On 17 Oct 2012, at 19:12, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Sorry, I lost the thread on the doctor, and don't know what Craig
believes about the p-zombie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie
"A philosophical zombie or p-zombie in the philosophy of mind and
perception is a hypothetical being
that is indistinguishable from a normal human being except in that
it lacks conscious experience, qualia, or sentience.[1] When a
zombie is poked with a sharp object, for example, it does not feel
any pain though it behaves
exactly as if it does feel pain (it may say "ouch" and recoil from
the stimulus, or tell us that it is in intense pain)."
My guess is that this is the solipsism issue, to which I would say
that if it has no mind, it cannot converse with you,
which would be a test for solipsism,-- which I just now found in
typing the first part of this sentence.
Solipsism makes everyone zombie except you.
But in some context some people might conceive that zombie exists,
without making everyone zombie. Craig believes that computers, if they
might behave like conscious individuals would be a zombie, but he is
no solipsist.
There is no test for solipsism, nor for zombieness. BY definition,
almost. A zombie behaves exactly like a human being. There is no 3p
features that you could use at all to make a direct test. Now a theory
which admits zombie, can have other features which might be testable,
and so some indirect test are logically conceivable, relatively to
some theory.
Bruno
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/17/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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On 16 Oct 2012, at 15:33, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/16/2012 9:20 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
Thanks. My mistake was to say that P's position is that
consciousness, arises at (or above ?)
the level of noncomputability. He just seems to
say that intuiton does. But that just seems
to be a conjecture of his.
ugh, rclo...@verizon.net
10/16/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
Hi Roger,
IMHO, computability can only capture at most a "simulation" of the
content of consciousness, but we can deduce a lot from that ...
So you do say "no" to the doctor? And you do follow Craig on the
existence of p-zombie?
Bruno
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