The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 84 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Changing valve cover gasket. Where'd the screw go? e46 330i Understeer Re: e46 330i Understeer Re: e46 330i Understeer Re: e46 330i Understeer Re: Changing valve cover gasket. Screw lost in compartment Re: distilled water or not? Re: distilled water or not? Re: distilled water or not? Re: distilled water or not? Re: distilled water or not?) Re: Lug Bolts for SSR Competition Wheels - Will OEM Fit? Re: Lug Bolts for SSR Competition Wheels - Will OEM Fit? ADMIN: Play nice or else. (Was distilled water or not?) Re: cross-drilled distilled water or not?
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 13:55:50 -0500 From: UUC Admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Changing valve cover gasket. Where'd the screw go? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just to be clear, you mean it fell into the engine compartment, not the engine itself, correct? At 10:51 AM 3/13/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 13:47:01 -0500 >From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Bmwuucdigest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Changing valve cover gasket. Where'd the screw go? >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I'm finishing up a valve cover gasket that I'll write up for the group >later (have gardening to do while the weather is good. I had one problem >that I thought I'd check on with the group. > >The back most screw holding the cover on, by the wiring harness rail) >slipped out of my fingers as I was trying to get it into place. (tight >fit. It fell into the engine...unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have >fallen through. any BTDT with ideas of where to look or how to get it >loose. I'll try lurching the car when I pull it out to wash it later today. > >Other than that, the job was fairly straightforward with a couple little >tricks. amazing how dry and brittle the cover gets. More later > >Marc Plante >E36 325i, 220k >vienna, VA Michael K Donohue System Administrator UUC Digest http://www.uucdigest.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:40:31 -0800 From: Roger Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: e46 330i Understeer Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So is it me, or has anybody found that the e46's qualify as "plowing pigs" in the handling department? Don't get me wrong, overall it's still a good handling car, but when I drive my e36 M3 the balance & turn in response is so much better it's not even funny. The steering & throttle response is much more precise on the e36 too. Coming down from Lake Arrowhead In my 2002 330i (with sport package) the other day a guy in a new Ford Explorer was almost keeping up with me in the corners and my front tires were squealing with understeer pain while I was having some fun staying in front of him. Throttle steering in this thing has little effect (if you're used to being precise) as the e-wire throttle responds way too slow. I've just knocked in the factory alignment pins in the front upper strut mounts to get a hair more negative camber and am going to check the alignment & reduce toe if there's much in there. Anyone else find any simple mods (this is just my daily driver) to balance the car better? The tires are probably good for about 1 more year, so I'll probably wait a bit to try & balance those sizes out. Ah hell, maybe I'll just have to put in coil-overs with adjustable dampers & higher spring rates and realign the whole mess so it feels right. -- Roger Baker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:52:00 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: e46 330i Understeer Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Can't shake an Explorer? What tires are on that car, what is the inflation? Gary Derian > So is it me, or has anybody found that the e46's qualify as "plowing > pigs" in the handling department? Don't get me wrong, overall it's still > a good handling car, but when I drive my e36 M3 the balance & turn in > response is so much better it's not even funny. The steering & throttle > response is much more precise on the e36 too. Coming down from Lake > Arrowhead In my 2002 330i (with sport package) the other day a guy in a > new Ford Explorer was almost keeping up with me in the corners and my > front tires were squealing with understeer pain while I was having some > fun staying in front of him. Throttle steering in this thing has little > effect (if you're used to being precise) as the e-wire throttle responds > way too slow. I've just knocked in the factory alignment pins in the > front upper strut mounts to get a hair more negative camber and am going > to check the alignment & reduce toe if there's much in there. Anyone > else find any simple mods (this is just my daily driver) to balance the > car better? The tires are probably good for about 1 more year, so I'll > probably wait a bit to try & balance those sizes out. Ah hell, maybe > I'll just have to put in coil-overs with adjustable dampers & higher > spring rates and realign the whole mess so it feels right. > -- > Roger Baker > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:18:16 -0800 (PST) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: e46 330i Understeer Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, Roger Baker wrote: > Coming down from Lake Arrowhead In my 2002 330i (with sport package) the > other day a guy in a new Ford Explorer was almost keeping up with me in > the corners and my front tires were squealing with understeer pain while > I was having some fun staying in front of him. I'm not a driving instructor, nor do I play one on TV, but it sounds like your entry speed was too high if you were squealing your front tires in understeer. I drive an E46 328Ci, and I used to think it understeered a lot until I figured out how its stock suspension setup liked to be driven. In general, it seems to like late apexes and smooth driving --- it can't be tossed around too much (at least not for my skill level) to compensate for something you did on entry. > Throttle steering in this thing has little > effect (if you're used to being precise) as the e-wire throttle responds > way too slow. That could be --- I've heard a lot of complaints about this, and supposedly Conforti's Shark software will ameliorate this to an extent. Also if your front tires were terminally understeered, throttle steering won't do much for you either until you unwind the wheel. My car has a faux cable for its throttle (the throttle body is still computer controlled, but for some reason it uses a cable to actuate whatever the computer reads), and when it's balanced right (ie. the car's dynamic set and attitude), it throttle steers very precisely and predictably. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:14:54 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: e46 330i Understeer Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You obviously need UUC swaybars. ;-) As posted previously, E46s drive somewhat differently than E36s, but it's mostly the OE tuning. You can tweak it to be not terribly dissimilar from your E36. But looking at it from the other perspective, there's also a chance the Explorer was wearing some sticky tires and there are plenty of aftermarket suspension improvements for all the trucks these days. You'd be surprised what just about any vehicle can do with the right tires and some simple bolt-ons. Not that I condone this behavior, but "baiting" certain performance cars into chasing my pickup through some of our famous Jersey decreasing-radius onramps is a never-ending source of amusement... thank you Firestone, KYB, Hellwig, Akebono, and BMW CCA driving school instructors! - Rob ---- Original Message ---- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UUC] e46 330i Understeer >So is it me, or has anybody found that the e46's qualify as "plowing >pigs" in the handling department? Don't get me wrong, overall it's >still >a good handling car, but when I drive my e36 M3 the balance & turn in > >response is so much better it's not even funny. The steering & >throttle >response is much more precise on the e36 too. Coming down from Lake >Arrowhead In my 2002 330i (with sport package) the other day a guy in >a >new Ford Explorer was almost keeping up with me in the corners... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 15:05:58 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Changing valve cover gasket. Screw lost in compartment Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, Engine compartment. I'm very careful to keep the oil cap on as much as possible when working on the car. I'd be in deep #$%T if I actually dropped it in the motor. It fell down into the compartment at the driver's side rear of the head. Not sure what goes on specifically under the intake manifold in back other than the tranny casing. I tried shining a light down through to see if I could trace any light through but the light wasn't promising. Marc Marc Plante [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 13:31:24 -0800 From: "Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: distilled water or not? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Uh...roger. Reed > Steam distilling and filtering are distinct processes. > -Jay > ********** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:23:14 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: distilled water or not? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You're welcome to your opinion, Reed. Technicians, racers, engineers, technicians, and perhaps a chemist or two on this list appear to be opining that distilled water is preferable for very real reasons. Your tone (as much as can be gleaned from your responses in print) indicates to me that because you have never had a problem and don't understand why it may be important, that it shouldn't matter. We're not wanting to argue a point, just make one. Feel free to pour whatever you like into your cooling system. Jay ...does not feel that everyone on this list is more or less full of it... But, let each person speak for him- or herself... ************************** Reed wrote: What? Don't see the point in debating it? What else is there to talk about? Better to have a nonsensical debate about radiator water than to think seriously about the world political situation, or some other depressing subject. > > Okay, fine, let's get back to endless theories on the usefulness of holes in > rotors. > > I suggest that this list needs to lighten up and realize we are all more or > less full of it. It's interesting to discuss this stuff, but let's not take > it all so seriously. > > Okay, let me have it! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:38:25 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: distilled water or not? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It was per year, not per gallon... Jay ******** > > Yeah, exactly. I can't believe these people pay $2 > > for a gallon of distilled water! > > > > It's weird. I think the same people who are outraged by $2.00/gal gasoline > don't even blink at paying that for water. I could see maybe if it were BMW > brand water... > > Reed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 18:14:16 -0800 From: "Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: distilled water or not? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jay, you are taking this whole thing WAY too seriously. Most of what I was saying was with tongue in cheek, and just trying to get some lively discussion going. I haven't even done my own coolant change since the mid-eighties, I've just had it done at a shop, where I'm sure they used the finest distilled water. I've been joking about the whole discussion with a number of people on this list. Let's forget about it. I'll find something new to irritate you with! Reed ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] distilled water or not? > You're welcome to your opinion, Reed. Technicians, racers, engineers, > technicians, and perhaps a chemist or two on this list appear to be > opining that distilled water is preferable for very real reasons. > > Your tone (as much as can be gleaned from your responses in print) > indicates to me that because you have never had a problem and don't > understand why it may be important, that it shouldn't matter. > > We're not wanting to argue a point, just make one. Feel free to pour > whatever you like into your cooling system. > > Jay > > ...does not feel that everyone on this list is more or less full of > it... But, let each person speak for him- or herself... > > ************************** > Reed wrote: > What? Don't see the point in debating it? What else is there to talk > about? Better to have a nonsensical debate about radiator water than to > think seriously about the world political situation, or some other > depressing subject. > > > > Okay, fine, let's get back to endless theories on the usefulness of > holes in > > rotors. > > > > I suggest that this list needs to lighten up and realize we are all > more or > > less full of it. It's interesting to discuss this stuff, but let's > not take > > it all so seriously. > > > > Okay, let me have it! > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:37:09 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: distilled water or not?) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's about time. Now, is Perrier distilled? ;-) Jay ****** Reed finally wrote: > Okay, okay, I give up! I'm using Perrier from now on! I'll be driving the > same damn car in 2054! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:59:43 -1000 From: Jay G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lug Bolts for SSR Competition Wheels - Will OEM Fit? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for my 17x8 ssr comps, i use the stock lug bolts... ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Corbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Will the OEM bolts work OK, ie are the tapers the same? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 18:26:45 -0500 From: "The Corbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Lug Bolts for SSR Competition Wheels - Will OEM Fit? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Jay. They look fine to me too. Interestingly the Tirerack is saying that SSR specifics are required. John Corbs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] Lug Bolts for SSR Competition Wheels - Will OEM Fit? > for my 17x8 ssr comps, i use the stock lug bolts... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Corbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Will the OEM bolts work OK, ie are the tapers the same? > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 18:50:03 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ADMIN: Play nice or else. (Was distilled water or not?) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Folks, Tempers have gotten a little heated in this thread. I'll point out _unnecessarily_ heated. Remember this page that everybody read before joining the UUC Digest? http://www.uucdigest.com/listinfo/listinfo.html Specifically, this part: "..being stupid is verboten. You know most of the rules, you'll find out the hard way if you break the hidden ones. The most important UUC Digest rule does not have a number at all: Don't say anything via e-mail that you wouldn't say if the receiving person was standing right in front of you. Visualize that person holding a large axe raised above their head if that will remind you to re-read a post before sending it." Two key things there: 1) Stupid is verboten. That means that things regarding engineering or proven fact are not to be questioned just because it's fun to make noise. Common sense applies; when qualified automotive engineers, experienced technicians, racers, and those with a ton of experience explain something, saying "nope, that's not true. Neener neener." is not called for. If you have legitimate alternate information or new repeatable testing that shows otherwise, then feel free to share. 2) Be civil. No attitudes here. We get enough little kiddies playing internet tough guy and message board sociopath on the unmoderated message boards. That's unacceptable here - you've got a driver's license, you're old enough to act like an adult. Keep it that way online. Your continued cooperation in making the UUC Digest a valuable place to share technical knowledge is appreciated greatly. This list does not exist without the quality input of the listmembers. To all of you, my continued thanks. - Rob Levinson UUC Digest ListOwner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:42:25 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: cross-drilled distilled water or not? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nah, that's too expensive. ;-) I use dehydrated water. Harder to spill... Jay (what do I add?... credit to Steven Wright) **** > What, is no one going to start the "de-ionized water is better than > distilled water" thread again? It was so much fun over on the Yahoo E30 > group! > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > Been screwing up my cooling systems with tap water for years with no > apparent problems ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
