furthermore you seem to conceive of a consciousness apart from its
properties... you are making the erroneous distinction of attribute and
essence.... you sound much like Descartes.

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 12:24 PM, B Soroud <bsor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "A property of consciousness is"
>
> it sounds like you are reifying "consciousness"... consciousness is not a
> thing in itself, consciousness does not exist in and of itself... it can
> only be understood within the interdependent and complex framework of
> sensation, bodies, space.... consciousness of something, in and through
> something.... inseparable from the system of space, energy, matter and
> motion... and essential equal to it.... not something seperate and distinct
> from it that can exist independently of it....
>
> consciousness is not something that exists in itself.... consciousness is
> always embodied consciousness of life.... in and through life and the
> complex instrument of form and the mystery of sensation and generation.
> Consciousness is a phenomena of the "body" and its natural system... and is
> equal to that "body" and "body system".
>
> it sounds like you guys are reifing consciousness....
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Pzomby <htra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 1, 4:23 am, selva kumar <selvakr1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Is consciousness causally effective ?
>> >
>>
>> In my opinion, yes, if in simple terms, it is logically correct to
>> state:  A property of consciousness is….the capacity and ability of
>> individual human consciousness to create intentionally desired
>> physical and mental effects.
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