2012/8/31 Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> > > > On Friday, August 31, 2012 4:14:37 AM UTC-4, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> 2012/8/31 Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> >> >> >>> >>> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:55:35 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: >>>> >>>> On 8/30/2012 6:35 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:16:14 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Craig, >>>>> >>>>> Umm, ever hear of the concept of "Heaven"? It sounds very much >>>>> like a "a future society with a perfect anything or that morals were >>>>> unnecessary". >>>>> >>>> >>>> Sure, but when does the Left Wing ever talk about Heaven? >>>> >>>> Craig >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Craig, >>>> >>>> Umm, the Marxists have an analogue... " >>>> classless<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_society>, >>>> moneyless, and stateless<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_society> >>>> social order <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_order> >>>> structured<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure> >>>> upon common ownership <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ownership> of >>>> the means of production<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production>, >>>> as well as a social <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social>, >>>> political<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political> >>>> and econom****ic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy> ideology that >>>> aims at the establishment of this social order". >>>> >>> >>> When does the Left Wing ever talk about Marxism? Does Dennis Kucinich >>> talk about a stateless social order? Even self described socialists like >>> Bernie Sanders or activists like Michael Moore don't say "we must get rid >>> of money and class!". All I have ever heard from progressives is "We should >>> pay teachers more and useless businessmen less." and "We should stop paying >>> private contractors so much to imprison more and more people on meaningless >>> drug charges". I have hung out with many anarchists, feminists, hippies, >>> and rabid left wing ideologues socially throughout my life and have never - >>> ever - heard anyone mention communism or Marxism in any kind of political >>> context at all. Most of what I know about Marxism has come from >>> Libertarians and Republicans holding up its ghost in effigy. >>> >> >> Well you're not living in the right country then... And an anarchist who >> would not talk about about a classless goal... well cannot be an >> "anarchist" which means "without hierarchy/authority" not without rules, >> that is anomie. >> > > What does where I live have to do with anything? >
Because if you had come to europe, you would have seen people advocating communism, anarchism, socialism... but you'll had hard time finding libertarian. Quentin > Are you saying that only people who want to see the US paved over and sold > to WalMart are real Americans? When I say that people I have known are > anarchists I mean that they have anarchic sympathies - not that they > advocate a permanent realization of total anarchy. > > Craig > > >> Quentin >> >> >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> -- >>>> Onward! >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> http://webpages.charter.net/**st**ephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html >>>> <http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html> >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >>> msg/everything-list/-/-**We2MSfPkrkJ<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/-We2MSfPkrkJ> >>> . >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@** >>> googlegroups.com. >>> >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>> . >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/uL-e1u4uJA8J. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
