2012/8/31 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>

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> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:55:35 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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>>  On 8/30/2012 6:35 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:16:14 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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>>> Hi Craig,
>>>
>>>     Umm, ever hear of the concept of "Heaven"? It sounds very much like
>>> a "a future society with a perfect anything or that morals were
>>> unnecessary".
>>>
>>
>> Sure, but when does the Left Wing ever talk about Heaven?
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> Hi Craig,
>>
>>     Umm, the Marxists have an analogue... " 
>> classless<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_society>,
>> moneyless, and stateless <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_society>
>>  social order <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_order> 
>> structured<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure>
>>  upon common ownership <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ownership> of
>> the means of production<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production>,
>> as well as a social <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social>, 
>> political<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political>
>>  and econom**ic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy> ideology that
>> aims at the establishment of this social order".
>>
>
> When does the Left Wing ever talk about Marxism? Does Dennis Kucinich talk
> about a stateless social order? Even self described socialists like Bernie
> Sanders or activists like Michael Moore don't say "we must get rid of money
> and class!". All I have ever heard from progressives is "We should pay
> teachers more and useless businessmen less." and "We should stop paying
> private contractors so much to imprison more and more people on meaningless
> drug charges". I have hung out with many anarchists, feminists, hippies,
> and rabid left wing ideologues socially throughout my life and have never -
> ever - heard anyone mention communism or Marxism in any kind of political
> context at all. Most of what I know about Marxism has come from
> Libertarians and Republicans holding up its ghost in effigy.
>

Well you're not living in the right country then... And an anarchist who
would not talk about about a classless goal... well cannot be an
"anarchist" which means "without hierarchy/authority" not without rules,
that is anomie.

Quentin


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> Craig
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>> Stephen
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