On Friday, August 31, 2012 4:14:37 AM UTC-4, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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> 2012/8/31 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
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>> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:55:35 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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>>>  On 8/30/2012 6:35 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>>> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:16:14 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: 
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>>>> Hi Craig,
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>>>>     Umm, ever hear of the concept of "Heaven"? It sounds very much like 
>>>> a "a future society with a perfect anything or that morals were 
>>>> unnecessary".
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>>> Sure, but when does the Left Wing ever talk about Heaven?
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>>> Craig 
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>>> Hi Craig,
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>>>     Umm, the Marxists have an analogue... " 
>>> classless<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_society>, 
>>> moneyless, and stateless<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_society>
>>>  social order <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_order> 
>>> structured<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure>
>>>  upon common ownership <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ownership> of 
>>> the means of production<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production>, 
>>> as well as a social <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social>, 
>>> political<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political>
>>>  and econom**ic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy> ideology that 
>>> aims at the establishment of this social order".
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>> When does the Left Wing ever talk about Marxism? Does Dennis Kucinich 
>> talk about a stateless social order? Even self described socialists like 
>> Bernie Sanders or activists like Michael Moore don't say "we must get rid 
>> of money and class!". All I have ever heard from progressives is "We should 
>> pay teachers more and useless businessmen less." and "We should stop paying 
>> private contractors so much to imprison more and more people on meaningless 
>> drug charges". I have hung out with many anarchists, feminists, hippies, 
>> and rabid left wing ideologues socially throughout my life and have never - 
>> ever - heard anyone mention communism or Marxism in any kind of political 
>> context at all. Most of what I know about Marxism has come from 
>> Libertarians and Republicans holding up its ghost in effigy.
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> Well you're not living in the right country then... And an anarchist who 
> would not talk about about a classless goal... well cannot be an 
> "anarchist" which means "without hierarchy/authority" not without rules, 
> that is anomie.
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What does where I live have to do with anything? Are you saying that only 
people who want to see the US paved over and sold to WalMart are real 
Americans? When I say that people I have known are anarchists I mean that 
they have anarchic sympathies - not that they advocate a permanent 
realization of total anarchy. 

Craig


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>> Craig
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>>> Onward!
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>>> Stephen
>>> http://webpages.charter.net/**stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html 
>>> <http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html>
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