On 8/30/2012 7:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:55:35 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 8/30/2012 6:35 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:16:14 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
Hi Craig,
Umm, ever hear of the concept of "Heaven"? It sounds very
much like a "a future society with a perfect anything or that
morals were unnecessary".
Sure, but when does the Left Wing ever talk about Heaven?
Craig
Hi Craig,
Umm, the Marxists have an analogue... "classless
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_society>, moneyless,
andstateless
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_society>social order
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_order>structured
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure>uponcommon
ownership <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ownership>of the
means of production
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production>, as well as
asocial <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social>,political
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political>andeconomic
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy>ideology that aims at the
establishment of this social order".
When does the Left Wing ever talk about Marxism? Does Dennis Kucinich
talk about a stateless social order? Even self described socialists
like Bernie Sanders or activists like Michael Moore don't say "we must
get rid of money and class!". All I have ever heard from progressives
is "We should pay teachers more and useless businessmen less." and "We
should stop paying private contractors so much to imprison more and
more people on meaningless drug charges". I have hung out with many
anarchists, feminists, hippies, and rabid left wing ideologues
socially throughout my life and have never - ever - heard anyone
mention communism or Marxism in any kind of political context at all.
Most of what I know about Marxism has come from Libertarians and
Republicans holding up its ghost in effigy.
Craig
Hi Craig,
They never state it explicitly, but it is the logical implication
of their arguments. "We should pay teachers more and useless
businessmen less" implies all are paid the same regardless of skill, no?
"We should stop paying private contractors so much to imprison more and
more people on meaningless drug charges" implies? Most people simply
don't try to explain their ideologies to themselves or others, whether
libertarian, republican, progressive or whatever, they are simply not
curious to know.
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Onward!
Stephen
http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html
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