Re: OT - Transmission Replacement - Re manufactured vs Used

John, Yes, it looks like the first car with CVT was made in 1896 by Milton Reeves. I am not sure if it would be considered a "luxury" one or not. What I meant is a really mass-production of many different models across different brands. And I meant the modern, computer-controlled designs

Re: OT - Transmission Replacement - Re manufactured vs Used

> On 31 May 2016 at 22:51 John Francis wrote: > > > On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 12:52:18PM -0400, Igor PDML-StR wrote (of CVTs): > > > > Despite being in existence (in non-luxury models) for over 10 years, . . . > > That's a bit of an understatement. > > We have one in our

Re: OT - Transmission Replacement - Re manufactured vs Used

On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 12:52:18PM -0400, Igor PDML-StR wrote (of CVTs): > > Despite being in existence (in non-luxury models) for over 10 years, . . . That's a bit of an understatement. We have one in our (2003) MINI (which has been replaced once under the extended warranty I purchased). But I

Re: OT - Transmission Replacement - Re manufactured vs Used

What the heck? $11k? A new outback is list price 25K. The transmission is half that? Dang. I'm glad I buy cars with manual transmissions. On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Mark C wrote: > While just driving along the highway Thursday my 2011 Subaru Outback made > some

Re: OT - Transmission Replacement - Re manufactured vs Used

I've stayed out of this until now because others have answered questions about the CVT transmission better than I can. BUT ... just from personal experience, any warranty on the "reman" transmission will expire before the transmission fails again. A good clean "used" transmission from a wreck

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> On 30 May 2016 at 14:04 Paul Stenquist wrote: > > > Subaru makes their own CVT, That _is_ surprising - and would totally change the complexion of any conversation you might have with the dealer. No buck to pass and, with it being a "from new" purchase, I would be

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Thanks, Paul. After you mentioned that I did some googling and found the same info in a Wikipedia article. I plan on going with the reman. My local shop can't get a new unit at this time, so a reman would be the best option with them. I'm hopeful that Subaru will help out - we'll see next

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Good summary... I don't see pursuing litigation. The car is out of warranty and I had ample opportunities to buy an extended warranty (they kind of pester you to do that). I made the decision not to get the extended warranty and in this case it was a bad call. I've made worse decisions. My

Re: OT - Transmission Replacement - Re manufactured vs Used

Subaru makes their own CVT, a rarity these days, so I misspoke in that regard. JATCO makes the Nissan transmission, and it’s also used by Chrysler, GM Mitsubishi and Suzuki, but not Subaru. That’s somewhat irrelevant, but I wanted to clarify. I would still go the dealer route and see if you

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This is not an old car, and Subaru's entire U.S. Marketing campaign is based on longevity and reliability. They are likely to help you out on this. Don't buy a used problem. Go to the dealer who sold you the car and work on him. Don't throw money away on a used CVT. Paul via phone On May 30,

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> On 29 May 2016 at 23:36 Mark C wrote: > > > Just so I understand - you're saying get a used CVT, have someone go > into it and look for common faults and repair as needed before > installing. Right? Precisely. But I would take it to a transmission specialist for the

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Mark, you have provoked a most interesting thread. A minefield of opinions! In the end it comes down to two things: (a) getting the car on the road again ASAP & (b) economics. The litigation route could take months. If you are to keep the car, an exchange unit (recon) with guarantee seems the

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Mark, if you plan to drive this car for some time more (like not selling it immediately after it become driveable again), I would think that going with one of 10K options (better brand new in my view) is unfortunate circumstance of life. I know in USA it is a lot of money to invest in the car,

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Just so I understand - you're saying get a used CVT, have someone go into it and look for common faults and repair as needed before installing. Right? Interesting option - I might raise that with the shop that would install a used unit. My thought now, though, would be to try to narrow the

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Thanks, Paul - I had no idea that manufacturers did not make their own transmissions. My initial contact with Subaru was positive so I am hoping to be able to work things out. After the first discussion I decided to move the car back here before taking up the issue. Aside from being

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Thanks, Igor. Reading on the web, it sounds like some CVT's are having problems. The local mechanic I talked to mentions that NIssan had extended their warranty. Unfortunately Subaru has not done that. The reliability issue is indeed a concern. This literally just stopped working while

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> On 29 May 2016 at 20:31 Mark C wrote: > > > The quotes for the remanufactured CVT are all for one from Subaru. FWIW, > the independent shop told me ~8000 to put in a remanufactured unit, in > the ball park with what the local to what the local dealer told me. The >

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Yeah - going with a remanufactued unit sounds like the best option and I'll be working with Subaru and the local dealer. On 5/29/2016 11:23 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I would avoid a used CVT. You could end up with another failure in short order. Go to a Subaru dealer and bug the company for

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Swap it to a manual and then only have to worry about clutch plates. :) On May 29, 2016 3:32 PM, "Mark C" wrote: > The quotes for the remanufactured CVT are all for one from Subaru. FWIW, > the independent shop told me ~8000 to put in a remanufactured unit, in the > ball

Re: OT - Transmission Replacement - Re manufactured vs Used

The quotes for the remanufactured CVT are all for one from Subaru. FWIW, the independent shop told me ~8000 to put in a remanufactured unit, in the ball park with what the local to what the local dealer told me. The alternative is a used CVT - i.e. one pulled from a car in a junkyard. I'm

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Yeah, that's a lot. My brother had years of excellent service with his Subaru Forester and then it too died of some rather expensive repairs that kept on coming. (The Prius CVT is a completely different transmission design that can only be utilized with their Synergy parallel hybrid power

Transmission Replacement - Re manufactured vs Used

Hello Mark, go with a used one canabalized from another Subaru. Don't be afraid. I am an automotive Engineer, having owned a Subaru - albeit one with a 5-gear automatic transmission - uses fluidics and a torque converter. I am not a CVT admirer as these generate friction losses and will not

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Based on what Igor said below, I would do some web research and find out who makes Subaru's CVT. It's not likely Subaru. Two or three companies make most of the world's transmissions, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Nissan and Subaru use the same trans. If so, you can point to Nissan's

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Mark, I do not know anything about Subaru's CVTs. I've had somewhat extensive experience and learned about Nissan's CVTs through the first-hand experience, numerous and very detailed conversations with mechanics and reading/searching for information online. I don't how that would apply to

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Firstly, I would be wanting to know what went wrong with the original. It's not unknown for, for example, Ford powershifts to fail here due to lack of maintenance - even with a main dealer FSH. That would be a civil litigation issue. WRT replacement, I would take the "clean room" story with a

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I would avoid a used CVT. You could end up with another failure in short order. Go to a Subaru dealer and bug the company for some help on this. If they refuse look into lemon law relief. But I think you can get a new one through Subsru at a discounted price. Paul via phone > On May 29, 2016,

Re: OT - Transmission Replacement - Re manufactured vs Used

If its Subaru remanufactured its probably fine for what its worth. I would only go with their rebuilds though. Warranty I wouldn't know. 6 months sounds reasonable to me. On May 29, 2016 11:18 AM, "Zos Xavius" wrote: > Jesus that's expensive for a transmission swap. I didn't

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Jesus that's expensive for a transmission swap. I didn't know the outbacks were using CVTs now. I wonder why it would fail so early. The Prius CVT can hit 200k pretty easily. On May 29, 2016 11:12 AM, "Mark C" wrote: > While just driving along the highway Thursday my 2011

OT - Transmission Replacement - Re manufactured vs Used

While just driving along the highway Thursday my 2011 Subaru Outback made some odd noises and suddenly lit up what looked like every warning light on the control panel. I pulled over and wound up getting it towed to the nearest dealership. On Friday they gave me the bad news - at just 78,000