The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 359 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: FS: Euro E36 M3 3.2L engine conversion package M50 vs. M20 -B25 pistons Re: M50 vs. M20 -B25 pistons Re: M50 vs. M20 -B25 pistons Re: M50 vs. M20 -B25 pistons Re: <OT> Disturbing Roundel Picture e36M3 Air pump issue Re: e36M3 Air pump issue <E30> WTB Parts Re: Limited Use Insurance? Re: Limited Use Insurance? Re: Limited Use Insurance? Re: Engine stand recommendations Re: Engine stand recommendations tire question
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 16:41:18 -0600 From: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: FS: Euro E36 M3 3.2L engine conversion package Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For sale in North America - 1997 BMW E36 M3 EURO 3.2L S5032 COMPLETE ENGINE SWAP PACKAGE -Includes engine, 5spd transmission, wiring harness, air flow meter, instrument cluster, EWS box and keys, ECU, radiator, radiator fan, Euro radiator cover, coolant overflow tank, all hoses, oil cooler, P/S pump, alternator, starter, header, exhaust center section with cat-converters, and more. This is essentially everything required for a full swap and is being removed from my car in 100% perfect running condition. It has the 5spd trans because I chose to run it this way and sold the 6spd. I can provide video documentation of the car driving and qualified buyers are welcome to drive the car to guarantee the performance of the engine! Zero risk, unlike buying a Euro engine out of a wreck in Europe! In the time I have owned the engine I have replaced many items as maintenance and service so it has always been in perfect working condition. The package also includes $1200 in performance upgrades. I can arrange to have the parts crated and shipped anywhere and I can accept Paypal, money order, wire transfer, Visa and M/C. Serious buyers should e-mail me for a detailed spec sheet. $9000obo Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:53:32 -0500 From: Christian Els <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: M50 vs. M20 -B25 pistons Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bore is the same at 84mm on these, anybody know if the deck height (wrist pin to crown) is close enough to allow one to swap the newer pistons into my old E30 motor? Or am I looking at bent valves straight off? Cheers, Christian Els Columbia, MO 88 325 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: M50 vs. M20 -B25 pistons Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The shape of the piston crown is way different between the M20 and M50. In other words, it won't work. Gary Derian --- Christian Els <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bore is the same at 84mm on these, anybody know if > the deck height > (wrist pin to crown) is close enough to allow one to > swap the newer > pistons into my old E30 motor? > > Or am I looking at bent valves straight off? > > Cheers, > > > Christian Els > Columbia, MO > 88 325 > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:22:21 -0500 From: "Paul Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: M50 vs. M20 -B25 pistons Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gary, Could you elaborate as to the "why"? Wouldn't a higher crown give us more compression? As long as we don't have valve contact, it would be a good thing.1 Paul A. Garnier Systems Integration FastNetworking -----Original Message----- From: Gary Derian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] M50 vs. M20 -B25 pistons The shape of the piston crown is way different between the M20 and M50. In other words, it won't work. Gary Derian --- Christian Els <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bore is the same at 84mm on these, anybody know if > the deck height > (wrist pin to crown) is close enough to allow one to > swap the newer > pistons into my old E30 motor? > > Or am I looking at bent valves straight off? > > Cheers, > > > Christian Els > Columbia, MO > 88 325 > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ________________________________________________________________________ __ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:36:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: M50 vs. M20 -B25 pistons Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The M20 is a 2 valve head. The piston crown sticks up in the right spots to form a quench against the combustion chamber, clearance for the 2 valves, and a pocket for combustion around the spark plug. The M50 has the valves, quench and plug in a different location. The M50 piston is flat or dished with a qhench producing region around the periphery. I suspect that the M20 piston would hit the M50 head and prevent the engine from turning. The piston and head should be made for each other to generate proper chamber turbulence. Gary Derian --- Paul Garnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gary, > > Could you elaborate as to the "why"? > Wouldn't a higher crown give us more compression? As > long as we don't > have valve contact, it would be a good thing.1 > > Paul A. Garnier > Systems Integration > FastNetworking > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Derian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:00 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [UUC] M50 vs. M20 -B25 pistons > > > The shape of the piston crown is way different > between > the M20 and M50. In other words, it won't work. > > Gary Derian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:10:11 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'UUCDigest'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <OT> Disturbing Roundel Picture Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Best hope that's not the case as some of these guys were instructors......... The only BMWs I've been beat down by in recent memory were other E30M3s & Mcoupes....hence my recent interest in those. I'm still waiting for Mike L. to instruct a school near me so I can try to leach off some mad skillz, then maybe my little car can victimize anything the white & blue propeller can spit out. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tejas > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 09:15 > To: 'UUCDigest' > Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> Disturbing Roundel Picture > > > Obviously there isn't a single compitent E36 or E46 M3 driver > on the track. > Cause if there is, they will spank an E30 M3. > > No less Poor Sal. > > I miss my E30 M3 but the E30 325 racecar is lots of fun. :) > > Karl > > On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:03:50 -0400 > "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > >> --- Rich Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > Oh yeah, sure, the E30 325is being driven by Scott > Miller is passing > >> > the E46 M3s.... > >> > > >> > ;-) > >> > >> Hey it could happen, maybe Sal has NOS! :-) > > > >Pffft, happens every time I take my M3 to the track...... > > > >> > >> Carlos > >> 88 325is > >> 93 325is > > > >Lee > >88 M3->dun opened a can of whoopass on every E46 (including > M3's) I've ever > >seen at any autoX or track event > >Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ______________________________________________________________ > ___________ > > Live, laugh, and chat with friends about BMWs, Porsches, > Jaguars and the new MINI > at The World's Largest Auto Enthusiast Site > http://www.roadfly.org/ > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:26:32 -0400 From: "Steve Stoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: e36M3 Air pump issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It seems the electric air pump on my 97 OBDII M# seems to be running constantly. The air pump should be controlled by a relay via the ECU as part of the ignition/emission control system. Typically on cold startup the pump will run to add oxygen to the exhaust ahead of the cat to improve emissions. Bently isn't much help. In the overview pictogram of the ignition system, there is a relay depicted, and in the drawing of the air injection system there is a solenoid, but no mention of where the relay may be or discussion of diagnosis. Any one experience this and know where the relay is or if it is even the likely culprit? I'm not getting any check engine codes. Or is this indicative of some other issue and the ECU is running the air pump to compenstate? Car seems to run fine otherwise. Any help would be appreciated. Steve Stoner, 97 M3. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:10:49 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Steve Stoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: e36M3 Air pump issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Steve Stoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems the electric air pump on my 97 OBDII M# seems to > be running constantly. The air pump should be controlled > by a relay via the ECU as part of the ignition/emission > control system. Steve, IIRC, the pump is run by the exhaust gasses, not the ECU. There is a valve on the exhaust manifold that feeds pressure to run the secondary air pump while the engine is hold. If it goes bad, it will stick open and run the pump all the time (and into the ground). A new valve is somewhere around $90 from the dealer. For what it's worth, I have a spare one sitting on the shelf (don't ask) that I will part with for 1/2 the price. > I'm not getting any check engine codes. That's weird. > Or is this indicative of some other issue and the ECU is > running the air pump to compenstate? The secondary air pump contraption serves no useful purpose other then sending extra oxygen to the cat while it's cold. HTH, alex f ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:57:06 -0500 From: "Paul Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: <E30> WTB Parts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello group, Anyone have a JC or Dinan chip they no longer need? I have not yet checked my ECU number, but it is a 93 325ic, so I'd assume the latest version, whatever that is. I'd also like to pick up a larger rear sway bar. My car has a 12mm. I believe the E30 M3 has a 14.5mm, anyone care to part with theirs? Regards, Paul Craven New-to-me 1993 325ic 5 spd 1997 M3 - sold, but there will be another someday... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:56:46 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Limited Use Insurance? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lee wrote: > My insurance policies have the number of driven miles on them. I'd say your > agent would be the best source for this info. I have my M3 as specialty use > only, which means the miles/year come out as 0 on the policy. so you have limited use insurance on the car which show you as being able to drive 0 miles per year ? what good does that do you ? I agree that one's insurance agent is the place to check. if the car is noted as the 2nd or 3rd car in the household the cost can drop significantly. > The Cooper S as fun factor to price ratio????? I'd think there's much > better deals out there. Hell, for the $25k you're going to dump on a Cooper > S (prolly more) you could any number of fun cars. don't see why an S would end up being that much. my wife's was $21,0xx and it had sport/premium pkgs. they might have raised the price tho. > WRX, stock (yes, Neil resist the urge to modify) I believe Neil's description for the Impreza RS he rode in was "sh!tty little tin box". while the current WRX is nicer, it's still nothing too exciting in terms of craftsmanship. having driven a WRX for ~10 days I was distinctly underwhelmed. I'd much rather have had the Cooper S. plus the Mini will hold it's value much, much, much better than the WRX. > Mcoupe or roadster (older cars) definitely potential here, as they're going to be cheaper than the Cooper S, but neither are all that much fun in the winter. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:06:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Limited Use Insurance? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, ben keyes wrote: > > WRX, stock (yes, Neil resist the urge to modify) > > I believe Neil's description for the Impreza RS he rode in > was "sh!tty little tin box". while the current WRX is nicer, > it's still nothing too exciting in terms of craftsmanship. > having driven a WRX for ~10 days I was distinctly > underwhelmed. A friend with a WRX found the stock configuration unacceptable for track use. It has inadequate brakes, and even poorer tires. If you're going to use a WRX for light track duty, you're going to have to modify it. As Ben points out, too, the interior leaves a lot to be desired. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:02:48 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'UUCDigest'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Limited Use Insurance? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > so you have limited use insurance on the car which show you as being > able to drive 0 miles per year ? what good does that do you ? > > I agree that one's insurance agent is the place to check. if > the car is > noted as the 2nd or 3rd car in the household the cost can drop > significantly. It's listed as a second car. Basically, the way Chubb works is to base the car on miles/day on average, not per year. Since this is basically never driven to work, the best way for my agent to represent that was by putting 0 for the average miles per day. I guess the implication is that in Atlanta, not driving a car in rush hour really drops the likely hood of a collision to nothing. I don't understand it at all either, but he tells me it's not an exact science..... > > don't see why an S would end up being that much. my wife's was > $21,0xx and it had sport/premium pkgs. they might have raised > the price tho. They're selling like hotcakes here, so EVERYONE pays over sticker. Even used cars are listing for over sticker. > > I believe Neil's description for the Impreza RS he rode in > was "sh!tty little tin box". while the current WRX is nicer, > it's still nothing too exciting in terms of craftsmanship. > having driven a WRX for ~10 days I was distinctly > underwhelmed. I'd much rather have had the Cooper S. > plus the Mini will hold it's value much, much, much > better than the WRX. I'm pretty familiar with Mr. Deshpande's draw on the WRX. I was standing right there at the North American Auto show in Detriot when he freely gave his opinion of the car. I guess this is just a differing of opinions, because I really don't care for the MINI (seem to remember Neil having an opinion about that car too.....also included the word sh!tbox). Actually, I was directing at Mr. Maller, who I've noticed has a slight penchant for wanting to modify cars a little..... You were apparently so distinctly underwhelmed you bought an STi?????? :^P > > definitely potential here, as they're going to be cheaper > than the Cooper S, but neither are all that much fun in the > winter. More fun in the winter, I say!!!! > > > Ben Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:51:48 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Engine stand recommendations Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anyone, anyone... Bueler (a bow to Scott). Anyone have a recommendation for an engine stand (for the M20). What other pieces (eg. bolts) to use/order. -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:00:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Engine stand recommendations Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The last time I had an M20 on a stand, I just used an el cheapo Chicom crap engine stand. Worked fine. The official BMW stand attaches to the side of the block, not the bellhousing end and is much nicer <grin>. Gary Derian --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Anyone, anyone... Bueler (a bow to Scott). > > Anyone have a recommendation for an engine stand > (for the M20). What other > pieces (eg. bolts) to use/order. > > -Kevin > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:29:14 -0700 From: Kurt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: tire question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm cheap. I've been running some old Bridgestone SO-3 pole positions as my track tires. Currently the tires have about 2mm of tread on them and are down to the wear bars. I would like to get a couple more track days out of them, however, I'm afraid that I'm putting myself at risk by doing so. My question is: Can a street tire be safely run until its basically a slick (assuming even wear) like you can with a Toyo RA-1 or do they need to be replaced when they reach the wear bars? Thanks, Kurt ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
