Hi Craig Weinberg 

It's a non-brainer.

The Marxist model of man and his government as being saintly and always
thinking of the good of the whole flies in the face of reality. Here 
in the real world, man goes out each day in his basic search for money, 
sex, and power.


Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
8/31/2012 
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him 
so that everything could function."
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On Friday, August 31, 2012 4:14:37 AM UTC-4, Quentin Anciaux wrote:



2012/8/31 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com>



On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:55:35 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 8/30/2012 6:35 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:



On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:16:14 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: 
Hi Craig,

    Umm, ever hear of the concept of "Heaven"? It sounds very much like a "a 
future society with a perfect anything or that morals were unnecessary".


Sure, but when does the Left Wing ever talk about Heaven?

Craig 


Hi Craig,

    Umm, the Marxists have an analogue... " classless, moneyless, and stateless 
social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as 
well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the 
establishment of this social order".


When does the Left Wing ever talk about Marxism? Does Dennis Kucinich talk 
about a stateless social order? Even self described socialists like Bernie 
Sanders or activists like Michael Moore don't say "we must get rid of money and 
class!". All I have ever heard from progressives is "We should pay teachers 
more and useless businessmen less." and "We should stop paying private 
contractors so much to imprison more and more people on meaningless drug 
charges". I have hung out with many anarchists, feminists, hippies, and rabid 
left wing ideologues socially throughout my life and have never - ever - heard 
anyone mention communism or Marxism in any kind of political context at all. 
Most of what I know about Marxism has come from Libertarians and Republicans 
holding up its ghost in effigy.


Well you're not living in the right country then... And an anarchist who would 
not talk about about a classless goal... well cannot be an "anarchist" which 
means "without hierarchy/authority" not without rules, that is anomie.


What does where I live have to do with anything? Are you saying that only 
people who want to see the US paved over and sold to WalMart are real 
Americans? When I say that people I have known are anarchists I mean that they 
have anarchic sympathies - not that they advocate a permanent realization of 
total anarchy. 

Craig



Quentin
 

Craig



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