2012/8/31 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>

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> On Friday, August 31, 2012 8:30:50 AM UTC-4, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>> 2012/8/31 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com>
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>>> On Friday, August 31, 2012 4:14:37 AM UTC-4, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>>>> 2012/8/31 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com>
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>>>>> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:55:35 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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>>>>>>  On 8/30/2012 6:35 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>>>>>> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:16:14 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King
>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>> Hi Craig,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Umm, ever hear of the concept of "Heaven"? It sounds very much
>>>>>>> like a "a future society with a perfect anything or that morals were
>>>>>>> unnecessary".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, but when does the Left Wing ever talk about Heaven?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Craig
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>>>>>> Hi Craig,
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>>>>>>     Umm, the Marxists have an analogue... " 
>>>>>> classless<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_society>,
>>>>>> moneyless, and stateless<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_society>
>>>>>>  social order <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_order> 
>>>>>> structured<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure>
>>>>>>  upon common ownership<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ownership>
>>>>>>  of the means of 
>>>>>> production<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production>,
>>>>>> as well as a social <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social>, 
>>>>>> political<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political>
>>>>>>  and econom******ic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy> ideology
>>>>>> that aims at the establishment of this social order".
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>>>>>
>>>>> When does the Left Wing ever talk about Marxism? Does Dennis Kucinich
>>>>> talk about a stateless social order? Even self described socialists like
>>>>> Bernie Sanders or activists like Michael Moore don't say "we must get rid
>>>>> of money and class!". All I have ever heard from progressives is "We 
>>>>> should
>>>>> pay teachers more and useless businessmen less." and "We should stop 
>>>>> paying
>>>>> private contractors so much to imprison more and more people on 
>>>>> meaningless
>>>>> drug charges". I have hung out with many anarchists, feminists, hippies,
>>>>> and rabid left wing ideologues socially throughout my life and have never 
>>>>> -
>>>>> ever - heard anyone mention communism or Marxism in any kind of political
>>>>> context at all. Most of what I know about Marxism has come from
>>>>> Libertarians and Republicans holding up its ghost in effigy.
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>>>>
>>>> Well you're not living in the right country then... And an anarchist
>>>> who would not talk about about a classless goal... well cannot be an
>>>> "anarchist" which means "without hierarchy/authority" not without rules,
>>>> that is anomie.
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>>> What does where I live have to do with anything?
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>> Because if you had come to europe, you would have seen people advocating
>> communism, anarchism, socialism... but you'll had hard time finding
>> libertarian.
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> I have 'come to Europe' several times but I don't need to move there to
> find political diversity. I grew up in California. Where political
> diversity is needed the most is where it is absent. Isn't that the point of
> diversity?
>

You were the one saying "I have hung out with many anarchists, feminists,
hippies, and rabid left wing ideologues socially throughout my life and *have
never - ever - heard* anyone mention communism or Marxism in any kind of
political context at all."
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