On Friday, August 31, 2012 8:30:50 AM UTC-4, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2012/8/31 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > >> >> >> On Friday, August 31, 2012 4:14:37 AM UTC-4, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> 2012/8/31 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:55:35 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 8/30/2012 6:35 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:16:14 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Craig, >>>>>> >>>>>> Umm, ever hear of the concept of "Heaven"? It sounds very much >>>>>> like a "a future society with a perfect anything or that morals were >>>>>> unnecessary". >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sure, but when does the Left Wing ever talk about Heaven? >>>>> >>>>> Craig >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Craig, >>>>> >>>>> Umm, the Marxists have an analogue... " >>>>> classless<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_society>, >>>>> moneyless, and stateless<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_society> >>>>> social order <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_order> >>>>> structured<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure> >>>>> upon common ownership <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ownership> >>>>> of the means of >>>>> production<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production>, >>>>> as well as a social <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social>, >>>>> political<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political> >>>>> and econom****ic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy> ideology >>>>> that aims at the establishment of this social order". >>>>> >>>> >>>> When does the Left Wing ever talk about Marxism? Does Dennis Kucinich >>>> talk about a stateless social order? Even self described socialists like >>>> Bernie Sanders or activists like Michael Moore don't say "we must get rid >>>> of money and class!". All I have ever heard from progressives is "We >>>> should >>>> pay teachers more and useless businessmen less." and "We should stop >>>> paying >>>> private contractors so much to imprison more and more people on >>>> meaningless >>>> drug charges". I have hung out with many anarchists, feminists, hippies, >>>> and rabid left wing ideologues socially throughout my life and have never >>>> - >>>> ever - heard anyone mention communism or Marxism in any kind of political >>>> context at all. Most of what I know about Marxism has come from >>>> Libertarians and Republicans holding up its ghost in effigy. >>>> >>> >>> Well you're not living in the right country then... And an anarchist who >>> would not talk about about a classless goal... well cannot be an >>> "anarchist" which means "without hierarchy/authority" not without rules, >>> that is anomie. >>> >> >> What does where I live have to do with anything? >> > > Because if you had come to europe, you would have seen people advocating > communism, anarchism, socialism... but you'll had hard time finding > libertarian. >
I have 'come to Europe' several times but I don't need to move there to find political diversity. I grew up in California. Where political diversity is needed the most is where it is absent. Isn't that the point of diversity? Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/QrEm2qQw4PYJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
