Hi Bruno Marchal
1) For wine-tasting -- What one must have is knowing that one knows that the
wine tastes good.
Such as one can prove that 1+1 =2 but one still has to accept that as true.
2) mo穘ad (mnd)
n.
1. Philosophy An indivisible, impenetrable unit of substance viewed as the
basic constituent element of physical reality in the metaphysics of Leibniz.
Substance: A being that subsists by itself; a separate or distinct thing.
Contingent truth: A truth whose opposite is possible
Entelechy: Something having in it "a certain perfection", a completeness- a
term taken from Aristotle's definition of the soul
Appetition: The internal principle which prepares for change; rudimentary
"desire".
Monad: The simple substance. Blind and passive by itself, but obtains its
perceptions
from God who also can animate it and cause it to feel.
Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
8/17/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything
could function."
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On 16 Aug 2012, at 16:21, Roger wrote:
BRUNO: I meant that some fixed hardware computer can emulate a virtual
self-modifying version of itself, so that your point is not valid.
ROGER: What point ? And emulate in what sense ? Ie could a computer ever be a
good wine taster ?
As I said, it seems they are. the french have succeeded in making a wine
testing machine which according to experts in the field is better than the
average qualified wine tester.
Does such machine get the human qualia of drinking wine. i doubt so, for this
you need to have a longer human history, and higher reflexive abilities. But
there is no reason why machine could'n get them in principle (obvious for a
computationalist which bet that he is himself a machine relatively to its more
probable neighborhood).
BRUNO: If not you introduce a notion of living matter leading to an infinite
regression.
ROGER: Infinite regression of what ? Consciousness ? The monad does away with
that problem,
except of course it's just philosophy, not hardware.
It might be math, also. Could you explain what a monad is without too much
jargon?
BRUNO: It might have a solution, but it begs the question of comp/non-comp, and
you are just saying
(without arguing) that machines cannot think, and that souls are substantial
actual infinities.
ROGER: I think I said and believe what you said I said, but I don't understand
your main point
just above, even vaguely. At any rate, emulation is not the real thing.
If the brain is a universal emulator, as it surely is at least, then when a
computer emulates an emulation done by the brain, at the right level, emulation
is the real thing.
Bruno
Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
8/16/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything
could function."
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Time: 2012-08-15, 03:53:59
Subject: Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to
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On 14 Aug 2012, at 17:47, Roger wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
You say, "a non living computer can supported a living self-developing life
form"
Do you mean support instead of supported ? Or what do you mean ?
I mean "support". Sorry.
I meant that some fixed hardware computer can emulate a virtual self-modifying
version of itself, so that your point is not valid.
If not you introduce a notion of living matter leading to an infinite
regression. It might have a solution, but it beg the question of comp/non-comp,
and you are just saying (without arguing) that machines cannot think, and that
souls are substantial actual infinities.
Bruno
Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
8/14/2012
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inAIordescribing life
On 11 Aug 2012, at 13:07, Roger wrote:
Hi Russell Standish
When I "gave in" to the AI point of view that computers can posess intelligence,
I had overlooked the world of experience, which is not quantitative. Only
living things can experience the world.
You are right. But a non living computer can supported a living self-developing
life form, unless you postulate that infinitely complex substances are at play
in the mind.
Bruno
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