On 8/30/2012 7:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:


On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:55:35 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:

    On 8/30/2012 6:35 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:


    On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:16:14 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King
    wrote:

        Hi Craig,

            Umm, ever hear of the concept of "Heaven"? It sounds very
        much like a "a future society with a perfect anything or that
        morals were unnecessary".


    Sure, but when does the Left Wing ever talk about Heaven?

    Craig

    Hi Craig,

        Umm, the Marxists have an analogue... "classless
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_society>, moneyless,
    andstateless
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_society>social order
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_order>structured
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure>uponcommon
    ownership <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ownership>of the
    means of production
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production>, as well as
    asocial <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social>,political
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political>andeconomic
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy>ideology that aims at the
    establishment of this social order".


When does the Left Wing ever talk about Marxism? Does Dennis Kucinich talk about a stateless social order? Even self described socialists like Bernie Sanders or activists like Michael Moore don't say "we must get rid of money and class!". All I have ever heard from progressives is "We should pay teachers more and useless businessmen less." and "We should stop paying private contractors so much to imprison more and more people on meaningless drug charges". I have hung out with many anarchists, feminists, hippies, and rabid left wing ideologues socially throughout my life and have never - ever - heard anyone mention communism or Marxism in any kind of political context at all. Most of what I know about Marxism has come from Libertarians and Republicans holding up its ghost in effigy.

Craig

Hi Craig,

They never state it explicitly, but it is the logical implication of their arguments. "We should pay teachers more and useless businessmen less" implies all are paid the same regardless of skill, no? "We should stop paying private contractors so much to imprison more and more people on meaningless drug charges" implies? Most people simply don't try to explain their ideologies to themselves or others, whether libertarian, republican, progressive or whatever, they are simply not curious to know.


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Onward!

Stephen

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