When: January 18, 2017 7PM (6:30PM for Q)
Topic: Red Hat OCID and Container Security
Moderator: Daniel J Walsh , Lead SELinux Engineer , Red Hat Software
Location: MIT Building E-51, Room 315
Summary:
Red Hat's new OCID container system, an alternative to Docker
Abstract:
OCID (CRI-O
When: January 18, 2017 7PM (6:30PM for Q)
Topic: Red Hat OCID and Container Security
Moderator: Daniel J Walsh , Lead SELinux Engineer , Red Hat Software
Location: MIT Building E-51, Room 315
Summary:
Red Hat's new OCID container system, an alternative to Docker
Abstract:
OCID (CRI-O
When: March 21, 2012 7PM (6:30PM for QA)
Topic: Linux Soup XII: Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization Manager
Moderator: Christoph Doerbeck
Location: MIT Building E51, Room 335
Summary
A demonstration of Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization Manager (RHEV-M)
Abstract
Christoph discusses the Red Hat
When: March 21, 2012 7PM (6:30PM for QA)
Topic: Linux Soup XII: Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization Manager
Moderator: Christoph Doerbeck
Location: MIT Building E51, Room 335
Summary
A demonstration of Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization Manager (RHEV-M)
Abstract
Christoph discusses the Red Hat
A decent writeup about how/why Red Hat changed the way they
distribute kernel patches:
http://www.linux-mag.com/id/8414/
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Matt Lind, Assistant Director of Computer Services at NHTI, wrote to
tell me that NHTI has adopted the Red Hat Academy curriculum (1) as the
basis of their Intro to UNIX Operating Systems course coming up this
fall. The first semester covers the equivalent of Red Hat's RHA030
course and the second
On Nov 14, 2007, at 20:12, Ben Scott wrote:
Is there really such a thing? If so, what you're describing is
brilliant.
How about 'if not'? :) There's a fine line between genius and
insanity.
If not, maybe we should put something together. It's not
just a conference about Open
Red Hat Announces Fourth-Annual Red Hat Summit
Customers, Partners and Open Source Community Members Invited to Join
Together June 18-20 in Boston, Mass.
(FUDCon is planned for the same time/place: a separate,
no-admission-charged venue for that one...)
http://home.businesswire.com/portal
Ben Scott wrote:
On Nov 14, 2007 2:48 PM, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Customers, Partners and Open Source Community Members Invited to Join
Together June 18-20 in Boston, Mass.
Anyone have ballpark figures for what admittance to this event usually
costs?
Well, JBossWorld
Ben Scott wrote:
On Nov 14, 2007 2:48 PM, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Customers, Partners and Open Source Community Members Invited to Join
Together June 18-20 in Boston, Mass.
Anyone have ballpark figures for what admittance to this event usually
costs?
Red Hat Summit 2005
On Nov 14, 2007, at 17:22, Ted Roche wrote:
Red Hat Summit 2005, N'Orleans, $999
Red Hat Summit 2006, Nashville, $1199.
Red Hat Summit 2007, San Diego, $1349
Ted Pattern? We don't see no stinkin' Pattern Roche
Wow, breaking 2 grand this decade... IIRC we were offered a very nice
LUG
On Nov 14, 2007 6:35 PM, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll be in the hotel across the street at the CentOS Summit, where
they'll simulcast the Redhat Summit from their attendee's wifi helmet-
cam. Bring some chips and throw a five in the shoebox to help cover
the room cost.
Is
I'd also be interested in a gambit like this; no way could I possibly
afford such wack entrance fees, but I'd be happy to chip in for hotel room/s
and I'd bring down however many cases of Vermont microbrew would be
necessary...
I'd guess this would have to be sorta classified should we go ahead
On Oct 19, 2007, at 10:26, Michael ODonnell wrote:
People ? I've been told that I occasionally fit into
that category, so please tally at least one exception to
your assertion, and allow me to counter with my own:
The point is if sizeof(People) 0, it's a problem.
If 98% deal with it
On Oct 17, 2007, at 22:47, Ben Scott wrote:
List Header Cancer: The disease where the Cc header in a thread
grows larger and larger as everyone who has ever participated in the
thread gets added to the Cc list by people who blindly hit Reply
All for every message they send.
Separate issue.
On Oct 19, 2007, at 00:59, Greg Rundlett wrote:
I'm just pointing out how ridiculously broken the system is,
to the point where it doesn't even benefit the biggest and most
powerful companies commensurate with the money and resources put into
the system. That you can patent a canister with a
On Friday 19 October 2007 10:26, Bill McGonigle wrote:
Sometimes it seems people get the patent for asking the question that
nobody ever thought to ask before. Once you come up with the
question, the answer is often trivial.
A physics professor once forcefully insisted that physics was
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:54:41 -0400
Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 18, 2007, at 14:20, Chris wrote:
What is actually wrong with having the Reply To: as the list, after
all, that is where the message came from.
Messages are delivered by the list, but they come from a
Bill wrote:
people expect replies to go to the person
People ? I've been told that I occasionally fit into
that category, so please tally at least one exception to
your assertion, and allow me to counter with my own:
Mailing lists are understood to be (analogous to) meetings
conducted in a
On Oct 18, 2007, at 14:20, Chris wrote:
What is actually wrong with having the Reply To: as the list, after
all, that is where the message came from.
Messages are delivered by the list, but they come from a person. So,
people expect replies to go to the person. This expectation can lead
On 10/19/07, Greg Rundlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against people or companies with
patents. I'm just pointing out how ridiculously broken the system is,
to the point where it doesn't even benefit the biggest and most
powerful companies commensurate with
On Oct 17, 2007, at 22:47, Greg Rundlett wrote:
Due to the patent system, the world is limited to basically two large
consumer products companies that sell coffee. Why? because canisters
come in round or square shapes (triangular being rather impractical --
although maybe there is an idea I
On 10/18/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 17, 2007, at 22:47, Greg Rundlett wrote:
Due to the patent system, the world is limited to basically two large
consumer products companies that sell coffee. Why? because canisters
come in round or square shapes (triangular being
On 10/17/07, Ben Scott wrote:
On 10/17/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Additionally please send email either to the listserv or to the poster
you are replying to, but not both.
Au contraire, please send messages to both me and the mailing list.
Au contraire contraire,
On 10/18/07, Jeff Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Au contraire contraire, please do not. Abuse of Reply All causes
List Header Cancer!
Couldn't this be solved by the list setting Reply-To: to the list?
No. Some MUAs still include all addresses if the Reply All
function is invoked.
On 10/18/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/18/07, Jeff Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Au contraire contraire, please do not. Abuse of Reply All causes
List Header Cancer!
Couldn't this be solved by the list setting Reply-To: to the list?
No. Some MUAs still include
On 10/18/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A million years ago, this list took a vote, and the harmful
faction won. I'm really uninterested in repeating the debate unless
there is significant evidence a change in opinion has occurred, and
AFAICT, no such evidence exists.
Yes, I was
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:47:19PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
On 10/17/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Additionally please send email either to the listserv or to the poster
you are replying to, but not both.
Au contraire, please send messages to both me and the mailing list.
On 10/18/07, mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Au contraire, please send messages to both me and the mailing list.
Au contraire contraire, please do not. Abuse of Reply All causes
List Header Cancer!
Here's a solution for both of you. Use a mailer that supports
Mail-Followups-To:,
On 10/18/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is actually wrong with having the Reply To: as the list ...
Just a question looking for an answer, not questioning list policy
Read the links I posted in the message.
-- Ben
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Why does this whole conversation smell of being no more than an
annoyance? Nothing in any of this is going to please everyone, and
frankly, I like my quick *reply-all* *rant* *click send* steps
(adjusted for this argument). If CCancer is
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 04:10:41PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
On 10/18/07, mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Au contraire, please send messages to both me and the mailing list.
Au contraire contraire, please do not. Abuse of Reply All causes
List Header Cancer!
Here's a solution
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, mike ledoux wrote:
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:47:19PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
On 10/17/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Additionally please send email either to the listserv or to the poster
you are replying to, but not both.
Au contraire, please
On October 18, 2007, TARogue sent me the following:
The fix needs to be in the list, not the reader.
Before there is a fix, I think there needs to be a problem. The original
complaint was that abuse of reply-to could lead to this cancer. If
people are simply smart enough to trim down their
Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* I buy coffee from other companies that use round metal containers
(aka coffee cans)
I buy my coffee in either:
- a foil lined bag
- a cardboard coffee cup
The latter of which usually comes with some sort of completely
inadequate plastic lid, the
On 10/18/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 17, 2007, at 22:47, Greg Rundlett wrote:
Due to the patent system, the world is limited to basically two large
consumer products companies that sell coffee. Why? because canisters
come in round or square shapes (triangular being
On 10/18/07, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I buy my coffee in either:
- a foil lined bag
- a cardboard coffee cup
OK, I do the cup thing all the time, but I would think it would be
hard to drink it out of a bag...
-- Ben
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I just wanted to add a followup here on this.
First note that the patents involved should expire in December, 2008.
But there is a more in-depth discussion that PJ had with a retired
patent attorney. Basically, I think that the reason for filing this
suit now is that, assuming the patents are
On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 08:41 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
I just wanted to add a followup here on this.
First note that the patents involved should expire in December, 2008.
But there is a more in-depth discussion that PJ had with a retired
patent attorney. Basically, I think that the reason
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:38:24 -0400
Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One thing that annoyed me is that the lawsuit was claiming economic
damages and you find yourself wondering how much money could they be
talking about when they didn't do any of the work that led to the patent
in the
On Oct 17, 2007, at 10:40, Jerry Feldman wrote:
The issue of patent trolls is a troubling issue because there are
companies, such as IP Innovation LLC that exist simply to enforce
patents that were filed by others. I think that it may require some
patent reform legislation to fix this.
Is
patent trolling would also be
preventing a company from selling an asset.
In the case of the 3 patents in the Red Hat/Novell case, we are talking
about Xerox, not a small inventor. But, you certainly have a very valid
case.
Additionally please send email either to the listserv or to the poster
On Oct 17, 2007, at 16:01, Jerry Feldman wrote:
That company at some
future time, decides to sell the patent because they may no longer be
receiving revenue from that product.
Even worse - I've licensed the patent to four companies who are using
it, and a fifth is infringing. I don't have
On 10/17/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Additionally please send email either to the listserv or to the poster
you are replying to, but not both.
Au contraire, please send messages to both me and the mailing list.
Au contraire contraire, please do not. Abuse of Reply All
. The problem here is that
by legislating restrictions to outlaw patent trolling would also be
preventing a company from selling an asset.
In the case of the 3 patents in the Red Hat/Novell case, we are talking
about Xerox, not a small inventor. But, you certainly have a very valid
case.
I don't
and was issued in
1991 and was filed by Xerox. It is curious that only Red Hat and Novell
are the plaintiffs. Why not FSF (GNOME), of X.ORG, or TrollTech (KDE
and QT). Why not some commercial Unix systems that use KDE or GNOME, or
even the ancient CDE. Additionally, Groklaw lists a couple
Jerry,
It is curious that only Red Hat and Novell
are the plaintiffs. Why not FSF (GNOME), of X.ORG, or TrollTech (KDE
and QT).
I think you meant that Red Hat and Novell are the defendants, not the
plaintiffs, in this suit. Having a few defendants at one time is a
normal thing. You only
So, now that http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071011205044141
is out there..
What are peoples thoughts on the patent in question?
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?u=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsrchnum.htmSect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFp=1r=1l=50f=Gd=PALLs1=5072412.PN.OS=PN/5072412RS=PN/5072412
Thomas Charron wrote:
So, now that http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071011205044141
is out there..
What are peoples thoughts on the patent in question?
On my Fedora system...$ echo $LANGen_US.UTF-8$ echo $PAGER/usr/bin/lessThey display ok with bolding in a plain xterm.Strip escapes out:man page | col -b | $PAGER
On 2/19/06, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's the fix for when Red Hat derived systems (in the currentcase, my Fedora Core 4
Ben == Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote the following on Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:27:35 -0500
snip
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Actually, six bit characters were good enough to go to the moon.
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Actually, six bit characters were good enough to go to the moon.
Five bit Baudot codes on the ASR-33, my first terminal in 1969.
http://www.pdp8.net/asr33/asr33.shtml
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:45:19 -0500, Ben Scott wrote:
What's the fix for when Red Hat derived systems (in the current
case, my Fedora Core 4 desktop) display crap in man pages?
[Suggestion of dumping FC for $OTHERDISTRO reconsidered and omitted.]
This typically manifests as a highlighted
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What's the fix for when Red Hat derived systems (in the current
case, my Fedora Core 4 desktop) display crap in man pages?
Fire up emacs, and either:
M-x manRETname of commandRET
or:
C-h i
to enter info mode, which the Gnu people seem to feel
On 2/19/06, Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's the fix for when Red Hat derived systems (in the current
case, my Fedora Core 4 desktop) display crap in man pages?
[Suggestion of dumping FC for $OTHERDISTRO reconsidered and omitted.]
Avoiding controversy and debate? Come now
On 2/19/06, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's the fix for when Red Hat derived systems (in the current
case, my Fedora Core 4 desktop) display crap in man pages?
Fire up emacs, and either:
M-x manRETname of commandRET
Just FYI, that didn't fix anything, either. Neener
Ben,
The content of /etc/redhat-release file shows:
Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS release 4 (Nahant Update 2)
Thank you.
Zhao
Ben Scott wrote:
[CC'ing the list with the OP's permission. Please include the list in
any replies.]
On 1/2/06, Zhao Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you
[CC'ing the list with the OP's permission. Please include the list in
any replies.]
On 1/2/06, Zhao Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you for still paying attention to my partition problem.
Sure thing. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. :)
1 What release of Red Hat
to get
Knoppix/QTParted/etc working is the wrong track. Red Hat provides
tools for partition management. Aside from being easier then a full
shutdown and reboot, Red Hat's tools usually support all of the
feature in Red Hat's distribution, which Knoppix may not (being
derived from Debian, a very
Note that Knoppix will use your swap partition. You should turn off
swap before you run QTParted.
You also should run QTParted as root. Normally, when booting Knoppix
you are a regular user. Just bring up an xterm or console, the su -
to become root, then turn off the swap:
swapoff /dev/hda6
Hi Jerry,
Thanks for your suggestions.
Below is what I did.
1 regular boot up from Knopixx
2 bring up konsole
3 su -
4 swapoff /dev/hda6
5 qtparted
For step 5, I got a line saying qtparted: cannot connect to X server
So I started qtparted via K menu - systems, and tried to resize
hda4
On Friday 30 December 2005 09:42 am, Zhao Peng wrote:
1 regular boot up from Knopixx
2 bring up konsole
2a xhost +
3 su -
4 swapoff /dev/hda6
5 qtparted
For step 5, I got a line saying qtparted: cannot connect to X server
That will be fixed by step 2a added above.
So I started qtparted
On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 09:42 -0500, Zhao Peng wrote:
Hi Jerry,
Thanks for your suggestions.
Below is what I did.
1 regular boot up from Knopixx
2 bring up konsole
On my Knoppix 3.9 I can bring up a root console directly from the
Penguin Icon at the lower left (second icon from left)
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:42:38 -0500, Zhao Peng wrote:
Hi Jerry,
Thanks for your suggestions.
Below is what I did.
1 regular boot up from Knopixx
2 bring up konsole
3 su -
4 swapoff /dev/hda6
5 qtparted
For step 5, I got a line saying qtparted: cannot connect to X server
So I
Hi,
Another thing you could do is to use Knoppix to mount and copy your 3 GB of
data to another partition that you are not going to modify, then simply delete
the partition that you wish to resize and remake it.
md
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email:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:42:38 -0500
Zhao Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Jerry,
Thanks for your suggestions.
Below is what I did.
1 regular boot up from Knopixx
2 bring up konsole
3 su -
4 swapoff /dev/hda6
5 qtparted
For step 5, I got a line saying qtparted: cannot connect to X
Thank you folks. Now I was able to start qtparted from shell as root.
But, I ran into the following error message:
Filesystem has incompatible feature enabled
Same error happened when I used parted. Not surprising, I believe qtparted is sort of GUI version of parted.
I googled and found no good
On Friday 30 December 2005 09:42 am, Zhao Peng wrote:
1 regular boot up from Knopixx
2 bring up konsole
2a xhost +
3 su -
4 swapoff /dev/hda6
5 qtparted
For step 5, I got a line saying qtparted: cannot connect to X server
That will be fixed by step 2a added above.
So I started qtparted
Hi,
I'm back to bug you guys on this thread. (BTW, It's very likely that I
may use some terms incorrectly, due to my unfamiliarity with linux.
Sorry about that. :) )
In case you may forget, let me repeat my situation:
only 1 hard drive, and only RedHat Enterprise installed on it, and no
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:10:44 -0500
Zhao Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Right now I'm having Red Hat Enterprise AS installed on my desktop
computer (which has only one hard drive). I'm wondering if I can also
put Fedora on it so that I can dual boot from either Red Hat Enterprise
On Wednesday 28 December 2005 01:10, Zhao Peng wrote:
Hi,
Right now I'm having Red Hat Enterprise AS installed on my desktop
computer (which has only one hard drive). I'm wondering if I can also
put Fedora on it so that I can dual boot from either Red Hat Enterprise
AS or Fedora.
I know
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:27:03 -0500
Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you need to install it to an existing drive with no free partitions, then
you'll need to repartition that drive. There are ways of doing this under
Linux, but I would not recommend this approach for a neophyte. Partition
On the sub-topic of partitions and dual-booting Red Hat derived Linuxes...
I know recent releases of Fedora Core (FC3 and later, IIRC) default
to using LVM for everything. I expect RHEL is going to go that route
eventually, too (if they haven't already). So, if you're using LVM,
the whole
Fred wrote:
The quick answer to that is *yes*. You can, using GRUB, set up as many
booting OSes as you like.
If you need to install it to an existing drive with no free partitions, then
you'll need to repartition that drive. There are ways of doing this under
Linux, but I would not
On Dec 28, 2005, at 2:10 PM, Ben Scott wrote:
-- Ben LVM LV VG PE, WTF? Scott
Ben, I know you're likely up on all the LVM TLAs, but for those folks
who'd want to know more, Bill Stearns did a great presentation of LVM
at last month's Dartmouth - Lake Sunapee LUG meeting, and expressed
On 12/28/05, Dan Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Partition Magic (aka PQMagic) does not support ext3 filesystems ...
... PQMagic will no longer be updated, since it was bought out by
Symantec ...
Symantec still sells PartitionMagic as a current product. I don't
know how often they update
Ben Scott wrote:
On 12/28/05, Dan Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Partition Magic (aka PQMagic) does not support ext3 filesystems ...
... PQMagic will no longer be updated, since it was bought out by
Symantec ...
Symantec still sells PartitionMagic as a current
, maybe a BIOS setting?
==
== I hate getting old. :-(
==
==Understood, tho most folks agree that it's superior to
==all currently available alternatives...
=
=No! It's a Red Hat 9 machine. That's the point.
=
Found the problem. It was a BIOS setting.
--
Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like
I have two machines here that are each running with 2G of ram. One sees
all of its ram and the other only sees 256M. This is ringing a bell in the
back of my mind about how to fix it. I can't remember if there's a boot
commandline option that's needed or a special kernel-build trick that was
The standard x86 kernels can handle 2Gb wthout any special
options or parameters, so the issue is almost certainly
something specific to your machine, maybe a BIOS setting?
I hate getting old. :-(
Understood, tho most folks agree that it's superior to
all currently available alternatives...
most folks agree that it's superior to
=all currently available alternatives...
No! It's a Red Hat 9 machine. That's the point.
--
Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have .0.
happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ ..0
Donor?Black
just nearly completed building RHEL3
from the source rpms and generating my own CDs before I stumbled upon
the torrent files for Whitebox. I hadn't gone through the extra steps
(yet) of removing the Red Hat trademarks, however.
I haven't used Whitebox (yet?) all that much, but I did install
On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 14:06, Dan Coutu wrote:
snip
One of the most interesting tidbits I learned from the evening is of
a project called White Box Enterprise Linux which provides a set of
binaries built from the RHEL sources that is available without the
Red Hat annual service fees. You can
Yesterday I attended the Red Hat Linux World Tour event in Boston.
It was an interesting event and they spoke a fair amount about
their strategic direction and future plans. As is fairly clear by
now they are focused on the enterprise customer who needs real
support for their Linux servers. Toward
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, at 8:52pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fedora (though I think I now understand that is the name for the lastest
distro of RedHat)
More completely:
Red Hat Software (RHS) used to produce something called Red Hat Linux
(RHL), which was a distribution of Linux. Several
Bill,
is first of all take Debian, why is there a Fedora project when there's
Debian, a ten-year-old project with all its policies done...with over a
thousand developers?
A rhetorical question if I have ever heard one.
Debian following, participating in, and supporting the LSB is a great
They also take issue with some of Debian's policies.
Ben, could you elaborate on the above point? TIA.
--
If the current stylistic distinctions between open-source and commercial
software persist, an open-software revolution could lead to yet another
divide between haves and have-nots:
They also take issue with some of Debian's policies.
Ben, could you elaborate on the above point? TIA.
Actually, I'd love an elaboration, as well. I don't know a lot about
Debian, so any information would be appreciated.
- Dana
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is Microsoft. It'll be a little while
longer before they treat Linux as part of their bread and butter.
(And when they do you can expect more fishing for a business model
of the kind which we've been seeing even from Red Hat.)
In the meantime, let's enjoy being pioneers in supporting Free Software
level of support
for Linux, but only for specific distributions -- Red Hat and SuSE, mainly,
with Red Hat being the leader.
Not that they should be expected to do otherwise. You cannot qualify,
test, or develop for an abstract concept like what the word Linux has come
to mean in most contexts. Nor
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On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:55:14 -0400
Tom Fogal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
why does one need support for a[/any] linux distribution?
With respect to the other posts, I think that it is important for Linux
to be commercially available. By this I mean
, also near-zero support from major third-party vendors, who
need a traditional company and a traditional product to do business
with. :-( These same problems, BTW, apply to the new RHL.
With these changes by Red Hat, we're re-evaluating our plans here at Net
Technologies. I'm seriously
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 10:17:57AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's at least one project that exists to independently build binary
RPMs for RHEL, from the SRPMs which RHS must, by law, provide. See:
http://www2.uibk.ac.at/zid/software/unix/linux/rhel-rebuild-l.html
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, at 1:03pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RH only needs to provide the source for software with GPL, LGPL, or
similar licenses.
A, good point. Red Hat, so far, has always maintained that they will
provide source for all of their Open Source products, even non-GPL ones
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, at 9:37am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With these changes by Red Hat, we're re-evaluating our plans here at Net
Technologies. I'm seriously considering Debian, but the lack of support
from our vendors (e.g., Dell) means other problems.
Vendors schmendors.
Nice to say
.
Most large companies cannot handle the idea of a software platform that
doesn't have a company like Red Hat promoting it. They also take issue with
some of Debian's policies.
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this is a big deal.
-tom
Has anyone heard the rumors about Red Hat Splitting the Personal versions to
a new sub company and new product name ? Here is the text of the message is
received from the SuSE users group,
Redhat announced that they are discontinuing the consumer version (used to
be called
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 12:55:14PM -0400, Tom Fogal wrote:
maybe someone could explain this to me, i've never really understood it and
its apparently a huge selling point.
why does one need support for a[/any] linux distribution?
if one doesn't know how to do something, theres
Has anyone heard the rumors about Red Hat Splitting the Personal versions to
a new sub company and new product name ? Here is the text of the message is
received from the SuSE users group,
Redhat announced that they are discontinuing the consumer version (used to
be called Redhat Linux
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