2012/8/31 Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> > > > On Friday, August 31, 2012 8:30:50 AM UTC-4, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> 2012/8/31 Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> >> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, August 31, 2012 4:14:37 AM UTC-4, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2012/8/31 Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:55:35 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/30/2012 6:35 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:16:14 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Craig, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Umm, ever hear of the concept of "Heaven"? It sounds very much >>>>>>> like a "a future society with a perfect anything or that morals were >>>>>>> unnecessary". >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure, but when does the Left Wing ever talk about Heaven? >>>>>> >>>>>> Craig >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Craig, >>>>>> >>>>>> Umm, the Marxists have an analogue... " >>>>>> classless<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_society>, >>>>>> moneyless, and stateless<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_society> >>>>>> social order <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_order> >>>>>> structured<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure> >>>>>> upon common ownership<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ownership> >>>>>> of the means of >>>>>> production<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production>, >>>>>> as well as a social <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social>, >>>>>> political<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political> >>>>>> and econom******ic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy> ideology >>>>>> that aims at the establishment of this social order". >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When does the Left Wing ever talk about Marxism? Does Dennis Kucinich >>>>> talk about a stateless social order? Even self described socialists like >>>>> Bernie Sanders or activists like Michael Moore don't say "we must get rid >>>>> of money and class!". All I have ever heard from progressives is "We >>>>> should >>>>> pay teachers more and useless businessmen less." and "We should stop >>>>> paying >>>>> private contractors so much to imprison more and more people on >>>>> meaningless >>>>> drug charges". I have hung out with many anarchists, feminists, hippies, >>>>> and rabid left wing ideologues socially throughout my life and have never >>>>> - >>>>> ever - heard anyone mention communism or Marxism in any kind of political >>>>> context at all. Most of what I know about Marxism has come from >>>>> Libertarians and Republicans holding up its ghost in effigy. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Well you're not living in the right country then... And an anarchist >>>> who would not talk about about a classless goal... well cannot be an >>>> "anarchist" which means "without hierarchy/authority" not without rules, >>>> that is anomie. >>>> >>> >>> What does where I live have to do with anything? >>> >> >> Because if you had come to europe, you would have seen people advocating >> communism, anarchism, socialism... but you'll had hard time finding >> libertarian. >> > > I have 'come to Europe' several times but I don't need to move there to > find political diversity. I grew up in California. Where political > diversity is needed the most is where it is absent. Isn't that the point of > diversity? >
You were the one saying "I have hung out with many anarchists, feminists, hippies, and rabid left wing ideologues socially throughout my life and *have never - ever - heard* anyone mention communism or Marxism in any kind of political context at all." ..... > > Craig > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/QrEm2qQw4PYJ. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
