On Friday, August 31, 2012 4:14:37 AM UTC-4, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2012/8/31 Craig Weinberg <[email protected] <javascript:>> > >> >> >> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:55:35 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: >>> >>> On 8/30/2012 6:35 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:16:14 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Craig, >>>> >>>> Umm, ever hear of the concept of "Heaven"? It sounds very much like >>>> a "a future society with a perfect anything or that morals were >>>> unnecessary". >>>> >>> >>> Sure, but when does the Left Wing ever talk about Heaven? >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> Hi Craig, >>> >>> Umm, the Marxists have an analogue... " >>> classless<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_society>, >>> moneyless, and stateless<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_society> >>> social order <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_order> >>> structured<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure> >>> upon common ownership <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ownership> of >>> the means of production<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production>, >>> as well as a social <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social>, >>> political<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political> >>> and econom**ic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy> ideology that >>> aims at the establishment of this social order". >>> >> >> When does the Left Wing ever talk about Marxism? Does Dennis Kucinich >> talk about a stateless social order? Even self described socialists like >> Bernie Sanders or activists like Michael Moore don't say "we must get rid >> of money and class!". All I have ever heard from progressives is "We should >> pay teachers more and useless businessmen less." and "We should stop paying >> private contractors so much to imprison more and more people on meaningless >> drug charges". I have hung out with many anarchists, feminists, hippies, >> and rabid left wing ideologues socially throughout my life and have never - >> ever - heard anyone mention communism or Marxism in any kind of political >> context at all. Most of what I know about Marxism has come from >> Libertarians and Republicans holding up its ghost in effigy. >> > > Well you're not living in the right country then... And an anarchist who > would not talk about about a classless goal... well cannot be an > "anarchist" which means "without hierarchy/authority" not without rules, > that is anomie. >
What does where I live have to do with anything? Are you saying that only people who want to see the US paved over and sold to WalMart are real Americans? When I say that people I have known are anarchists I mean that they have anarchic sympathies - not that they advocate a permanent realization of total anarchy. Craig > Quentin > > >> >> Craig >> >> >> -- >>> Onward! >>> >>> Stephen >>> http://webpages.charter.net/**stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html >>> <http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/-We2MSfPkrkJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] <javascript:>. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/uL-e1u4uJA8J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
