The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 365 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Turbos Re: Turbos Re: Turbos Re: Turbos Re: Turbos Re: Simple Complaint Re: <E30> DME/Chip Question FW: Turbos Re: FW: Turbos Re: FW: Turbos Re: FW: Turbos Re: FW: Turbos Re: FW: Turbos Re: <E30> Electrical Qusetion Re: <E30> DME/Chip Question
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:10:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Turbos Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It is expected to have a 4/5 version of the new M5 engine. Think 4 liters and 8250 rpm. Gary Derian --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > To re-visit this subject..... > > I am catching up on Roundel reading and noticed in > the "Heard on the > Strasse" column that there is a rumor the new M3 > will offer the 400hp V8 > and a 300hp **turboed** inline 6. > > -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:43:42 -0400 From: "Steve Stoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Turbos Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bob Wrote: <<Can the new M3 V8 be 4/5 of the M5 V10? Won't the angle be different between V10 (60 degrees) and V8 (90 degrees)>> >From what I recall, like Gary D said, 4/5ths of the V10, or chop off two cylinders to >get to the V8. Otherwise same engine. I also thought Autoweek mentioned that the >Turbo 6 would slot in around 300 horsepower to have something in between the 400hp >M3, and the 200+hp sixes. Steve Stoner, Last weeks Autoweek read and recycled. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:01:33 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Turbos Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I wish BMW would release some cars with turbos. One of the reasons I really like Saabs is the motors. Well tuned, they are really nice & produce TONS of power for a given displacement...... Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Derian > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 14:37 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [UUC] Turbos > > > The new 3 liter twin turbo diesel is very nice, > aluminum block inside a magnesium block, turbines in > parallel and compressors in series, for example. > Dunno about turbo gas engines. > > Gary Derian > > --- Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There has been a rumour of BMW going to turbo I-6 > > motors > > for the 3 and 5, but don't hold your breath ... they > > just > > re-designed the basic I6 without turbocharging. > > > > The head of the M division has said on record that > > there > > will not be any turbo M cars in the forseeable > > future. > > > > -tammer > > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > To re-visit this subject..... > > > > > > I am catching up on Roundel reading and noticed in > > the > > > "Heard on the > > > Strasse" column that there is a rumor the new M3 > > will > > > offer the 400hp V8 > > > and a 300hp **turboed** inline 6. > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > Search the > > > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > > founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > > home of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:27:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Turbos Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There has been a rumour of BMW going to turbo I-6 motors for the 3 and 5, but don't hold your breath ... they just re-designed the basic I6 without turbocharging. The head of the M division has said on record that there will not be any turbo M cars in the forseeable future. -tammer --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > To re-visit this subject..... > > I am catching up on Roundel reading and noticed in the > "Heard on the > Strasse" column that there is a rumor the new M3 will > offer the 400hp V8 > and a 300hp **turboed** inline 6. > > -Kevin _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:37:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Turbos Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The new 3 liter twin turbo diesel is very nice, aluminum block inside a magnesium block, turbines in parallel and compressors in series, for example. Dunno about turbo gas engines. Gary Derian --- Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There has been a rumour of BMW going to turbo I-6 > motors > for the 3 and 5, but don't hold your breath ... they > just > re-designed the basic I6 without turbocharging. > > The head of the M division has said on record that > there > will not be any turbo M cars in the forseeable > future. > > -tammer > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > To re-visit this subject..... > > > > I am catching up on Roundel reading and noticed in > the > > "Heard on the > > Strasse" column that there is a rumor the new M3 > will > > offer the 400hp V8 > > and a 300hp **turboed** inline 6. > > > > -Kevin > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Brewster Fong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Simple Complaint Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Celisa wrote: <I had a independent dealer back in Virginia that worked on my bimmers, I've had 3. But since I've been in Texas, I haven't been able to find one, so I have been going to the dealer, hoping they are doing the job correctly.> If you need to find a good independent, you should be able to find one near you off this list: http://www.iaibmwsp.com/MemberShops.htm#TX Maybe someone here can comment on any of the above shops. Brewster _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:48:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E30> DME/Chip Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Paul, Try http://www.programainc.com/ They've got a pretty extensive cross-reference on their site. Brian '94 325ic -----Original Message----- From: Paul Craven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sep 16, 2004 12:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UUC] <E30> DME/Chip Question Rough week or two here, I feel like a newbie with all these questions. But hey traffic is low on the digest, so I consider it to be my duty to keep things rolling. Anyhoo, being the cheap bahstahd that I am, I have been seeking a used JC or Dinan chip for my new-to-me 93 325ic. I know a new chip is only $250, but that's 5% of the cost of the car :^) My car has a "525" DME, I have found chips for 373 and 380 DME's (thanks Mike and Carlos!). Is there an interchange for chips between DME's? Dinan lists different part numbers for every DME number, but if I was selling chips, I would too. I am not faulting Dinan or the Landshark folks for wanting to make money (both are great products IMHO), but I would like to know if the chips really are different for each DME or if perhaps some of them are interchangeable. My understanding is that the DME's are interchangeable, so I makes some degree of sense to my feeble mind that the chips could be as long as they will physically fit. Anyone BTDT? Regards, Paul Craven 93 325ic - new RSM's last night, original 108k mounts had 3/4" holes clear through! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:18:13 -0500 From: "Roberts, Clarence H Mr TACOM-RI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: FW: Turbos Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Autoweek said the new I-6 US configurations would be 2.5L @ 225/230hp and 3.0L @ 255/260hp accomplished by doing away with the throttle bodies. Will these be direct injection? The info was in a preview Autoweek had of the new 3 series. The pictures made it look sort of like a Korean car on steroids. Can the new M3 V8 be 4/5 of the M5 V10? Won't the angle be different between V10 (60 degrees) and V8 (90 degrees)? Bob -----Original Message----- From: Tammer Farid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] Turbos There has been a rumour of BMW going to turbo I-6 motors for the 3 and 5, but don't hold your breath ... they just re-designed the basic I6 without turbocharging. The head of the M division has said on record that there will not be any turbo M cars in the forseeable future. -tammer _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:27:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: Turbos Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The "proper" V-10 angle is 72 degrees. The BMW V-10 is 90, making it odd-fire like the Chrysler, Ford and soon to be GM V-10s. Gary Derian --- "Roberts, Clarence H Mr TACOM-RI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Autoweek said the new I-6 US configurations would be > 2.5L @ 225/230hp and > 3.0L @ 255/260hp accomplished by doing away with the > throttle bodies. Will > these be direct injection? > > The info was in a preview Autoweek had of the new 3 > series. The pictures > made it look sort of like a Korean car on steroids. > > Can the new M3 V8 be 4/5 of the M5 V10? Won't the > angle be different > between V10 (60 degrees) and V8 (90 degrees)? > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:40:39 +0200 From: Pavel Tcholakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: FW: Turbos Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The new I6 engines are indeed direct injection petrol engines, but the mechanism that does away with the throttle bodies has nothing to do with DI - that's Valvetronic. It debuted on the E46 316i/318i which the US never got, but it made a huge improvement in fuel economy. It complements VANOS by varying the valve lift. (VANOS varies the valve timing only). The 3.0 twin-turbo diesel is most interesting. I just read today that, sadly, it won't be making an appearance in South Africa. I wonder whether BMW won't try to use their experience with turbo diesels to build a petrol engine however. Twin-turbo petrol I6... now that would be quite something, won't it? The M5 V10 engine is 90 degree, where the easiest to do would have been a multiple of 72 degrees (i.e. either 72 or 144 degrees). 90 degrees makes it very easy to chop off two cylinders and make a V8, reusing most of the tooling from the V10. Pavel. On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:18:13 -0500, Roberts, Clarence H Mr TACOM-RI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Autoweek said the new I-6 US configurations would be 2.5L @ 225/230hp and > 3.0L @ 255/260hp accomplished by doing away with the throttle bodies. Will > these be direct injection? > > The info was in a preview Autoweek had of the new 3 series. The pictures > made it look sort of like a Korean car on steroids. > > Can the new M3 V8 be 4/5 of the M5 V10? Won't the angle be different > between V10 (60 degrees) and V8 (90 degrees)? > > Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tammer Farid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:28 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [UUC] Turbos > > There has been a rumour of BMW going to turbo I-6 motors > for the 3 and 5, but don't hold your breath ... they just > re-designed the basic I6 without turbocharging. > > The head of the M division has said on record that there > will not be any turbo M cars in the forseeable future. > > -tammer > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:03:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: Turbos Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Huge improvement is overstating things a bit. I think up to 10% is what they really got. The Valvetronic 6 cyl is a second generation design. The first generation did not have quite the valve conrol needed to achieve the theoretical improvement. Gary Derian --- Pavel Tcholakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The new I6 engines are indeed direct injection > petrol engines, but the > mechanism that does away with the throttle bodies > has nothing to do > with DI - that's Valvetronic. It debuted on the E46 > 316i/318i which > the US never got, but it made a huge improvement in > fuel economy. It > complements VANOS by varying the valve lift. (VANOS > varies the valve > timing only). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:36:07 +0200 From: Pavel Tcholakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: FW: Turbos Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, about 10% is what they got. That's still huge in my books, considering reduced emissions, and increased power & torque at the same time. Haven't heard of any Valvetronic engines going pop either (and every second car around here is a 318i...), so they must have got the reliability right too. P. On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:03:15 -0700 (PDT), Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Huge improvement is overstating things a bit. I think > up to 10% is what they really got. The Valvetronic 6 > cyl is a second generation design. The first > generation did not have quite the valve conrol needed > to achieve the theoretical improvement. > Gary Derian > > > > --- Pavel Tcholakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The new I6 engines are indeed direct injection > > petrol engines, but the > > mechanism that does away with the throttle bodies > > has nothing to do > > with DI - that's Valvetronic. It debuted on the E46 > > 316i/318i which > > the US never got, but it made a huge improvement in > > fuel economy. It > > complements VANOS by varying the valve lift. (VANOS > > varies the valve > > timing only). > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:39:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: Turbos Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Clarence wrote: > Autoweek said the new I-6 US configurations would be 2.5L @ 225/230hp and > 3.0L @ 255/260hp accomplished by doing away with the throttle bodies. Will > these be direct injection? I forget how BMW's valvetronic works. don't think they're direct injection tho, just don't have throttle bodies. google will probably find you a link to how it works. > Can the new M3 V8 be 4/5 of the M5 V10? Won't the angle be different > between V10 (60 degrees) and V8 (90 degrees)? the number of cylinders & the angle of the V have nothing to with each other. put another way, making a V8 out of a V10 means only a shorter crank & block, everything else (could) remain the same. there are reasons that a particular angle would be better for whatever reason (smoother, packages better in terms of width or height) but the angle need not change when making a smaller engine off a larger one. other examples would be the modular Ford V8/V10, Chevrolet 5.7 V8/4.3 V6, Ford/Aston Martin Duratec V6/V12, VW VR6/VR5, VW W8/W12, etc. they all share common bore spacing & other systems along with the V-angle. Ben engine plant finance guy ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2004 13:16:40 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E30> Electrical Qusetion Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The advice already posted is good. I would add: - Use a small soldering iron -- 60 watts or so - Use a temperature-controlled soldering iron if possible - Clean the tip often on a damp sponge - Use rosin core solder, not acid core - On any questionable solder joints, remove the old solder first with solder-wick or a solder sucker - Pay special attention to joints on large components and connectors - Look with a microscope or strong magnifying glass for cracked traces. Curt Ingraham 72 2002tii, 76 2002 Oakland, CA Paul Craven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Many thanks to Chris Pawlowicz who suggested that I thump my dashboard > to get the tach going again in my 93 325ic. I did and it worked, so > apparently I will need to "reflow" some solder joints on the board. I > have a degree in mechanical engineering and actually got an A in > circuits, but I have no idea how to find the bad areas or really how to > fix them. I am assuming (we all know what happens when you assume) that > I will need a magnifying glass and a small soldering iron. Then I > expect to look for cracks in the solder traces on the board and when I > find them, just touch the hot sldering iron to the crack to remelt the > solder. Am I on the right track or perhaps just on crack? I want to > try to do this to learn a new skill and also because I figure my > alternative is a new board and if I screw up the reflowing, I will need > a new one anyway. > > Regards, > Paul Craven > 93 325ic - needs an EE not an ME ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:19:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Paul Craven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E30> DME/Chip Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Paul Craven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a new chip is only $250, but that's 5% of the cost of the car :^) My > car has a "525" DME, I have found chips for 373 and 380 DME's (thanks > Mike and Carlos!). Is there an interchange for chips between DME's? Make that 173 instead of 373. One experiment Karl R. and I tried was swapping some Harge chips he has on my two DMEs, the 173 and the 153. The car would start with the chip in one DME but not in the other. So even though the DMEs are interchangeable the chips weren't. -Carlos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
