2012/8/31 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>

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> On Friday, August 31, 2012 4:14:37 AM UTC-4, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>> 2012/8/31 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com>
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>>> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:55:35 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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>>>>  On 8/30/2012 6:35 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>>>> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:16:14 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Craig,
>>>>>
>>>>>     Umm, ever hear of the concept of "Heaven"? It sounds very much
>>>>> like a "a future society with a perfect anything or that morals were
>>>>> unnecessary".
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure, but when does the Left Wing ever talk about Heaven?
>>>>
>>>> Craig
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>>>>
>>>> Hi Craig,
>>>>
>>>>     Umm, the Marxists have an analogue... " 
>>>> classless<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_society>,
>>>> moneyless, and stateless<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_society>
>>>>  social order <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_order> 
>>>> structured<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure>
>>>>  upon common ownership <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ownership> of
>>>> the means of production<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production>,
>>>> as well as a social <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social>, 
>>>> political<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political>
>>>>  and econom****ic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy> ideology that
>>>> aims at the establishment of this social order".
>>>>
>>>
>>> When does the Left Wing ever talk about Marxism? Does Dennis Kucinich
>>> talk about a stateless social order? Even self described socialists like
>>> Bernie Sanders or activists like Michael Moore don't say "we must get rid
>>> of money and class!". All I have ever heard from progressives is "We should
>>> pay teachers more and useless businessmen less." and "We should stop paying
>>> private contractors so much to imprison more and more people on meaningless
>>> drug charges". I have hung out with many anarchists, feminists, hippies,
>>> and rabid left wing ideologues socially throughout my life and have never -
>>> ever - heard anyone mention communism or Marxism in any kind of political
>>> context at all. Most of what I know about Marxism has come from
>>> Libertarians and Republicans holding up its ghost in effigy.
>>>
>>
>> Well you're not living in the right country then... And an anarchist who
>> would not talk about about a classless goal... well cannot be an
>> "anarchist" which means "without hierarchy/authority" not without rules,
>> that is anomie.
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> What does where I live have to do with anything?
>

Because if you had come to europe, you would have seen people advocating
communism, anarchism, socialism... but you'll had hard time finding
libertarian.

Quentin


> Are you saying that only people who want to see the US paved over and sold
> to WalMart are real Americans? When I say that people I have known are
> anarchists I mean that they have anarchic sympathies - not that they
> advocate a permanent realization of total anarchy.
>
> Craig
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>> Quentin
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>>> Craig
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>>>  --
>>>> Onward!
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>>>> Stephen
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