Hi Stephen P. King No. Think of how decisions are made. There has to be an external thinker who is not part of the problem who makes the decision.
In a chess game, the rooks and pawns do not choose their own moves. The players, who are external, do. Roger Clough, [email protected] 9/25/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-24, 10:56:41 Subject: Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment On 9/24/2012 10:13 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > A computer being not conscious ? All computer operations > (to my mind,probably not yours) are actual (in spacetime). > But consciousness is an inherent (mental, not in spacetime) > activity. > > Cs = subject + object > > A computer has no inherent realms, no conscious self or observer. > > Instead, a computer is all object (completely in the objective realm), > no subject. Hi Roger, I disagree. You are merely stipulating that there is no "self" possible and thus conclude the obvious implication. If we permit consideration of an internal modeling system then the possibility of a conscious self becomes just a matter of discovering whether or not the technical means of implementing an internal modeling and updating process are actual. There strong reasons to consider that a physical object and its evolution in time are, effectively, the best possible simulation of that physical system, thus a physical system is, FAPP, its own best possible model. If there is a feedback between the physical states of the system and its simulation that has come causal efficacy then I would propose that we must consider that physical system to be, in fact, conscious. -- Onward! Stephen http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
