On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:55:35 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>  On 8/30/2012 6:35 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:16:14 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: 
>> Hi Craig,
>>     Umm, ever hear of the concept of "Heaven"? It sounds very much like a 
>> "a future society with a perfect anything or that morals were unnecessary".
> Sure, but when does the Left Wing ever talk about Heaven?
> Craig 
> Hi Craig,
>     Umm, the Marxists have an analogue... " 
> classless<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_society>, 
> moneyless, and stateless <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_society> 
> social 
> order <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_order> 
> structured<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure>
>  upon common ownership <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ownership> of 
> the means of production <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production>, 
> as well as a social <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social>, 
> political<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political>
>  and economic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy> ideology that aims 
> at the establishment of this social order".

When does the Left Wing ever talk about Marxism? Does Dennis Kucinich talk 
about a stateless social order? Even self described socialists like Bernie 
Sanders or activists like Michael Moore don't say "we must get rid of money 
and class!". All I have ever heard from progressives is "We should pay 
teachers more and useless businessmen less." and "We should stop paying 
private contractors so much to imprison more and more people on meaningless 
drug charges". I have hung out with many anarchists, feminists, hippies, 
and rabid left wing ideologues socially throughout my life and have never - 
ever - heard anyone mention communism or Marxism in any kind of political 
context at all. Most of what I know about Marxism has come from 
Libertarians and Republicans holding up its ghost in effigy.


> Onward!
> Stephen
> http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html

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