On Friday, August 31, 2012 12:22:14 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>  On 8/31/2012 8:56 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> On Friday, August 31, 2012 8:39:12 AM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: 
>>     ACK! I do not ever wish to get into this briar-patch! We could 
>> endlessly site particular studies of particular circumstances, but I 
>> thought that we where considering big picture concepts. My mistake. My 
>> opinion is that whatever the particular intensions might be, we can judge 
>> by the results whether or not a policy is worth keeping. 
> I agree, but how can you tell what isn't working when everything that 
> matters is getting worse? I say we should experiment with different 
> policies in different regions and compare them scientifically. Let people 
> move to where they feel most at home.
> Hi Craig,
>     The places that have fences around them to keep people "in" stand out 
> as the failures. 

If you have a high population and low ownership of resources, you don't 
need fences to fail. You can find examples of success and failure 
regardless of the economic system.

Uruguay, Armenia, El Salvador, Botswana, Peru, Columbia, Mexico, Albania, 
Belize, Uganda, Guatemala, have capitalist economies while Sweden is 
socialist and China is Communist.

>>  Our current system is obviously imperfect, but is perfection even 
>> possible? 
> That was the point, I don't think that anyone is suggesting perfection at 
> all. Progressive views are just that: progress-ive. Try to make things less 
> horrible for more people.
>     Sure, I can speak only to what I have seen for myself. Most policies 
> that I see so-called progressives proposing are not satisfying your 
> definition. Thus my remarks.

My view is that the Democrats tend to tell you they are going to do good 
things and then not do them while the Republicans will do bad things and 
tell you it is actually good. I don't think either party is progressive.  
If Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders could agree on a candidate, I would vote for 



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