it just seems to me that mentality might be a better term to use then consciousness...
this is a notoriously difficult problem.... On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Stephen Paul King <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi B, > > Speaking only for myself, I do believe that consciousness is causally > effective, in the sense that if it did not exist then certain other features > of the world would not exist and that my belief that I (an indicator for > inner subjective experience of “being in the world”) is not just an > illusion. > Is this belief justified? Hard to say, but so far I have not found > that the materialist, physicalist, etc. have successfully given me > unassailable reasons to believe that by experience of “being in the world” > is just some kind of nonsense that we lie to ourselves about., pace Dennett, > Churchland, etc. > I supposed that I might be considered a dualist, but unlike Descartes, > I argue against the notion of substance as an ontological primitive; instead > it is proposed that all properties emerge from process ala Bergson and > Heraclitus. I see mind and body as a specific instantiations of the Stone > duality and the relation between them is an isomorphism. There is no “causal > link” between the two, in the Humean sense, needed. For an elaboration of > this view see: http://boole.stanford.edu/pub/ratmech.pdf > AFAIK, Bruno adheres to an Idealist version of Platonism. We welcome > your thoughts and comments. > > Onward! > > Stephen > > > *From:* B Soroud <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2011 3:25 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: consciousness > furthermore you seem to conceive of a consciousness apart from its > properties... you are making the erroneous distinction of attribute and > essence.... you sound much like Descartes. > > On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 12:24 PM, B Soroud <[email protected]> wrote: > >> "A property of consciousness is" >> >> it sounds like you are reifying "consciousness"... consciousness is not a >> thing in itself, consciousness does not exist in and of itself... it can >> only be understood within the interdependent and complex framework of >> sensation, bodies, space.... consciousness of something, in and through >> something.... inseparable from the system of space, energy, matter and >> motion... and essential equal to it.... not something seperate and distinct >> from it that can exist independently of it.... >> >> consciousness is not something that exists in itself.... consciousness is >> always embodied consciousness of life.... in and through life and the >> complex instrument of form and the mystery of sensation and generation. >> Consciousness is a phenomena of the "body" and its natural system... and is >> equal to that "body" and "body system". >> >> it sounds like you guys are reifing consciousness.... >> >> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Pzomby <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jul 1, 4:23 am, selva kumar <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Is consciousness causally effective ? >>> > >>> >>> In my opinion, yes, if in simple terms, it is logically correct to >>> state: A property of consciousness is….the capacity and ability of >>> individual human consciousness to create intentionally desired >>> physical and mental effects. >>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
