TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-09 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I thought I'd ask list members what they thought about this. Here's my post on the subject, in case it's of interest - I'd love to hear whether others on the list agree.

RE: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-09 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Will which is compliant with Hanafi or Shafai or Wahabi or other schools of Islamic jurisprudence, for example), the court could use this to trim establishment claim standing. On Nov 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Volokh, Eugene wrote: I thought I'd ask list members what they thought about this. Here's my

RE: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-09 Thread Volokh, Eugene
unchallenged and unchallengeable for decades until exactly the right case comes along. Steve On Nov 9, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Volokh, Eugene wrote: I'm not sure whether Prof. Jamar is making a point about what standing law should be, or what it is now. But as to the latter, as best I

RE: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
-that-allegedly-endorse-or-disapprove-of-religion/#more-39151 .) But I thought I'd note it in any event. Eugene From: Volokh, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 2:41 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

RE: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw- boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene [vol...@law.ucla.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 5:41 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law Perhaps I'm missing something here, but I

RE: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
to allow the parade of horribles that Eugene adumbrates (I certainly would). Vance On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: (1) Yes, there's a 1982 case finding no standing with regard to that Arkansas law. (2) The Oklahoma

FW: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Well, the Catholic League minority reasoned that the parties who are personally the subjects of the resolution, such as Cardinal Levada, Archbishop Niederauer, and Catholic Charities, could demonstrate cognizable harm, because they were singled out by name in the resolution; but

RE: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Well, it's not my view of standing - it's the Catholic Charities minority's. The five judges thought that San Franciscans didn't have standing to challenge the resolution simply on the theory that it allegedly conveyed a message of hostility to their religion, or made them feel

RE: FW: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
There are two theories as to standing in this case, I think. One is psychological injury standing; that’s what we’ve been discussing, and I think that under the bulk of the circuit cases – with the exception of the Catholic Charities majority – there is no standing to challenge

RE: FW: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Well, if indeed the theory is that the court is not really deciding what Sharia law calls for, but just what the testator wanted, then I agree there might not be a First Amendment problem – but then I’m not sure that the amendment would ban the consideration of such testimony.

RE: FW: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene [vol...@law.ucla.edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:45 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: FW: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law Well, if indeed the theory is that the court is not really

RE: FW: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
that a particular religion or doctrine is unwelcome is not a development to be welcomed or for that matter tolerated by theories of standing that ignore real and intended injuries . Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edu

Enjoining the certification of election results

2010-11-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I realize that this question is not one of the law of government and religion as such, but it is relevant to the disposition of the Oklahoma litigation, so I thought I'd ask. The judge's TRO enjoined defendants from certifying the election results for State Question 755; presumably the

Religious arbitration

2010-11-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw- boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene [vol...@law.ucla.edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 2:09 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law (1) Yes, there's a 1982 case

RE: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
But would the amendment actually apply to judicial enforcement of religious arbitrations -- or arbitrations under the law of foreign countries -- so long as the court itself was only applying secular American law and not religious or foreign law? Eugene -Original

RE: Religious arbitration

2010-11-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I'm not sure whether 42 USC 1981 would apply to arbitral tribunals' decisions about which witnesses to consider; but if it does, I wonder how it would apply to Beth Dins. As I understand it, certain kinds of witnesses before those tribunals must be adult, male, Sabbath observing Jews.

RE: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
procedures were actually followed by the tribunal. Or am I missing something? From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw- boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene [vol...@law.ucla.edu] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:14 PM

RE: Religious arbitration

2010-11-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
- boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene [vol...@law.ucla.edu] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:22 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Religious arbitration I'm not sure whether 42 USC 1981 would apply to arbitral tribunals' decisions about which

RE: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
That's an excellent question, but wouldn't there be a First Amendment problem here even in the absence of the Oklahoma provision? If the court has to decide what Islamic law really calls for, then that, I think, would involve a secular court impermissible deciding a religious question.

Re: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I would think that, under Lukumi Babalu and McDaniel, the government may not authorize the enforcement of secular arbitrations but refuse to enforce religious arbitrations. Whatever the scope of permitted discrimination against religion might be under Locke v. Davey, I don't see

Re: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
(1) I take it that the argument isn’t really that courts shouldn’t “enforce religiously motivated obligations.” Presumably no court would or should scrutinize the motivations for a person’s obligation, and then refuse to enforce the obligation because it stems from the person’s

RE: TRO against Oklahoma no use of Sharia Law

2010-11-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I'm not sure I understand. Jones v. Wolf expressly says (emphasis added): Furthermore, the neutral-principles analysis shares the peculiar genius of private-law systems in general-flexibility in ordering private rights and obligations to reflect the intentions of the parties.

Federal regulators apparently force bank to take down religious symbols

2010-12-17 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Any thoughts on this story? See also Sen. Inhofe Rep. Lucas's response, at http://inhofe.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.PressReleasesContentRecord_id=f5d51d96-f7ff-cb88-e863-3b8dfc32eacc http://www.koco.com/r/26162860/detail.html A small-town bank in Oklahoma said the

RE: Federal regulators apparently force bank to take down religioussymbols

2010-12-17 Thread Volokh, Eugene
/article/3524584?custom_click=headlines_widget Kevin Pybas From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 3:09 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject

RE: Federal regulators apparently force bank to take down religioussymbols

2010-12-17 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Christian symbols and messages from their desks and workstations? Alan Brownstein From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 3:37 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE

RE: Federal regulators apparently force bank to take down religioussymbols

2010-12-20 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Alan: Can you flesh out the discrimination theory more? I take it that the claim is that requiring everyone to display something would constitute discrimination (not just failure to accommodate religious beliefs, or creation of an allegedly hostile environment), and that this

RE: Federal regulators apparently force bank to take down religioussymbols

2010-12-21 Thread Volokh, Eugene
The likelier example involves someone driving a truck for Jesus Is Lord Carpentry Services or some such. Could he demand a transfer to another task at the company (for which he might not be qualified), or tape over the slogan on the truck, so that it would no longer be easily

RE: Federal regulators apparently force bank to take down religioussymbols

2010-12-21 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Michael: How religious does the statement have to be before requiring it becomes religious discrimination (which is per se forbidden, unless religion is treated as a BFOQ, a high bar) as opposed to absence of religious accommodation (which may be permissible, if an accommodation is an

RE: Federal regulators apparently force bank to take down religioussymbols

2010-12-21 Thread Volokh, Eugene
(voice) masin...@nova.edu954.262.3835 (fax) Quoting Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edu: Michael: How religious does the statement have to be before requiring it becomes religious discrimination (which is per se forbidden, unless religion is treated

May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant to an arbitration agreement?

2011-01-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
That's the issue lurking in In re Aramco Servs. Co.http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=11521915190435651264, now on appeal to the Texas Supreme Court. DynCorp and Aramco Services (both of which were at the time Delaware corporations headquartered in Houston, though Aramco Services is a

RE: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant to an arbitration agreement?

2011-01-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: That's the issue lurking in In re Aramco Servs. Co.http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=11521915190435651264, now on appeal to the Texas Supreme Court. DynCorp and Aramco Services (both

RE: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant to an arbitration agreement?

2011-01-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene [vol...@law.ucla.edu] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 11:46 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant toan arbitration

RE: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant to an arbitration agreement?

2011-01-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
My view is that being a Muslim is not a limitation on being an arbitrator that a court may properly enforce, given the First Amendment and the Equal Protection Clause. I don't think there's any constitutional difficulty with a court's deciding whether someone

RE: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant to an arbitration agreement?

2011-01-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
academic knowledge of religion sue for discrimination if she's denied such employment? On Jan 3, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: I'm not sure whether BFOQ doctrine as to religion helps us much as to the First Amendment analysis. That private entities aren't barred

RE: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant to an arbitration agreement?

2011-01-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene [vol...@law.ucla.edu] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:19 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant

RE: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant to an arbitration agreement?

2011-01-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Eugene, In your mind does the constitutional difficulty arise from the court choosing a Muslim arbitrator under the contract or from the enforcement of a contract involving religious terms? The former; I don't see any inherent problem in enforcing the results of a religious

RE: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant to an arbitration agreement?

2011-01-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
on specific religious qualifications to attend to the specific needs of an identifiable group. Under the hypo we're dealing with here it seems to me that's all the court is being asked to do. If it isn't objectionable in one context, why is it in another? On Jan 3, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Volokh, Eugene

RE: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant to an arbitration agreement?

2011-01-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I wrote: I'm no great fan of the more expansive readings of Shelly. But when a government actor is deciding who gets a particular (lucrative) position based on that person's religion, it seems to me that state action is eminently present, or more specifically that the

RE: May American court appoint only Muslim arbitrators, pursuant toanarbitration agreement?

2011-01-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
A subsidiary of a Saudi government agency (Aramco) entered into a contract with an American company, having to do with conduct in Saudi Arabia. I take it that we'd have no problem with a subsidiary of a French government agency providing that disputes with it would be arbitrated

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2011-01-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I'm not sure I quite understand Eric's point. If the contract says that Muslim arbitrators are to be chosen, but there's a dispute about who's a Muslim, and the result is that the court can't act, then that's another way of saying that the contract is not enforceable by the

Muslim arbitrator contracts, entanglement, and discrimination

2011-01-04 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Let me deal in this post with Eric's query about the entanglement issues raised by contracts that call for judges to appoint Muslim arbitrators. I think the matter is complex, and involves an interaction between First Amendment no-entanglement doctrine and First Amendment

Muslim arbitrator provisions and religious peremptory strikes

2011-01-04 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I have one more response to Eric's points, though this is one on which my views are especially tentative, because it relies on a line of cases -- the Court's peremptory challenge decisions -- the scope of which is uncertain. The Court has made clear that courts may not allow

Judges asked to choose Muslim arbitrators, universities asked to choose Christian scholarship recipients

2011-01-04 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Let me try to respond to Eric's arguments, in several parts. I'll discuss the entanglement who-is-a-Muslim? Issue in a separate e-mail, and try to focus on the discrimination issue here. 1. To begin with, it's not that unlikely to say to a potential arbitrator, you aren't

RE: Danish MP guilty of the crime of insult[ing] or denigrat[ing] Muslims

2011-01-13 Thread Volokh, Eugene
defense of such hate mongering? Steve On Jan 13, 2011, at 6:51 PM, Volokh, Eugene wrote: Jesper Langballe apparently wrote, Of course Lars Hedegaard shouldn't have said that there are Muslim fathers who rape their daughters when the truth instead seems to be that they make do with killing

Bans on insult[ing] or denigrat[ing] religious groups, and social science

2011-01-13 Thread Volokh, Eugene
...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Steven Jamar Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:34 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Danish MP guilty of the crime of insult[ing] or denigrat[ing] Muslims This wasn't an academic study with empirical conclusions. On Jan 13, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Volokh

New AALS Law Religion Section newsletter issue

2011-01-21 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Mark Scarberry asked me to pass it along: http://www.aals.org/documents/sections/lawandreligion/LawReligionDec2010.pdf Eugene ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see

RE: Harassment

2011-03-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
in the face of the mourners at the funeral service.) On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: I don't think harassment is a sufficiently well-defined legal term to be helpful here. To be sure, it is defined - though vaguely

IIED applied to speech that violates a content-neutral restriction

2011-03-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
the right result if there were no such time/place law, but the protest was right in the face of the mourners at the funeral service.) On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: I don't think harassment is a sufficiently well-defined

RE: Harassment

2011-03-04 Thread Volokh, Eugene
contest? Or am I barking up a telephone pole here? Ed Darrell Dallas --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: From: Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edu Subject: RE: Harassment To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Date: Friday, March 4, 2011

RE: IIED applied to speech that violates a content-neutral restriction

2011-03-04 Thread Volokh, Eugene
is a sufficient source of the outrageousness, thereby ameliorating the risk of viewpoint discrimination in the outrageousness verdict. (Note the qualifier and where it chose to say it in the paragraph.) In sum -- On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol

RE: IIED applied to speech that violates a content-neutral restriction

2011-03-04 Thread Volokh, Eugene
...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 9:50 AM To: Eric Segall Cc: Volokh, Eugene; Law Religion issues for Law Academics; conlawp...@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: IIED applied to speech that violates a content-neutral restriction To make Eric's hypothetical close to Snyder, the church involved would

RE: IIED applied to speech that violates a content-neutral restriction

2011-03-04 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Well, again, wouldn't NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware be pretty squarely on point here? If one could campaign to get people to shun their neighbors for simply shopping at white-owned stores, I would think that one could campaign to get a professor fired for a wide variety of

FW: Court Explores Catholic Doctrines For End of Life Decisions

2011-03-14 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Folks: Any thoughts on this case? It struck me that the court’s statement went beyond just trying to determine the likely wishes of Joan Zornow, who had been a quite devout Catholic, and made assertions about what Catholics should think, not just about what this Catholic did

RE: May court decide whether religious arbitration procedures were followed

2011-03-22 Thread Volokh, Eugene
under Islamic law, may a judge decide what Islamic law requires, and then decide whether the arbitration was consistent with that? Eugene From: Rick Garnett [mailto:rgarn...@nd.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:06 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Cc: Volokh, Eugene

Categorical protection for religious practice, at least where licensing decisions are involved?

2011-04-07 Thread Volokh, Eugene
This bill was sent to the Arizona Governor for signature on Monday: http://www.azleg.gov//FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/50leg/1r/bills/sb1288s.htmSession_ID=102http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/50leg/1r/bills/sb1288s.htmSession_ID=102 Be it enacted by the Legislature of

RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Perhaps, but Cutter v. Wilkinson did involve a square Establishment Clause challenge to RLUIPA, and yet Justice Stevens joined the Court's opinion upholding RLUIPA against such a challenge. From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On

RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I'm puzzled by the statement that RFRA was not ... held unconstitutional solely on federalism grounds -- as I understand the majority opinion, it cited only the federalism objections to RFRA, and not the Establishment Clause. (Justice Stevens' solo concurrence mentioned the

RE: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
to the 14th Am. Sec. 5 context and therefore to a federalist interpretation, but which could be read more broadly. Dan Conkle -Original Message- From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw- boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 4

Free Exercise Clause absolutely bars slander claims based on statements in confidential church proceedings

2011-04-15 Thread Volokh, Eugene
So held a Kansas state trial judge in Purdum v. Purdum, 2011 WL 1430279 (Kan. Dist. Ct. Apr. 11, 2011), which dealt with a slander claim based on statements made in a church annulment proceeding. I doubt that this is right; I would think that the First Amendment ban on religious decisions by

RE: Settlement or extortion?

2011-04-25 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I’m not sure why TRFRA is the likeliest claim; I would think that the strongest claim would be a Title VII one. Nor does the “you knew the job required this when you took it” defense work for Title VII; maybe it should, but that’s not the way the law stands now.

RE: Settlement or extortion?

2011-04-25 Thread Volokh, Eugene
What exactly does settlement or extortion? mean in this context? (I'm not saying there can't be such a distinction, but I'm just curious what it is.) Is it that the lawsuit was a sure loser? (If so, do we know whether it was? For instance, was another driver available, so

RE: Settlement or extortion?

2011-04-25 Thread Volokh, Eugene
...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 6:07 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Settlement or extortion? Sandy: Can you explain, please, exactly why you think the bus driver has a sure loser case, given that nurses who

RE: Settlement or extortion?

2011-04-25 Thread Volokh, Eugene
This case involved, I think, not a bus route driver, but a sort of bus-driver-as-taxi service. In that situation, there might often be other drivers who could be dispatched (depending on the total number of drivers in the department and depending on how many are generally

Settlement or extortion? and antidiscrimination law (and tort law) more generally

2011-04-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Here’s one thing that has puzzled me about the “settlement or extortion?” thread. Many critics of tort law and employment law – largely conservatives and libertarians – have long argued that our legal system often leads to unmeritorious claims being settled to avoid risk and to

RE: Settlement or extortion?

2011-04-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Indeed: Not everyone who goes into Planned Parenthood goes in for an abortion; in fact, most don't. But I'm not sure how this is relevant to the Title VII question, or the still-undefined settlement or extortion? issue. Religious accommodation rules protect ludicrous religious

Religious accommodation and accomplice objections

2011-04-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
In many religious accommodation controversies, the claimants object to doing something because they think such an act would make them accomplices to sin. The bus driver / Planned Parenthood case is one example; another is some landlords' objection to renting to unmarried couples

So what does all this mean for religious accommodation doctrine?

2011-04-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:04 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Religious accommodation and accomplice objections In many religious accommodation

RE: Religious accommodation and accomplice objections

2011-04-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I'm puzzled about the analogy Marci is drawing in the post quoted below. Alan wrote, in the post to which Marci is referring: In many situations, the rationale for not doing something that by itself is not technically wrongful is the idea one's conduct may be misperceived by

RE: Settlement or extortion? and antidiscrimination law (and tort law) more generally

2011-04-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
bumper sticker on her desk, and she sued for wrongful discharge, and the employer's insurance company settled for $21,000, even though the law of the relevant state was very unlikely to support the woman's claim. Call me cynical. Art Spitzer On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Volokh, Eugene vol

RE: Bus Driver and Women's Interests/ Was Settlement or extortion?

2011-04-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
It seems to me that Marci's argument really is a full-on attack on much of Title VII religious accommodation law. An employee wants Saturdays off - but what if everyone wanted Saturdays off? A nurse doesn't want to participate in abortions - but what if all the nurses want

RE: Religious accommodation and accomplice objections

2011-04-27 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I’m not sure this is quite right. 1. Federal public accommodation law is grounded on the Commerce Clause, but it applies to a very limited set of places of public accommodation (setting aside disability discrimination law, which is a separate matter) –

Wills that state they are to be interpreted under religious law

2011-04-29 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Any thoughts about the case below? I think I'd raised this question before on the list, but the case offers an especially concrete example: In Alkhafaji v. TIAA-CREF Individual and Instit. Services LLC, 2010 WL 1435056 (Pa. Ct. Com. Pl. Jan. 14, 2010), Prof. Abbass

Kansas Court of Appeals adopts strict scrutiny under state constitution's religious freedom provision

2011-05-05 Thread Volokh, Eugene
See the Religion Clause blog post below; the court also applied the post-Smith “individualized exemption exception” under the federal Free Exercise Clause. As best I can tell, this means the states now break down as follows: State decisions

RE: Kansas Court of Appeals adopts strict scrutiny under stateconstitution's religious freedom provision

2011-05-05 Thread Volokh, Eugene
, but it is somewhat misleading to refer to state rfras because many don't sweep across all laws like RFRA did. Eg, PA excludes laws involving crimes against children. Thanks--Marci Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edu

RE: The religious exemptions in the new NY same-sex marriage law

2011-06-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Surely they must be able to - just as Lutherans could decide who's really Protestant enough for them, or Christians can decide that Mormons aren't really Christians - since otherwise secular courts would have to decide the true boundaries of Judaism, which I take it that they

Sexual orientation discrimination, and analogies

2011-06-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
The discussion of bans on sexual orientation discrimination suggests that it's important what one analogizes sexual orientation to. Obviously, opponents of such discrimination bans analogize it to discrimination based on nonreligious personal conduct, which generally (though not in all states)

Man declared mentally incompetent solely based on his religious beliefs

2011-07-22 Thread Volokh, Eugene
That's what the Ohio Court of Appeals (State v. Daleyhttp://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/rod/docs/pdf/8/2011/2011-ohio-3584.pdf, decided yesterday) said happened in the court below; the appellate court reversed the trial court's mental incompetence finding. Daley was charged in March 2010 with

RE: Man declared mentally incompetent solely based on his religio us beliefs

2011-07-23 Thread Volokh, Eugene
of Strittmater, 140 N.J. Eq. 94, 53 A.2d 205 (1947.) Judy Baer From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 6:05 PM To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Man declared mentally

Interesting early W. Va. Att'y Gen. opinion on released time programs

2011-08-06 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I just came across this 1926 opinion, which I hadn't heard, and which I thought might be of interest. Eugene 31 W. Va. Op. Atty. Gen. 344 Office of the Attorney General State of West Virginia March 15, 1926 SCHOOLS-Pupils Cannot be Excused During School Periods to attend Religious

RE: Interesting early W. Va. Att'y Gen. opinion on released time programs

2011-08-08 Thread Volokh, Eugene
rather vague language, but the WV one doesn't seem to do. Oh well, I guess back in the 20s they didn't have modern doctrines like Originalism. Vance On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: I just came across this 1926 opinion, which I

Widmar v. Vincent redux, though in a traditional public forum?

2011-08-14 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Any thoughts on this incident? It sounds to me like the church should win in Widmar v. Vincent – if a university can’t exclude religious worship from a designated public forum, it surely can’t exclude it from a traditional public forum, no? Indeed, the baptism would presumably

RE: Widmar v. Vincent redux, though in a traditional public forum?

2011-08-15 Thread Volokh, Eugene
? Well ... Don't forget Rehnquist's play in the joints from Locke v. Davey, also a Washington case, by the way. Te state's position seems like a perfectly respectable old-time separationist view. Randy Bezanson U Iowa Sent from my iPad On Aug 14, 2011, at 11:24 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol

Establishment Clause, equal access, and confusion

2011-08-15 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I've never seen the force of concerns about confusion about government endorsement created by equal access proposals, especially when there's time to explain things to the confused people. Schools' job is to dispel confusion among students about various things. They have lots

RE: Widmar v. Vincent redux, though in a traditional public forum?

2011-08-15 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Locke seems apt. Randy From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] on behalf of Volokh, Eugene [vol...@law.ucla.edu] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:45 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Widmar v

RE: Widmar v. Vincent redux, though in a traditional public forum?

2011-08-15 Thread Volokh, Eugene
:43 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: Well, the state constitutional defense for the exclusion was raised in Widmar as well and rejected; and the worship-nonworship line was rejected, too. So I don’t think the play-in-the-joints argument

RE: Establishment Clause, equal access, and confusion

2011-08-15 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I’m with Doug on this: It’s hard for the school to honestly disclaim endorsement and preferential treatment when it deliberately invites a member of the clergy, precisely because he is a member of the clergy. It’s much easier to make clear to people that there is no

RE: Establishment Clause, equal access, and confusion

2011-08-15 Thread Volokh, Eugene
in Pinette) -- disclaimers explicable to young students (more of a challenge than Eugene suggests); and perhaps even make special efforts to ensure that an array of groups, religious and nonreligious, are encouraged to make use of the school. On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol

Teacher suspended for anti-same-sex-marraige Facebook post

2011-08-18 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Any thoughts on this? http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/18/florida.teacher.facebook/ Lake County Schools Communications Officer Chris Patton said school officials received a complaint Tuesday about the content on Mount Dora High School teacher Jerry Buell's personal Facebook page CNN

RE: Teacher suspended for anti-same-sex-marraige Facebook post

2011-08-18 Thread Volokh, Eugene
on that). Eugene From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:56 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Teacher suspended for anti-same-sex-marraige Facebook post Any thoughts

RE: Teacher suspended for anti-same-sex-marraige Facebook post

2011-08-19 Thread Volokh, Eugene
From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:37 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Teacher suspended for anti-same-sex-marraige Facebook post

RE: Teacher suspended for anti-same-sex-marraige Facebook post

2011-08-19 Thread Volokh, Eugene
that this post realistically (without the fuss caused by the suspension itself) would have caused harm to gay students or disrupted the school generally? Steve Sanders University of Michigan Law School On Aug 18, 2011, at 6:56 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: Any

RE: Does exemption from antidiscrimination law for all religious organizations violate the Washington Constitution?

2011-10-25 Thread Volokh, Eugene
of liability) is remote enough that the state is justified in withholding whatever administrative machinery is put in place by the statute? Vance On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: Washington antidiscrimination law, http://apps.leg.wa.gov

RE: Hosanna-Tabor

2012-01-12 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I agree with Doug on this, and want to add one item: The Sherbert/Yoder regime put courts in the position of having to evaluate a vast range of laws -- antidiscrimination laws, animal cruelty laws, assisted suicide bans, child labor laws, compelled testimony laws, copyright laws, drug

RE: Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on religious grounds

2012-01-12 Thread Volokh, Eugene
the Establishment Clause prohibits the government from taking over the financing of religion (even if it funds some secular institutions while doing so.) -Original Message- From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw- boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent

RE: Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on religious grounds

2012-01-12 Thread Volokh, Eugene
1) It's hard to see how the Court's decision has thrown [laws] into limbo. The Court took pretty much the same view taken for years by many lower courts; whatever doubt the Court's decision casts on these laws had already been cast on them by lower court decisions.

RE: Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on religious grounds

2012-01-12 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Alan: Doesn't that return us to the perennial question of whether Witters was rightly decided, whether the GI Bill should have been unconstitutional, and whether the Court has been right in saying that tax exemptions are generally a form of subsidy? After all, under Witters, the GI

RE: Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on religious grounds

2012-01-13 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Message- From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw- boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 1:24 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee

RE: Hosanna-Tabor

2012-01-13 Thread Volokh, Eugene
It seems to me that Justice Scalia not only meant what he said in Smith, but signed on in Hosanna-Tabor to an opinion that followed what Justice Scalia said. Scalia in Smith: The only decisions in which we have held that the First Amendment bars application of a neutral,

RE: Contraceptives and gender discrimination

2012-02-13 Thread Volokh, Eugene
was in FAIR? If not, why not? From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edumailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:04 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics

Complicity, line-drawing, and substantial burden

2012-02-14 Thread Volokh, Eugene
It seems to me that complicity is a very complicated matter for all legal and moral systems, religious and otherwise. It requires all these systems to draw lines that are often not easy to defend, and that turn on symbolism that others don't share. Consider how our own legal system deals with

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