The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 523 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: E30 radio options Re: 177hp "High performance?" Re: <E36> What is the "i" designation in 325i ? Re: Abbreviations Re: Abbreviations Re: Abbreviations Re: Abbreviations Re: E30 radio options Re: E30 radio options Re: More proof BMW drivers are bad drivers ;-) Re: <E36> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A0_What_is_the_=22i=22_designation_in_325i_=3F?= <E36> Alarm Operation Re: Abbreviations E46 into E30 does (not ? ) go ?? Re: [bmwuucdigest] E39 Engine Problem Challenge
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:52:33 -0500 From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMW List" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E30 radio options Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The problem I've had with installing aftermarket radios in BMW's is in most cases, It doesn't fit exactly in the space- flush, like the BMW unit does. I am very picky about dashboard cleanliness and how it all flows together. I hate the radio sticking out and playing with the otherwise beautiful BMW dashboards (I love them...very euro looking compared to other cars). The Nakamichi CDC's definitely look compatible as I'm sure the one you've noted below does as well...but does it fit exactly flush in the opening? I just installed a Nakamichi CDC in an old Benz and it actually did fit flush in the area. Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com > Any suggestions for a radio that doesn't look out of place in a BMW? > > Yes, I have one, though the idea came to me from Peter Wheeler. I > installed a Clarion DXZ745MP deck in my 325ic and am very pleased. The > unit can do 700 and some colors so matching the lights is not an issue > (there is also a 645 unit for a few bucks less with a few less bells and > whistles). The display keeps defaulting back to some random > flash/matrix thing, but since it is not overly bright and it mesmerizes > my son,I don't mind. It sounds good through the stock speakers and > plays MP3's. And it has a knob for the volume control. > > Regards, > Paul Craven > 93 325ic with 140 plus 80's hairband and miscellaneous tunes in the > player... > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:57:42 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected], E36M3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 177hp "High performance?" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Depends on your perspective. For a run of the mill 325i owner 177hp is about what they're packing. Ask a Civic Si or Sentra Spec-V owner & 177hp is pretty high performance.....According to MB, their 189hp C230 sedan is "fast." A lot of guy rave about the performance of tha annoying MINI Cooper S (albeit one of the better looking BMW offerings) with 163hp. Go on a 'Vette forum & any M3 has laughable hp...... An Elise only has about 10 more hp, & I'd say it's very high performance....I'd put it up against just about anything. Lee 88 M3->round about 200ish..... 01 Saab 9-3->round about 210ish..... > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Plante > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 16:15 > To: [email protected]; E36M3 > Subject: [UUC] 177hp "High performance?" > > Get that everyone? 177 HP...High performance! > > Are we spoiled? > > Marc Plante > E36M3/4 61k (Not fast enough) > Vienna, VA > > > Berlin newspapers suggested the accident numbers were so > high because > > police were insufficiently trained to drive the > 177-horsepower cars. > > Either that, or they were just bad drivers. > > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the > Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:57:42 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: BMW List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> What is the "i" designation in 325i ? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The "i" designation was originally put on the decklid to mean > just that, injection, but it is widely used today and I > believe it represents BMW performance in some general way, You know, kinda the way ///M used to mean motorsports & is now used by the ///Marketing guys to represent BMW performance....... Lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:58:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Abbreviations Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On the 2002tii, it breaks down as: 20 - 2.0 L 02 - 2 doors ti - touring international i - injected 1800ti w/ carburetor is probably "touring international" as well, a sporty version of the base car. More recently, "ti" has been appended to hatchbacks. The "i" in use today is still for "injected," as noted in other replies. "T" for touring doesn't make the badge, just as "A" for auto is left off. "C" in a badge is for "Coupe," as in the recent 330Ci and 325Ci. Also seen earlier in the CSi, CSL (Coupe Sport Licht), and 850CSi. The "C" appended to denote "cabriolet" is also not one that appears in badges. Lower case 'e', as noted, is for "eta," (yes, the Greek letter), used to denote efficiency. And until the US E36 M3, "M" meant "Motorsport," or "Multiple throttles" ... now it's for "Marketing for the Masses' Money". -tammer --- Alex Cagann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Holy cripes...you are right. I forgot all about those. > Yep, those were > neither turbocharged nor fuel injected. So what does this > mean? Hell, I > don't know. Perhaps the meaning of life is easier to > explain that the > meaning of "i". I think the new 7 and 5 series should be > called the 745ib > and 545ib after their controversial design chief. > > Alex Cagann > http://www.autoconsortium.com > > > The i has numerous meanings, with injection being only > one. Before 2002s > > BMW made an 1800ti which was not fuel injected and an > 1800tii > > which was? By > > the way, neither of them were -T- turbocharged. > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder > of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of > the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:45:45 -0800 From: donna seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Abbreviations Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 2/2/05 1:58 PM, "Tammer Farid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ><> "T" for touring doesn't make the badge, > just as "A" for auto is left off. That's too bad, or an E46 slushbox wagon could be badged as a "Taxi". (Hey, my customer with one thought it was funny!) Per Darrel Lunge, racer/autocrosser/plumber, his badge read 1800TI (capital letters) but I don't remember if that was vintage-specific or 4-dr specific. > And until the US E36 M3, "M" meant "Motorsport," or > "Multiple throttles" ... now it's for "Marketing for the > Masses' Money". > > -tammer Donna 88 M(otorsport)3 97 M(arketing)3 89 325i(nternational) 88 528e(conomy) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:08:14 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Abbreviations Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On the early cars (1600, 1800, 2000, 2002), T meant Touring, even though it was a 2 door or 4 door sedan; one I (or i) meant International; the second I (or i), as in Tii, meant injected. 1800Ti or 1800TI = Touring International 2002Tii or 2002TII = Touring International injected I'm still not clear when the i should be I (upper case) or i (lower case) on the earlier cars, but it did make a difference. To someone. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:36:38 -0500 >From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "BMW List" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Abbreviations >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Holy cripes...you are right. I forgot all about those. Yep, those were >neither turbocharged nor fuel injected. So what does this mean?� Hell, I >don't know. Perhaps the meaning of life is easier to explain that the >meaning of "i". I think the new 7 and 5 series should be called the 745ib >and 545ib after their controversial design chief. > >Alex Cagann >http://www.autoconsortium.com > >> The i has numerous meanings, with injection being only one.� Before 2002s >> BMW made an 1800ti which was not fuel injected and an 1800tii >> which was?� By >> the way, neither of them were -T- turbocharged. >> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:03:27 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Abbreviations Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In the old days (not really so long ago), the double i's stood , one for injected and one for international. Eg. 2002tii. Hey that came up from the deapest darkest vaults , even deeper than div,grad, curl. -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:59:20 -0600 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E30 radio options Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Who cares :-) ? I would go for: Plays MP3s with MP3 tag support Unlimited MP3 tracks per disc Front mounted aux input for ipod, XM sat radio, or whatever "enough" power I picked up some cheap ones and put in my wife's car, the pickup, and the snow day car. I think I paid around $120 for each, but didn't get tag or unlimited file count support on all of them. Dennis At 03:36 PM 02/02/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Any suggestions for a radio that doesn't look out of place in a BMW? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:12:08 -0600 From: Peter Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E30 radio options Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> More radio ideas from me: I just purchased an Alpine 9835 for myself, great unit (needed something loaded with useful features - like time delay and 3 way capability, not swimming dolphins). Some Alpines now too offer the ability to change ALL onboard lighting to amber or a variant similar. The Clarion units dxz645, 745, and 845mc are all to be replaced by their 55 counterparts this year, so look for mighty cheap b-stock and NOS on FleaBay (ebay). Sorry I couldn't get Paul a unit for anywhere near what they go for on ebay (and im a clarion dealer) Used to retail Nakamichi years back, before and during the bankruptcy/restructure NakUsa nonsense, fantastic units that can be a little too sensitive for normal consumer use (MB75 for example usually always has to be installed by a professional to keep the chassis from twisting) Support went into the can at about that time and they weren't worth the trouble for me to sell and support. The CD400 is pretty, and nice and plain too I must admit - but the CD500, which is the MP3 capable unit, never came out. Becker is establishing a partial US presence. Helpful lot there, and the units are nice and clean (porsche/mercedes stock units). I often see an ad in the Roundel for a shop that sells them (the Monza 7882 or 7886 is the unit I would recommend), but I can give you the number for the national office if you want to buy direct. Nothing really amber, the 82 is a black and white piece, while the 86 is yellow verging on orange - "bright amber". Don't discount the plug and play (e36, 92+ e34, 92+ e32) CD43 unit either. It's the Business RDS (and PTY for that matter) unit that came on those fortunate '00 & '01 z3, mz3, z coupe, and mz coupe cars. They can always be found somewhere for sale (I just sold mine to get the alpine), control your factory 96+ changer, and on average run 375-450 shipped. Can't get more stock looking than stock. If you just want mp3 capability, alpine makes a changer that plays mp3 discs, and there are a few brain box manufacturers that make interfaces that allow that unit to be controlled through your stock deck. And the changer is the same size as a stock E36/E39 changer (regular alpine 6 disc chassis) It's all opinion based. Check out and support your local shops. Find something you like. Find someone you trust to install it. Make sure it's what you want, car stereo has almost no resale value. Just informing of other stuff out there that may not be mainstream. Peter On Feb 2, 2005, at 3:36 PM, Paul Craven wrote: Any suggestions for a radio that doesn't look out of place in a BMW? Yes, I have one, though the idea came to me from Peter Wheeler. I installed a Clarion DXZ745MP deck in my 325ic and am very pleased. The unit can do 700 and some colors so matching the lights is not an issue (there is also a 645 unit for a few bucks less with a few less bells and whistles). The display keeps defaulting back to some random flash/matrix thing, but since it is not overly bright and it mesmerizes my son,I don't mind. It sounds good through the stock speakers and plays MP3's. And it has a knob for the volume control. Regards, Paul Craven 93 325ic with 140 plus 80's hairband and miscellaneous tunes in the player... Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:29:17 -0500 From: Joel Gallun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: More proof BMW drivers are bad drivers ;-) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dennis Wynne wrote: > LEOs in the US had a lot of accidents when they started getting the > new (at the time) baby whale Chevy Caprice cop cars. Most had no > experience with ABS and either didn't know how to use it properly > and/or thought ABS could suspend or bend the laws of physics. I have some experience with the various popular cop cars from the BSR security school at Summit Point. I'm not disputing what you said, but IMO the baby whales dont handle as well as the older caprices ("boxsters" in BSR lingo) either. I could see where that coupled with what you said could have resulted in a lot of crunched shamus. BSR has installed a switch on the dash to disable ABS on the whales for teaching purposes. Re cop driving in general: most of them aren't very good. As far as I can tell most local cop shops dont have the bucks to send all their officers to something like the BSR security driving school. Typical case is they send a couple of guys thru and then make them "instructors" when they get back home. The feds keep the BSR school in business. Cops (local and state) are a pretty small percentage of the students. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:56:58 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E36> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A0_What_is_the_=22i=22_designation_in_325i_=3F?= Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've taken the liberty of adding alternate definitions that are used on some BMW models, see below. Also, ///M, which stands for either Motorsport or Poseur, depending on who put it on the car. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "BMW List" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: <E36>� What is the "i" designation in 325i ? >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <snip> > >x-all wheel drive >e-economy >s-sport <<<--- Also means 2 door coupe, like E30 318is, E36 318is, 323is, 325is, 328is - optional sport package was available separately >t-touring <<<--- Which means either hatchback or station wagon, depending. >L-long wheel base <<<--- Also Lightweight and Luxury >c-coupe <<<--- Also convertible >a-automatic > >I've never seen the A put on a decklid before, though. > >Alex Cagann ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:32:37 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: <E36> Alarm Operation Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I should have thought of this before.... a colleage here at work has a '97 M3 with the stock Alarm system. With the assumption that the system will operate the same in a '99 I measured across the siren connector with the system inactive. It showed zero (0V) volts. With the system activated (boy those sirens are loud with your ear about 2 feet away) 11 volts came across the connector. So there's something wrong in my system which I can now scope out more narrowly. -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:57:13 -0500 From: Phil Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Abbreviations Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There was no 1800tii, there was a 2000tii 1800ti = "Touring International" (dual side-draft carbs) 1800TI/SA= "Touring International/Special Equipment or Sport Version" depending on whom you believe either Sonderausstattung or Sportausf�rung. 2000/2002tii = "Touring International Injected" 3.3 Li = "Long wheelbase Injected" 320i = injected L7 = model designation for US only for excessive luxury interior appointments L6 = US model only, for luxury automatic-only 635Csi model 325e = ETA engine (Greek for "efficiency) Starting mid-E30 3 Series the designations got a bit iffy with 325, 325i (luxury 4dr), 325is. "is" in an E30 meant "sport" and in an E36 it simply meant two-door. -Phil At 1:36 PM -0800 2/2/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:36:38 -0500 >From: "Alex Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "BMW List" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Abbreviations >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Holy cripes...you are right. I forgot all about those. Yep, those were >neither turbocharged nor fuel injected. So what does this mean? Hell, I >don't know. Perhaps the meaning of life is easier to explain that the >meaning of "i". I think the new 7 and 5 series should be called the 745ib >and 545ib after their controversial design chief. > >Alex Cagann >http://www.autoconsortium.com > >> The i has numerous meanings, with injection being only one. Before 2002s >> BMW made an 1800ti which was not fuel injected and an 1800tii >> which was? By >> the way, neither of them were -T- turbocharged. >> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:30:28 -0600 From: "BMWBits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Uucdigest" <[email protected]> Subject: E46 into E30 does (not ? ) go ?? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does anyone know if seats from an E46 2-door will fit into a 2-door E30 without too much butchery ?? -or have a good source for some cheap E30 2-door seats ..or something from another car (Toyonzuki ?) that works ?? Don�t need to be fancy , just firm for my ample ample cheeks. This 88 325IX I got cheap last week has 'terminal' leather seats -they look like they held a dog-fight in the past -that indicate to my inexperienced upholsterers eye that they'll be waay to spendiferous to rebuild for what seems like it's gonna become my 'farm-car' . A rubber chair-cushion with a feedbag on top is the current 'deluxe' option for the driver , the 'custom' option on passenger side could be a sheet of cured fiberglass replete with a feather-pillow. A cheap ugly set of race-car (wide -butt !!) seats might work ...non-racespec compliant , no seatbelt holes needed etc ...fiberglass shells?? Low-seatback ?? Anyone got some fer cheap ?? ..remember -the car was cheap !!so it aint gonna get high-$$ seats . OFF Digest replies please to save buttwidth ... Bill Proud in Tenn . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:00:40 -0600 From: "Dave Swingle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [bmwuucdigest] E39 Engine Problem Challenge Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wow - thanks! D'oh - I guess now I have a spare coil. Anyway - this all makes a lot of sense. I found that when it starts like this (it's only happened a couple of times) that if I turn it off and wait a few minutes it clears. The first time it happened I tired a couple of quick restarts, no help, and it cleared while driving after about 20 miles of running on 5 cylinders. Does the "rattly VANOS" noise that this thing makes on a cold start have anything to do with a leaky lifter? It's been doing that a long time. Dave S Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:26:39 -0500 From: "KMS- Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Your pre-cat O2 sensors are not functioning when cold, so they can't be the >problem. The post O2 sensors should be good for the life of the vehicle, >barring manufacturing defects. > >Replacing coil and spark plug connector was unnecessary, you should have >swapped them with another cylinder. Had you done that, and the fault moved >to the new cylinder, you'd have known you had a problem with one of these >components. > >The fact that you still have the problem on the same cylinder implies a >lifter issue. One, or all, of the lifters on that cylinder may be bleeding >down, causing a cold misfire. > >FWIW, when the system detects misfire, it turns off the fuel injector. It's >likely that you don't even notice the original misfire, but once the >injector is shut off, it becomes very apparent. > >Brett Anderson >KMS > -----Original Message----- > I've been chasing this for a few days and I'm running out of ideas. > > 97 E39 528i, 126K miles. Occasionally starts and runs rough, throws check > engine light code for "misfire detected cyl 3" which is exactly what it > feels like. The problem will clear itself (not the light) after > it warms up ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
