The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 506 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: <E36> Wood trim power loss with old oil vs. new Re: power loss with old oil vs. new Re: power loss with old oil vs. new Re: power loss with old oil vs. new Re: power loss with old oil vs. new Re: power loss with old oil vs. new Re: power loss with old oil vs. new Re: power loss with old oil vs. new Re: power loss with old oil vs. new E46 M3 tire wear?? Re: E46 M3 tire wear?? shameless plug - SF Bay area Re: shameless plug - SF Bay area Re: power loss with old oil vs. new
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:45:55 -0500 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> Wood trim Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, I have a light birdseye maple that was never sold in the US Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I like wood in my cars (no not that kind you pervs). Does the parts CD show >parts from German or Australian models? >There are some options for models in these areas that had wood interior >trim. > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 1/17/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:02:27 -0800 From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]> Subject: power loss with old oil vs. new Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How much difference in power is there between old, 6k mile, oil, versus new? Asking this because I'm taking 'Jack to the dyno in the morning, and don't want to penalize the results and will do a quick change tonight if needed, so if anyone's done direct testing, pls let me know. Tia, Barry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:09:16 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "JKerouac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: power loss with old oil vs. new Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It depends on the oil and what the 6k miles were like. No testing here, just guesses. Thin oil makes more power at the expense of wear. Gary Derian ----- Original Message ----- From: "JKerouac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: [UUC] power loss with old oil vs. new > How much difference in power is there between old, 6k mile, oil, versus > new? > Asking this because I'm taking 'Jack to the dyno in the morning, and don't > want to penalize the results and will do a quick change tonight if needed, > so if anyone's done direct testing, pls let me know. > Tia, > Barry > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:16:53 -0800 From: Raza Uddin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: power loss with old oil vs. new Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It depends on the oil and what the 6k miles were like. No testing here, > just guesses. Thin oil makes more power at the expense of wear. > > Gary Derian I, too, am speaking with no testing or facts, but suggest changing the oil. Considering the stress dynoing puts on cars from multiple runs, I would change the oil just for the added protection. Plus, I doubt change of the same viscosity would really net any tangible results. You are up for an oil change soon, why not just have the peace of mind of having it done before running the car hard. Just my $.02. Drive Safely, Raza ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:30:13 -0500 From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: power loss with old oil vs. new Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Considering the stress dynoing puts on cars from multiple runs, I > would change the oil just for the added protection. Plus, I doubt > change of the same viscosity would really net any tangible results. The stress shouldn't be much more than a few runs to redline in third/fourth gear that you might do on the street in a straight line, big whoop. In my opinion, you should change the oil if the oil needs to be changed during your normal routine. Regards, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:48:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: power loss with old oil vs. new Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As Rich said, the breakdown of synthetic oil in 6k normal miles is minimal. If you're worried, but cheap (I am typically a bit of both), just replace the filter and top up. The 1/2-qt. or so you'll add is enough to refresh the additive package, according to folks who have done extended changes with frequent filter changes and oil analysis. -tammer --- Rich Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Considering the stress dynoing puts on cars from > multiple runs, I > > would change the oil just for the added protection. > Plus, I doubt > > change of the same viscosity would really net any > tangible results. > > The stress shouldn't be much more than a few runs to > redline in third/fourth > gear that you might do on the street in a straight line, > big whoop. In my > opinion, you should change the oil if the oil needs to be > changed during > your normal routine. > > Regards, > > Rich > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder > of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of > the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:24:05 -0800 From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: power loss with old oil vs. new Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Seems there's no clear performance advantage either way. One suggestion, which I'm going to follow, is to stay with the current oil for the dyno tests, for a reason that is not performance based. That is credibility of the results, so if the results are good no one can argue that the results were X% skewed because I had new oil. Thx for all the replies, Barry Tammer Farid wrote: > <>As Rich said, the breakdown of synthetic oil in 6k normal > miles is minimal. If you're worried, but cheap (I am > typically a bit of both), just replace the filter and top > up. The 1/2-qt. or so you'll add is enough to refresh the > additive package, according to folks who have done extended > changes with frequent filter changes and oil analysis. > -tammer > --- Rich Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Considering the stress dynoing puts on cars from<>multiple runs, I > would change the oil just for the added protection. Plus, I > doubtchange of the same viscosity would really net any tangible > results.The stress shouldn't be much more than a few runs to > >>redline in third/fourth gear that you might do on the street in a straight >>line, >>big whoop. In my opinion, you should change the oil if the oil needs to be >>changed duringyour normal routine.Regards,Rich >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:12:37 -0800 From: Raza Uddin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: power loss with old oil vs. new Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Barry, What is your normal drain interval? I usually try not to go more than 6K miles but that is because the oil usually sees the track at least once and the autocross occasionally between drains. I use the same Mobil 1 5W30 (but am switching to 15W50 once spring hits). Maybe I'm a bit over cautious, but it isn't going to cost more money to change the oil as it has to be done eventually. You are just changing it sooner than later. Rich Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In my opinion, you should change the oil if the oil needs to be changed during > your normal routine. Dynoing your car certainly isn't a normal routine. While It isn't destructive, I think 3-4 back-to-back runs while dynoing inside causing oil temps to be higher than normal would be seen with the same usage under street conditions. The difference might be negligible, but with 6K miles on old oil, I would change it. If it were less than 5K, I wouldn't bother. My argument is simply that the oil change will be done in the future, so why not have it fresh before it goes on the dyno? I doubt anything catastrophic will happen with the old oil, but newer oil wouldn't hurt. But if I were in Barry's position, I change it now so I wouldn't have to worry about it later. Drive Safely, Raza ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:26:36 -0800 From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: power loss with old oil vs. new Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The oil is Mobil 1 5w30, mix of suburban and highway driving. The third SI light just went out. Would like to know if anyone has dynoe'ed before and after oil changes. Barry Gary Derian wrote: > It depends on the oil and what the 6k miles were like. No testing here, > just guesses. Thin oil makes more power at the expense of wear. > > Gary Derian > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "JKerouac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 12:02 AM > Subject: [UUC] power loss with old oil vs. new > > >> How much difference in power is there between old, 6k mile, oil, >> versus new? >> Asking this because I'm taking 'Jack to the dyno in the morning, and >> don't want to penalize the results and will do a quick change tonight >> if needed, so if anyone's done direct testing, pls let me know. >> Tia, >> Barry >> Search the >> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> >> __________________________________________________________________________ >> >> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW >> CCA. >> >> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >> > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > -- The box said "Requires Windows 95, or better." So I bought a Macintosh. I live with fear, death, and evil...but I used to be able to turn it off and use a Mac. " Author Unknown Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with your Microsoft product. -- Ferenc Mantfeld ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:15:07 -0500 From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[uucdigest]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: power loss with old oil vs. new Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As oil ages, it tends to thicken. The difference isn't significant usually but would depend on the oil, synthetic would change very little during 6k normal miles. I would speculate the difference would be much less than the dyno discrepancies. Regards, Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JKerouac > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 12:02 AM > To: [uucdigest] > Subject: [UUC] power loss with old oil vs. new > > > How much difference in power is there between old, 6k mile, oil, > versus new? > Asking this because I'm taking 'Jack to the dyno in the morning, and > don't want to penalize the results and will do a quick change tonight if > needed, so if anyone's done direct testing, pls let me know. > Tia, > Barry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:56:17 -0800 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: E46 M3 tire wear?? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - A friend has just placed an order for a new M3, god bless him (god bless him because he promised to let me drive it!). Any info out there on typical tire wear? How many miles can he expect to get out of his tires given normal (non-track) use? I was tactless enough to point out to him that replacement tires (he ordered the 19" wheels) would not be cheap... so now he's worried. Any experience appreciated. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:16:54 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E46 M3 tire wear?? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> just wait till he has to replace the 19" rims, the bay area roads eat those things. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] E46 M3 tire wear?? Hi all - A friend has just placed an order for a new M3, god bless him (god bless him because he promised to let me drive it!). Any info out there on typical tire wear? How many miles can he expect to get out of his tires given normal (non-track) use? I was tactless enough to point out to him that replacement tires (he ordered the 19" wheels) would not be cheap... so now he's worried. Any experience appreciated. Joe Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:26:04 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Com" <[email protected]> Subject: shameless plug - SF Bay area Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A plug for my sponsor http://www.ggcbmwcca.org/index.php?module=calendar&calendar[view]=event&id=1 8 Marco #96 M3 Dmod sponsored by RennWerks www.rennwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:32:08 -0800 From: Raza Uddin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Com" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: shameless plug - SF Bay area Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Marco Romani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A plug for my sponsor > > http://www.ggcbmwcca.org/index.php?module=calendar&calendar[view]=event&id=1 > 8 I think you meant to post this link: http://www.ggcbmwcca.org/index.php?module=calendar&calendar[view]=event&id=18 The one you posted dropped the "8" and took me to a test page. Either way, I'm going to try and make it out to meet some of the Bay Area BMW owners. Look forward to meeting you guys (and gals)! Drive Safely, Raza ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:46:58 -0800 From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: power loss with old oil vs. new Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The owner of the dyno offered me in briefly tomorrow morning, I don't want to risk wearing out my welcome. We're testing the previous dyno test of larger hfm tube with stock sensor, versus the addition of 24# injectors instead of the stock 21.5 ones. Important also is that its the same dyno as I tested the car originally with stock HFM, so it can't be argued that there is variation between different dynos, which would be a valid argument (or excuse if the results are bad(<:). My normal interval is 5k miles, with the bad weather, some trips, the usual silly excuses for not getting around to it, I'm overdue, and was going to change it over the weekend, but the offer to bring 'Jack to the dyno tomorrow came up late afternoon today. Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 01/21/2005 12:03:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Asking this because I'm taking 'Jack to the dyno in the morning, anddon't want to penalize the results and will do a quick change tonight if >> needed, so if anyone's done direct testing, pls let me know. >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Wyatt > > I really do not that there is an issue, however, why don't you do two > runs with the old oil, then jack up "Jack" and change the oil and > filter (same brand and viscosity) and run two more... > > Interesting to see if you see any differences, but I don't think that > it wil be measurable even if there are differences, as most dyno's > have less-than-perfect repeatability anyway...just my 2 cents US Tom ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
