When normal is insane, what does extremism mean?
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Ken,
special thanks for your nice answer. It is my duty to
write an editorial regarding the feedback of my Scientism
paper.
Peter
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at
It remind me the doctor who wahs taking care of Kim Jung Hill (or
another...who died recently...).
He said that that man was normal.
It is a place where prisoners in reeducation camp are executed by bath in
melted metal (heard in a TV document talking of Mengele replicators from
WW2 to now).
they
Alan,
Have you tried your model with what I think is the most likely method of fraud:
running full current through the supposedly dead 3rd phase wire?
This would change the power input from an an average of 266 Watts (800 Watts *
0.33) to 666 Watts (800 Watts * 0.33 + 400 Watts * 1.0).
This
With all the talk about NASA and an LENR powered airplane, it would seem
that all that one needs now for the near-term reality - is to apply a HotCat
with a direct conversion scheme - to this design for the E-plane.
It is quite beautiful - and appeared recently at the Paris Air Show, but
more of
[This was sent directly to Milstone by accident, because of the way his
e-mail response is set up. This happens at Vortex from time to time.]
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com
mailto:john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
From the report:
The three-phase power cables were checked and
[Sent directly to Milstone by accident]
I wrote:
3. In an insulated electric 3-phase cable, all four wires are
bundled together under the insulation.
Correction: all 5. As noted there is neutral and ground.
The point is, you cannot disconnect individual ones without exposing
them all.
[Sent directly by accident!]
I wrote:
When something like this happens normally, it is a mistake, not a
deliberate effort at fraud. This would be a very dangerous mistake.
I mean that when a wire which is supposed to be dead actually carries
current, that is dangerous. That sort of
[Sent directly by accident!]
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com
mailto:john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
Have you tried your model with what I think is the most likely
method of fraud: running full current through the supposedly dead
3rd phase wire?
The power meter would detect
[Sent directly by accident! Sorry about this.]
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com
mailto:john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
It wouldn't have found the fraud in the cheese videos.
But as I pointed out, anyone who strips the wire to measure voltage
would spot this instantly, and there
It has appeared that Rossi's ECAT and DGT's device are animals of a different
species. I have modeled the ECAT and find that the COP of 6 seems to be a
consequence of the fact that he uses heat to control the generation of
additional heat in a positive feedback manner. Attempting to achieve
I'll summarize the multiple emails, since I certainly don't want to flood the
channel by responding to each email individually.
Regarding the meter: Both the instruction manual and Mats Lewan (through an
email from the manufacturer) verifies that the meter DOES NOT measure DC
current.
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
It is quite beautiful - and appeared recently at the Paris Air Show, but
more of a powered glider.
Hey, they didn't even show it airborne!
Me, I like big planes like this C-17:
Fran,
Any coupling between the active resonators, such as Coulomb, would act as the
platform. The higher the Q of the resonances, the lower the amount of
coupling required for this to occur. Tuning differences of the resonances will
also play an important part.
One question that arises is
It is not a great leap of the imagination to suggest that the present HotCat
is not far away from what is needed for the first LENR airplane... can we
call it the CatBird?
Little doubt it will be a drone, even if the EADS design was made for a
human pilot (assuming that the deep pockets funder
David Roberson said:
The problem is that the bar can always be raised higher when one is seeking
proof of a system. Maybe I am wrong, but I have a strong suspicion
that there is virtually no test that Rossi could perform which would not afford
those who seek misconduct an avenue of attack.
*“I am assuming the heating resistors are the emission source and the micro
tubles on the inside of the reactor wall form the nano pattern that causes
plasmon resonance stimulated by the emission causing magnetic oscillation?”*
Yes, the heat synchronizes everything to an astounding level. The
How did tesla generate tens of millions of volts potential in the secondary
circuit at his lab in Colorado springs, when he was only feeding his primary
with at most a few hundred volts? The 'power' was not amplified, but one
electrical property (V) was, at the expense of the other (I); nothing
Remember this post?
http://phys.org/news/2012-12-hot-electrons-impossible-catalytic-chemistry.html
Hot electrons do the impossible...
A spark produces hot electrons and therefore fuel for the reaction.
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:08 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It has
From: John Milstone
For starters, CERN isn't selling franchises to the Higgs Boson. CERN
doesn't rely on secret customers and secret experts to validate their
work. Etc, etc.
This is complete bull crap ! Big Science is doing much worse than that.
But more so with regard to
Your only question should be whether or not the total heat is what is being
measured by the camera system, not how it is generated.
'Nonsense! If the input was faked, then the output is meaningless. I have
suggested a simple trick to add a constant ~400 Watts to the input power level,
and
Mark,
I think you should refer to energy as the variable needed to allow fusion.
Power can be manipulated into very large numbers by making the time extremely
short for an energetic event. This is like the trade off you mention between
voltage and current by Tesla.
Dave
-Original
You are exactly right; EMF is concentrated just like Tesla did it. But it
happens through the size differences between the clusters. Big clusters act
like primaries and small ones like secondary.
When large clusters touch small ones, large EMF amplification occurs in the
nano-volumes between
Well said, JONES!!! This is exactly the situation. Physics has sold
the governments of the world on spending money for research that has
practically no value. This use of money limits what else can be
explored and greatly distorts what can be discovered. LENR has been
rejected and held
Actually, it doesn't take a lot of imaginations to visualize a direct
gas turbine conversion. The core of the Hot Cat is a 33mm dia tube, so a
finned bunch of these replacing the combustion chambers could make for
an inefficient engine. Who cares about the efficiency in this case?
Does it fly?
--On Friday, June 21, 2013 7:08 AM -0700 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
wrote:
With all the talk about NASA and an LENR powered airplane, it would seem
that all that one needs now for the near-term reality - is to apply a
HotCat with a direct conversion scheme - to this design
I agree Ed. Both you and Jones have stated the situation eloquently and I hope
that John gives considerable thought to what has been said.
I suppose that one reason that any current modern physics determination can be
overturned by a knowledgeable skeptic is that they all are the current
Dave, I had the same question, emission penetration seem to favor surface
effects and one would expect such an effect to dissipate below the surface but
you also mentioned the Q of these cavities which might allow deeper plasmons to
synchronize and resonate as slaves to the surface layer..
-Original Message-
From: a.ashfield
Actually, it doesn't take a lot of imaginations to visualize a direct
gas turbine conversion. The core of the Hot Cat is a 33mm dia tube, so a
finned bunch of these replacing the combustion chambers could make for
an inefficient engine. Who cares
David Roberson said:
You missed the point. I was only discussing the output power in this
section and not referring to the input at all. That is a different
issue.
Do you suggest that there is no doubt about the claim of the Higgs being
discovered?
You missed the point here. A higher COP
You miss (ok you avoid) a key point on all of your critics.
Since Rossi wasn't allowed to forbid DC measurement with my home voltmeter,
or removing insulator, or installing a connection box, on the fly, with
classic wired ammeter/powermeter, since he was not allowed to forbid any
reasonable test
-Original Message-
From: Ron Wormus
Does it fly?
Hi Ron - No indication of it flying yet.
As with the Convair Pogo they could be awaiting a brave test pilot :)
Care to volunteer?
From: John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:07:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: About the March test
For starters, CERN isn't selling franchises to the Higgs Boson.
CERN doesn't rely on secret customers and secret experts to
validate their work. Etc, etc.
Well, they
Sure. I'd fly it around in ground effect. Those wing gear look pretty
spindly though.
I think they would be better served by putting the ducted electric fan on
an existing sailplane design that just needs to get off the ground enough
to find some lift. Then the batteries wouldn't need to be
I've been answering mail in sequence -- I see Jones said much the same thing
already.
Nice attempt by Benne, Storms (I'm surprised that he piled on), and Roberson to
deflect the issue.
There is still the issue that Rossi has a supposedly dead phase on his
3-phase power cabling, and that that additional wire, if it were actually
live (as per the wiring gimmick in question),
Thanks for the comment, Dave. With respect to your comment about how
science advances, I find two mechanisms are at work. A person either
looks at what Nature does and tries to find out how the behavior
functions. Or a person IMAGINES how Nature might function and looks
for justification
Fran, I have toyed with negative resistance oscillators which behave like
infinite Q tuned tanks. It is amazing how tiny an injection signal can be
that locks the free running oscillator onto its center frequency. On
occasions I have used incidental coupling for entertainment where a small
The character of the EMF stored in the hot spots is well known.
http://www.phy-astr.gsu.edu/stockman/data/Stockman_Opt_Expres_2011_Nanoplasmonics_Review.pdf
*Nanoplasmonics: past, present, and*
*glimpse into future*
* *
*Mark I. Stockman**∗*
The hot spots are the concentration
And arguing with an idiot like you doesn't advance anything. Just an
observation John.
Ransom
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 21, 2013, at 1:47 PM, John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
Nice attempt by Benne, Storms (I'm surprised that he piled on), and Roberson
to deflect the issue.
John, it is not a rant. Hot fusion is dead. It will never be a
practical source of energy in its present form. I'm not the only
person who has come to this conclusion. Nevertheless, as long as money
is spent on this method, a large self interest is supported to reject
CF and to continue
John,
Please explain how the dead wire you discuss is able to deliver a continuous
power into the control box while still explaining the modulation of the output
power and temperature as seen by the IR camera system. If, as you imply, power
is continually sent to the power resistors you need
Hot fusion is on its way out. and long overdue.
http://www.ca.allgov.com/news/controversies/feinstein-backs-off-support-for-
lawrence-livermore-work-on-fusion-130517?news=850042
-Mark Iverson
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 10:59 AM
Ed,
Nothing I've said here makes any reference to the topic of LENR. It is
entirely possible that LENR is real and Rossi is a fraud.
John
From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
From time to time, people post messages here where the response goes to the
author instead of the list. I think this has to do with a reply-to option
in some e-mail programs. I don't recall, and I do not see anywhere to
change it here in Gmail.
John Milstone had this problem. He seems to have
I guess you haven't bothered actually reading my earlier posts. sigh
With the dead wire rigged to supply power continuously, we would see a
modulation of the input power of 1200 Watts (400 from each of the 2 live
phases plus 400 Watts from the dead phase) for 2 minutes, followed by 400
Watts
What I don't understand is if these surface plasmonds in this hot spot are
negatively charged.
If they are, the light soliton will surly produce a anapole field;
monopole. If this concentration of light is not charged, I don't yet know
how light can produce a magnetic effect.
On Fri, Jun 21,
Re Eric's question, what species. The species I had in mind (armchair
style) specifically are chimps, bonobos and elephants. I remember odd bits
of information (yes, several on TV, in fact) relating how strange
elephants, for example, act at times when a herd member dies, even a long
time later.
How does this theory of fraud fit in with Rossi's money back customer
satisfaction guaranty? I do not understand how Rossi and this partners make
money with this condition in place. Please explain.
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:27 PM, John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.comwrote:
I guess you
I admit I did not see your other posts. Sorry about that one. What you said
does not add up yet. Current must go into a device and then return by some
path. If, as you say, the dead wire is supplying AC current into the control
for all time then where is the return current showing up? I
FWIW, I put together a new version of Plot 8 from the original report,
showing the full Y axis and adding the power-in if the wire trick were being
used.
As you can see, the relationship between power in and power out is unchanged.
The only difference is that the E-Cat now gives a very good
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
Regarding the wiring trick: Rothwell keeps stating that there must be a
bare conductor available to measure the voltage, and that's true. But
there is nothing in the report that indicates that the testers were the
ones who did the surgery to
The wire trick puts both sides of the circuit in the same wire. It's nothing
more than using a lamp cord masquerading as a single conductor wire (only using
wires that don't make it obvious that there are actually two conductors in the
same insulation.
It doesn't require a coaxial cable, and
Jed Rothwell said:
Anyone who glances at voltmeter probe connected to a wire will see there
is one conductor only, and not a second, insulated one under it.
The second cheese video shows that this isn't true. He measures the voltage
of his rigged power cord at about 10:30 into the video:
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
There is nothing in the report that describes the testers performing
surgery on the power lines.
Please rephrase this. The report clearly states that they checked. QUOTE:
The three-phase power cables were checked and connected directly to the
From: John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 12:01:07 PM
FWIW, I put together a new version of Plot 8 from the original
report, showing the full Y axis and adding the power-in if the wire
trick were being used.
The chart is here:
Just a reminder --
Read the LEFT scale V as Temperature (Green line Ladder )
Read the RIGHT scale A as Power (Red : Starter pattern, Green-gray : pulse,
Blue : Fake DC)
http://lenr.qumbu.com/web_hotcat_spice/130621_spice_01.png
John,
Read what Jed says about your misrepresentation of the facts. Either he is
correct, and his record is excellent, or you are and I choose to believe what
he states with his backup documentation. You say that the testers did not
have access to the wires, can you verify that? You state
Again, it's clear from the full description that they were looking for
additional WIRES. There is nothing about checking what was IN the wires.
And the statement The three-phase power cables were checked and connected
directly to the electrical outlet. doesn't address who connected the wires
Sorry John to have misinterpreted your attitude. Most people who
question Rossi are actually questioning the reality of LENR. So why
do you care if Rossi is a fraud or not? Are you a potential investor?
Ed
On Jun 21, 2013, at 12:18 PM, John Milstone wrote:
Ed,
Nothing I've said here
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Read what Jed says about your misrepresentation of the facts.
He is not misrepresenting facts! He does not believe what the authors say.
He thinks they looked for insulated wires and did not check under the
insulation, and he thinks they let Rossi attach
Jones,
I wasn't suggesting this is anywhere close, but then neither is the
electric powered version.
We don't know enough about it to start a design, but consider Defkalion
claim a much higher COP and to be able to switch it on and off. If heat
is required, some aviation fuel could be
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
And the statement The three-phase power cables were checked and
connected directly to the electrical outlet. doesn't address who connected
the wires directly to the electrical outlet, or when it happened.
Ah. You misunderstand. This is the
Speaking of the next Rossi testing, there is a village in North Carolina,
you probably know the one nearby - which may well be the new home of the big
blue box - which was shipped out of Italy recently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayodan,_North_Carolina
. and which is fairly close to
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Every line had a current probe surrounding it. Are you back to DC power
sneaking in?
I believe that is Milstone's hypothesis.
Let me explain to John Milstone that we discussed this DC power issue here
previously. I think the electrical engineers
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
It is not a great leap of the imagination to suggest that the present
HotCat
is not far away from what is needed for the first LENR airplane... can we
call it the CatBird?
lol and the first LENR boat will be called the
I do not want to drag in dirty laundry from other forums, but here is an
interesting summary of Shanahan's views, from Forbes. I do not think he
wants to participate here, so I'll copy this message, and my response.
In the following intro I am NOT denigrating Shanahan. It may sound like it,
but I
Shanahan also has some rather prissy academic standards that I do not
share, as shown here:
The paper reports some comparison to a thermocouple was done, but
summarizes it down to a single number. This is not acceptable practice for
a paper that supposedly will revolutionize physics as we know
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 2:19:11 PM
Let me explain to John Milstone that we discussed this DC power issue
here previously. I think the electrical engineers here agree that is
ruled out. I doubt that anyone will bother to respond to you about
this
I live fairly close to this area. Perhaps I can check it out when more
information is available. It would be less than 100 miles from my home.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Jun 21, 2013 4:41 pm
Subject: RE:
I was visiting my daughter this afternoon. She is going to teach science this
year in the local middle school and found an article about cold fusion near the
beginning of the book. It was speaking about how science operates and used
cold fusion as an example of how you must have replication
Systems like the LFTR have passive high temperature thermal control based
on thermal expansion of a near-critical mass density. As the temperature
increases, thermal expansion produces a rapid drop in power production
thereby stabilizing the reactor core.
Systems like the E-Cat HT are solid
Sometimes Vorticians posts looks coming from a 12 step meeting.
2013/6/21 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
I was visiting my daughter this afternoon. She is going to teach science
this year in the local middle school and found an article about cold fusion
near the beginning of the book.
Dave, Do you have the author or publisher of the textbook?
Science teachers review science books for the classroom. This reflects
a widespread deference to authority, without questioning the
assumptions or thinking for oneself.
It's too much work to edit your syllabus, not to mention
*A *lithium heat pipe provides enough thermal capacity and power transfer
density than you could ever want or need. Gravity is not a factor.
The heat transfer can be controlled by a temperature regulation of the
liquid lithium return flow. More flow results in more cooling through heat
transfer
I've been following the endless arguments about how the tests could have
been rigged and it seems like every theory has been repeated over and over
again but no one who claims it's a fraud seems to be willing to admit they
just don't know even though they have no actual evidence of fraud and can't
That sounds like a good material for Rossi to experiment with for active
cooling. He might be able to reverse the thermal run away process while
operating much closer to the limit of his ECAT thermal capacity. Do you know
the temperature at which that these devices typically operate?
Dave
Hi,
On 21-6-2013 21:49, John Milstone wrote:
Again, it's clear from the full description that they were looking for
additional WIRES. There is nothing about checking what was IN the wires.
Just to borrow a phrase from Jones: This is complete bull crap !
It seems you are completely clueless
Holt McDougal is listed below the title, Virginia Science Fusion is the name
of book. These two names are on the front cover of the book.
Houghton, Mifflin, Harcourt publishing company 2013 copyright. NEWS
weekly special addition 1989 Fusion or fiction was this experiment flawed?
http://www.lanl.gov/science/NSS/issue1_2011/story6full.shtml
500C
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:15 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
That sounds like a good material for Rossi to experiment with for active
cooling. He might be able to reverse the thermal run away process while
Mark, you have it pretty well summed up. No one has any evidence of fraud and
every piece of evidence that I have seen supports the conclusions of the
testers.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Jun 21, 2013 9:15 pm
Well, Dave, it depends on whether you are willing to sacrifice her
grades for the truth.
Back in 1978, I took an epistemology class and chose to write my paper
on Tesla. I read several books on him and wrote a paper which this
forum would consider conservative. My prof considered NT to be a
It's the weekend! Time for a brief break!
For all those Vorts who might be interested in some OT far out stuff.
Simon Parks, a British town counsel, who apparently went public back in 2010
about his on-going intimate alien encounters is getting some CNN.com
coverage today. Not surprisingly
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
I've been following the endless arguments about how the tests could have
been rigged and it seems like every theory has been repeated over and over
again . . .
I have not gone through the arguments but as far as I can tell, only two
have been proposed:
1.
From: Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:15:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: About the March test
I'd be interested in seeing a breakdown of the criticisms and the
arguments for and against as a sort of FAQ to add to the test
results.
I don't know if you ever looked at my
While you might prefer the skeptics (actually, they are arguably
pseudo-skeptics) to compile such a list until someone does and does it
right they can keep bringing up the same objections over and over again.
I'd suggest it is your opportunity to take the high-ground on objectivity
...
My $0.02
I don't know if you ever looked at my fakes document (the lost post which
never DID show up ...)
Did you post that on Technobabble? I never saw anything like that ... only
the two posts we discussed.
[m]
You sacrificed passive control without acknowledging that was the goal of
my proposal.
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
*A *lithium heat pipe provides enough thermal capacity and power transfer
density than you could ever want or need. Gravity is not a
The mere appearance of being normal doesn't mean someone is normal.
[mg]
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:27 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
It’s the weekend! Time for a brief break!
** **
For all those Vorts who might be interested in some OT far out
You must not be much of an engineer if you are so willing to blow off
explicit mention of passive control, Axil. Do you have any engineering
background in critical systems -- by which I mean systems that, if they
fail, they kill people?
I do and they didn't.
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:21 PM,
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
While you might prefer the skeptics (actually, they are arguably
pseudo-skeptics) to compile such a list until someone does and does it
right they can keep bringing up the same objections over and over again.
They will do that anyway. It isn't as if they
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
While you might prefer the skeptics (actually, they are arguably
pseudo-skeptics)
Personally, I prefer the term skeptical fringe over pseudo-skeptic, as it
has an air of neutrality and is likely to be more irritating.
Eric
Things sometimes seem far out to those in our society with closed minds.
There are many strange things in the world - a lot of which cannot be
explained by measurement, in a lab, or depending on whether a peer review
has been conducted or not. Too many people see authority as the truth and
not
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:08 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Ed's theory implies that the energy is being released in a series form
where one photon after the next is radiated from the NAE and into the
material. The other general type of operation suggests that an emission
from
Positive
Controlhttp://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2013/06/positive-control-means-the-end-of-freedom.html
When something is very dangerous, like nuclear weapons, standard forms of
protections and control methodologies aren't sufficient.
[image:
From: Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 8:16:21 PM
Did you post that on Technobabble? I never saw anything like that ...
only the two posts we discussed.
It was one of the two posts. It remained disappeared (lost, or stolen or
strayed .. it seems to have been mislaid)
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:22 AM, John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.comwrote:
There are at least 9 or 10 problems with the report:
In order to appreciate the report as being potentially interesting, one
must assume good faith on the part of Rossi. If one assumes fraud or the
likelihood of
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
When LENR is finally applied at a level that even an idiot will have to
accept, the physics community will have to explain why this acceptance took
so long when so much evidence was available and when the need for the
A passive thermostat that reduces the flow of lithium liquid in a heat pipe
is what you were after.
It uses the same passive expansion mechanism that is used in the LFTR.
What is the problem?
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:26 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
You must not be much of
I don't see how a gram or two of nano-powder can produce 10 kilowatts of
heat output. Without running any numbers, the power density is too high.
Other atoms besides those in the powder must also be involved in the
production of power. How does Ed's theory handle this?
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at
In reply to David Roberson's message of Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:52:29 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
It is not clear how a reduction in Q would reveal itself in this situation.
What indications are there that the resonant frequencies might vary as stress
is applied?
I would expect there to be a direct
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