSES] Thermal equilibrium - 10% rule

2017-01-09 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager + ce marking of electrical/electronic equipment + Independent Consultancy Services + Compliance Testing and Design for CE marking according to EC-directives

Re: [PSES] Thermal equilibrium - 10% rule

2017-01-08 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Regards, Ing.  Gert Gremmen, BSc     g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953    Before printing, think about the environment. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Verzonden: zaterdag 7 januari

Re: [PSES] Thermal equilibrium - 10% rule

2017-01-07 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
to wait infinitely. Unfortunately, any cyclic information is unknown if the test engineer is not involved with the operating principle of the EUT, so if following a black box testing approach, the measurement will never get to completion ! ;<) Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals mana

Re: [PSES] EM Severity Levels

2016-12-21 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
but to the actual level instead as this obliges customers to buy Basic standards (which are not for product approvals) and costs them more. Tell us the test phenomenon (RI,EFT,SURGE or other) and I can help you find the appropriate level. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager

Re: [PSES] EN 302 195 Distance Conversion Factor

2016-12-05 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
) Of course measurements in this area make sense about the EMI-level at the measurement point, and that is why some standards make measurements in the close field at a predefined distance. Changing that distance will make measurements incomparable. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager

Re: [PSES] dimension of the stud for PE

2016-12-01 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
do own such a device in the voltage DIP immunity setup, mine has 4000VA output and can be digitally controlled. (or use the amplifier of a Harmonics / Flicker set-up) Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager

Re: [PSES] DC-power conducted emissions per CISPR11: 2016

2016-11-29 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
This phrase is a typical addition one finds in standards often as the result of a compromise, where a generic test requirement has been reduced to a subset. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager + ce

Re: [PSES] DC-power conducted emissions per CISPR11: 2016

2016-11-28 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
al redaction quality process, checking for standards basics. Although I must admit that I see no trace of any ISO or other quality system on their site, where laboratories are supposed to comply with ISO 17025 Regards, Ing. Gert Gremm

Re: [PSES] DC-power conducted emissions per CISPR11: 2016

2016-11-28 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
) should then refrain from dated references at all or use some kind of index number to annex ZA when a standard is referred. And it's a shame that CENELEC (as the latest responsible in the chain) is so careless in their published texts. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager

Re: [PSES] DC-power conducted emissions per CISPR11: 2016

2016-11-28 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
ommon modifications, indicated by (mod), the relevant EN/HD applies." The latter phrase suggests that EN 55011:2016 is used instead of CISPR 11:2015 for which a DOP of 17-02-2017 is given as its status clearly references CISPR11:2015(mod) This may give you a few months Regards, Ing. Ge

Re: [PSES] DC-power conducted emissions per CISPR11: 2016

2016-11-28 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
: "For measurements at LV d.c. power ports of power electronic equipment, a modern implementation of the 150 Ω Delta-network specified in CISPR 16-1-2 has been made available" Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approva

Re: [PSES] Public view of this email server?

2016-11-22 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
+1 Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager + ce marking of electrical/electronic equipment + Independent Consultancy Services + Compliance Testing and Design for CE marking according to EC-directives

Re: [PSES] EU EMC Harmonized Standards (2014/30/EU) for Audio Power Amplifiers

2016-11-12 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
For professional equipment EN 55103-1 and -2 apply ! Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager + ce marking of electrical/electronic equipment + Independent Consultancy Services + Compliance Testing

Re: [PSES] Bulk Current Injection

2016-11-10 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
e voltages on the generator (=amplifier) output that might couple in on the cable under test There is probably not a real reason, but the decision was part of was thought to be good craftsmanship. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approva

Re: [PSES] Automated vehicles.

2016-11-07 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
In IOT land the rock will warn the cars before it falls….. ;<) Gert Van: alfred1520list [mailto:alfred1520l...@gmail.com] Verzonden: maandag 7 november 2016 20:39 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] Automated vehicles. On November 7, 2016 9:03:11 AM PST, Ted

[PSES] Where have the leak proof batteries gone ?

2016-11-07 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
not actually get used, but empty over time. Any recommendations for a reliable brand available world wide ? Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager + ce marking of electrical/electronic equipment + Independent

Re: [PSES] Operating temperature range for consumer electronics & electrical appliances

2016-11-07 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager + ce marking of electrical/electronic equipment + Independent Consultancy Services + Compliance Testing and Design for CE marking according to EC-directives

Re: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1

2016-11-03 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
harmonized….", as it is not the standard that could claim the harmonization property, but the OJ publication only. The discussion if a standard is harmonized in any other way is not relevant. Standards are by definition a harmonisation (in the generic sense) instrument. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen A

Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] IEC 62368-1

2016-10-20 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
We are all used to that odor, we work with standards right ? They are "expired" before first print. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager + ce marking of electrical/electronic equipment + I

Re: [PSES] Criteria for determining industrial vs. non-industrial for EMC testing purposes

2016-10-19 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
-2 is written by Cenelec , not by the European Commission. A smart way of circular reasoning. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals manager + ce marking of electrical/electronic equipment + Independent Consultancy S

Re: [PSES] Criteria for determining industrial vs. non-industrial for EMC testing purposes

2016-10-18 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
) and are “common modified” to EN versions. So CISPR11 (world wide) becomes EN 55011 (Europe harmonised) without changing the “Industrial” definition. Regards, Ing.  Gert Gremmen, BSc     g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953    Before

Re: [PSES] When is EMI testing performed?

2016-10-05 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
May i try another coding ? While testing<>end call (nobeer) call collegues(headache) call nopromotion(this year) end while If testresult= pass then call pub(beer) else fired(now) end if Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen Approvals m

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