The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 769 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: BMW Certified Question Re: BMW Certified Question Re: BMW Certified Question Re: BMW Certified Question Re: BMW Certified Question Re: BMW Certified Question BMW Independent Repair on the SF Peninsula Re: BMW Independent Repair on the SF Peninsula Re: BMW Independent Repair on the SF Peninsula Re: BMW Independent Repair on the SF Peninsula Re: BMW Independent Repair on the SF Peninsula Re: BMW Independent Repair on the SF Peninsula questions about 525i and problems it might have down the road. Re: Feedback: E36 Trans Removal Re: E36 Trans Removal
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:46:10 -0700 From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMW BMW BMW BMW" <[email protected]> Subject: BMW Certified Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A friend of mine that lives in Burlingame bought a "BMW Certified" BMW with 25,000 miles a few months ago. He took it in for a 5,000 mile check up and got some bad news and sent me the e-mail below. I don't know much about the BMW Certified program, can I find any info on the web? Kevin Kelly, BMW CCA 50039 Kevin, I have some questions regarding Michele's new (used) "BMW Certified 325i" with 20k miles at purchase time. now 25k miles. We took it in for service and they said it needs new brakes (including rotors I'm assuming because the cost is $450), new belts and hoses, and the wheel bolt locks need to be broken off since we were never given the key when the other dealership sold us the car. How would I find the specs that the car must meet to be "certified"? Would the brakes have to have at least say 50% life remaining? Would the belts and hoses be good for more than 5k miles? Would they not be required to give us the key to the wheels? I know they had the key since they replaced all four tires right before we brought it home. I am really annoyed.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:20:21 -0700 From: donna seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: BMW Certified Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kevin, BMW USA has the checklist on their site (Google "bmw cpo checklist"): <http://www.bmwusa.com/NR/rdonlyres/643287B8-88E6-4622-B82D-5C4DF760BD12/0/c pocklst.pdf> The completed checklist should be in the car's folder service folder. Is it the dealership the did the cert that is now telling him he needs these repairs? Donna On 8/10/05 6:46 AM, "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A friend of mine that lives in Burlingame bought a "BMW Certified" BMW with > 25,000 miles a few months ago. He took it in for a 5,000 mile check up and > got some bad news and sent me the e-mail below. I don't know much about the > BMW Certified program, can I find any info on the web? > Kevin Kelly, BMW CCA 50039 > > Kevin, I have some questions regarding Michele's new (used) "BMW Certified > 325i" with 20k miles at purchase time. now 25k miles. We took it in for > service and they said it needs new brakes (including rotors I'm assuming > because the cost is $450), new belts and hoses, and the wheel bolt locks > need to be broken off since we were never given the key when the other > dealership sold us the car. How would I find the specs that the car must > meet to be "certified"? Would the brakes have to have at least say 50% life > remaining? Would the belts and hoses be good for more than 5k miles? Would > they not be required to give us the key to the wheels? I know they had the > key since they replaced all four tires right before we brought it home. I am > really annoyed.... > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:23:13 -0500 From: Jamie Howton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Kevin Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: BMW BMW BMW BMW <[email protected]> Subject: Re: BMW Certified Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Depending upon what year the car is, it may be still covered by the new car warranty or possibly the maintenance program. All of the items (except the wheel locks) are covered byt the maintenenace program, none of them are covered by the new car warranty or the CPO warranty. See the following: http://tinyurl.com/dfphc. CPO covers manufacturing defects in most of the car. It doesn't cover maintenance items such as belts, hoses, sprakplugs etc. Nor does it cover wear items such as brake pads and rotors or clutches. My M5 is CPO'd, so far I have had the following work done that was covered: Replace rear main crankshaft seal Replace rear cupholder Replace both front brake calipers, bleed brakes. Replace both MAFS, re-flash software. As far as the Wheel locks, they were not an OE item and are not covered (They might have been sold as an aftermarket item by the original dealer but that is a dealer installed part and is not covered by BMWs warranty). Whether or not the original dealer was able to get them off is not material, this one needs to be able to and if they don't have a key and you can't supply one, they need to get them off somehow. The selling dealer would only be _required_ to provide a wheel lock key if you required it at the time of purchase. -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:32:42 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: BMW Certified Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> when we looked at getting our E39 540 "certified" when we bought out the lease they wanted about $2K for the certification because they said all the rotors and pads needed to be replaced since they didn't meet the CPO qualifications (brake part costs and certification $$ =$2k) For us it wasn't worth it since 1) I do most work on the car myself 2) $2k buys me a lot of parts 3) stuff I can't do I have RennWerks do as part of my sponsorship deal for the racecar anyway - my experience implies that the brakes shouldn't need replaced after 5k miles Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Kelly Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 6:46 AM To: BMW BMW BMW BMW Subject: [UUC] BMW Certified Question A friend of mine that lives in Burlingame bought a "BMW Certified" BMW with 25,000 miles a few months ago. He took it in for a 5,000 mile check up and got some bad news and sent me the e-mail below. I don't know much about the BMW Certified program, can I find any info on the web? Kevin Kelly, BMW CCA 50039 Kevin, I have some questions regarding Michele's new (used) "BMW Certified 325i" with 20k miles at purchase time. now 25k miles. We took it in for service and they said it needs new brakes (including rotors I'm assuming because the cost is $450), new belts and hoses, and the wheel bolt locks need to be broken off since we were never given the key when the other dealership sold us the car. How would I find the specs that the car must meet to be "certified"? Would the brakes have to have at least say 50% life remaining? Would the belts and hoses be good for more than 5k miles? Would they not be required to give us the key to the wheels? I know they had the key since they replaced all four tires right before we brought it home. I am really annoyed.... Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:14:38 -0500 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BMW Certified Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The BMW CPO program seems to be only as good as the BMW dealer doing the checklist. Seems like the number one thing folks write into Roundel to complain about. If it really does need all that stuff within 5k miles then the selling dealer clearly did not do a good job checking over the car. As others have said: Is the car still under full factory warranty? Did your friend go back to the selling dealer? Tried taking it to another BMW dealer? Is this really a CPO car ? Get the VIN and we can check in-service and check to make sure it is a CPO car. Dennis At 06:46 AM 08/10/2005 -0700, Kevin Kelly wrote: >A friend of mine that lives in Burlingame bought a "BMW Certified" BMW >with 25,000 miles a few months ago. He took it in for a 5,000 mile check >up and got some bad news and sent me the e-mail below. I don't know much >about the BMW Certified program, can I find any info on the web? >Kevin Kelly, BMW CCA 50039 > >Kevin, I have some questions regarding Michele's new (used) "BMW Certified >325i" with 20k miles at purchase time. now 25k miles. We took it in for >service and they said it needs new brakes (including rotors I'm assuming >because the cost is $450), new belts and hoses, and the wheel bolt locks >need to be broken off since we were never given the key when the other >dealership sold us the car. How would I find the specs that the car must >meet to be "certified"? Would the brakes have to have at least say 50% >life remaining? Would the belts and hoses be good for more than 5k miles? >Would they not be required to give us the key to the wheels? I know they >had the key since they replaced all four tires right before we brought it >home. I am really annoyed.... > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:00:46 -0700 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMW BMW BMW BMW" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: BMW Certified Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:46 AM 8/10/2005, Kevin Kelly wrote: Unfortunately, it sounds like your friend is the victim of the sometimes overzealous use of the "Certified" tag. I don't know if this is endemic to BMW, or is an industry-wide problem, but it's not uncommon for grossly underqualified cars to get shoved through the CPO "process" only for the new owner to discover later that the car got little more than a wash and vacuum. For example, unless the car is tracked or auto-x'd heavily, a NEW set of OE brakes on a E46 325 should last at least 20k miles, even when used heavily. I've seen examples last up to 50k, with 25-35k being the average. And depending on the dealer, that $450 might only cover pads. $1000 pad/rotor jobs at dealers are not unheard of. I'm not sure of the Free Maintenance is transferable or not, which would cover brakes (in theory). I've never heard of belts and hoses needing replacement on a E46 under 75k miles. In fact, I don't know anyone who's replaced hoses, even on '99s with well over 100k. What I HAVE noticed is that BMW dealers as of late have become extremely stingy in covering services on their dime, but when it comes to the customer forking over the cost, they will insist that everything is broken. Personally, I'm glad my E46 is now out of warranty, so I no longer have any incentive nor under any obligation to visit the increasingly incompetent dealer network. >A friend of mine that lives in Burlingame bought a "BMW Certified" >BMW with 25,000 miles a few months ago. He took it in for a 5,000 >mile check up and got some bad news and sent me the e-mail below. I >don't know much about the BMW Certified program, can I find any info >on the web? >Kevin Kelly, BMW CCA 50039 > >Kevin, I have some questions regarding Michele's new (used) "BMW >Certified 325i" with 20k miles at purchase time. now 25k miles. We >took it in for service and they said it needs new brakes (including >rotors I'm assuming because the cost is $450), new belts and hoses, >and the wheel bolt locks need to be broken off since we were never >given the key when the other dealership sold us the car. How would I >find the specs that the car must meet to be "certified"? Would the >brakes have to have at least say 50% life remaining? Would the belts >and hoses be good for more than 5k miles? Would they not be required >to give us the key to the wheels? I know they had the key since they >replaced all four tires right before we brought it home. I am really >annoyed.... > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:17:30 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Kevin Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: BMW Independent Repair on the SF Peninsula Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On a related note my friend with the BMW Certified issues is asking about a good Independent BMW repair shop on the San Francisco Peninsula. Years ago a lot of people likes M Performance in Burlingame. Any idea if they are still around and doign good work? Kevin Kelly BMW CCA 50039 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:05:28 -0700 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: BMW Independent Repair on the SF Peninsula Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Don't have experience with M Performance. However, if further south is more convenient, A&E Performance in Campbell is a reliable shop. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: [UUC] BMW Independent Repair on the SF Peninsula > > On a related note my friend with the BMW Certified issues is asking about > a good Independent BMW repair shop on the San Francisco Peninsula. > > Years ago a lot of people likes M Performance in Burlingame. Any idea if > they are still around and doign good work? > > Kevin Kelly > BMW CCA 50039 > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:17:55 -0700 From: Raza Uddin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: BMW Independent Repair on the SF Peninsula Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The previous owner of my old Dinan 3 used to take the car to M Performance. From a technical standpoint, they were okay as everything seemed to get done correctly. However, it is a drive from the SF Bay Area, especially when they are better shops that are much closer. I settled on Bavarian Professionals in Berkeley and have been rather satisfied. They are very nice people and, most importantly, are very knowledgeable. Another good recommendation in the SF Bay Area is Bill Arnold BMW Repair in San Rafael. Drive Safely, Raza ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:48:24 -0700 From: test <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Raza Uddin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: BMW Independent Repair on the SF Peninsula Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Phaedrus, in San Francisco, is an excellent shop. I've been going there for 25 years. Michael On Aug 10, 2005, at 11:17 AM, Raza Uddin wrote: > The previous owner of my old Dinan 3 used to take the car to M > Performance. From a technical standpoint, they were okay as > everything seemed to get done correctly. However, it is a drive from > the SF Bay Area, especially when they are better shops that are much > closer. > > I settled on Bavarian Professionals in Berkeley and have been rather > satisfied. They are very nice people and, most importantly, are very > knowledgeable. Another good recommendation in the SF Bay Area is Bill > Arnold BMW Repair in San Rafael. > > Drive Safely, > Raza > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > ___ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW > CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:18:49 -0700 From: "Paul M. Moriarty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: BMW Independent Repair on the SF Peninsula Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Don't have experience with M Performance. However, if further south is > more convenient, A&E Performance in Campbell is a reliable shop. A second recommendation for A&E, though my first preference has been and will remain Dinan. - Paul - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:36:49 -0700 From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: BMW Independent Repair on the SF Peninsula Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sounds like a hungry mechanic and service advisor fishing for work. Belts and hoses at 25k miles? At 60k, when I had the head off I replaced the belts and hoses, though they would last many more miles than that. With the new radiator at 115k, the current belt and hoses show no swelling and the belt ridges have no cracks so I left them in. Have they given rotor and pad thickness measurements? On a street car when the wear sensor comes on there's still plenty of pad material left. You could also take the car to a AAA diagnostic center. If you're being sold work that is not necessary then file a complaint with the CA Bureau of Automotive Repair. This can be done online on their website at: http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/stdPage.asp?Body=/geninfo/otherinfo/Regarding_Complaints.htm Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Don't have experience with M Performance. However, if further south > is more convenient, A&E Performance in Campbell is a reliable shop.Joe > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Kelly" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:17 AM > Subject: [UUC] BMW Independent Repair on the SF Peninsula > >> On a related note my friend with the BMW Certified issues is asking >> about a good Independent BMW repair shop on the San Francisco Peninsula. >> Years ago a lot of people likes M Performance in Burlingame. Any >> idea if they are still around and doign good work? >> Kevin Kelly >> BMW CCA 50039 >> Search the >> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:17:52 -0700 From: "Ben Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: questions about 525i and problems it might have down the road. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sandiego.craigslist.org/car/89903376.html Hey I saw this listing yesterday about a 1992 525i for sale and would like to hear from some people just how good a car this is. I know that the auto trans used in the E-36 325i is not the greatest and wanted to know if this car has the same trans. Does this car use the same GM trans? How many miles can someone expect to get out of this trans? Anything thing past or present owners can tell me about owning a '92ish 525i would be great. I told a friend a friend about the car and I just want to make sure I can instruct her wisely. Did this car suffer from the same plastic impeller problem that the 325i had? Isn't it the same motor as was in my '95 325i? thanks, ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:20:56 -0700 From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Steve & Barb Conner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] Subject: Re: Feedback: E36 Trans Removal Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Include the throwout fork and driveshaft guibo, possibly clutch slave cylinder, in the list of items to replace while you're in there. Barry Steve & Barb Conner wrote: > Marco, Jim, Jon and List, > Thanks for the feedback. I finally got the thing off last night. The > Pelican link is awesome! That is the best writeup on the net for that > procedure. Believe it or not, I had all the bolts out. There were > only 10, including the little 6 mm (10 mm head) holding the cover in > place. Yesterday, while contemplating what I could have missed, I > studied ETK and got some reassurance that I had found all the bolts. > I guess it might have been a bit hung up on the starter or locator > pins somewhere. And to answer one of your questions, no, I don't have > a lift! Rats. > Any quick feedback on what to replace while I am in there. The big > question in my mind is the flywheel on the engine. It appears > standard to replace the clutch, the pressure plate, all the seals, > bearings, etc. Can the flywheel be resurfaced? Should I rebuild the > shifter with OEM parts? This is my wife's car, so I can't imagine > spending big money on a short shift kit. I would appreciate any > comments you guys might have. Thanks. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:32:10 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E36 Trans Removal Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve, We just added a UUC Short Shift to my son's E36 and he's loving it. I believe you can also source from Rod just the upgrade bushings and the bearing. -Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
