On Monday, December 17, 2012 9:12:39 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > > Hi Roger, > > Lakoff is correct about conservatism and the father. >> It is not a pathology, however, to respect your parents, >> > > Agreed. > > >> and respect is a mixture of love and fear. >> > > For me respect is a mixture of love and admiration, which are things that > have to be earned. I loved and admired my father. I never feared him. To > fear him I would have to believe that he was willing to harm me, and that > would probably interfere with the love/admiration part. >
Yes. Fear within the family is unquestionably pathological. People who have lived with fear I think are compelled to rationalize it by equating it with Fright - which is a natural state of exhilaration and vigilance in the presence of a potential sudden threat. Fear serves nothing but tyranny, vanity, and perversion. Stamping out fear of every kind in the world is a worthy cause. Admiration is the healthy basis for a natural family hierarchy. Unconditional love means that you know that your parents and you are nearly the same people and that it will always be their good pleasure to support you in anything that you truly want to be or do. > My mother is a catholic and my father was agnostic. He agreed to put me > through religious school and remain neutral on the entire thing. Up to one > day when I was a little kid and couldn't sleep because I was afraid of > going to hell. He told me: "don't worry, that god they are telling you > about doesn't exist". It was the biggest relief in my life. > > Religion tried to instill fear into me, when I was a little kid and > psychologically vulnerable. My father taught me how to be a decent human > being, no strings attached. Guess who I still love these days? > That's the thing, proponents of tough love don't ever seem to dare to look for falsification. I was just debating this on Quora last week with a guy telling me how his parents punished him and they were the greatest parents, but then said he had committed 50 felonies including armed robbery by the time he was 17. Uhh, ok. Stockholm syndrome much? Craig > > >> That's one of the ten commandments. >> >> And if people feared God more, incidents like the >> mass murders in CT would be much fewer. God >> should be returned to the classroom. It doesn't have to be >> the Christian God. >> > > Let's not even discuss the mountain of atrocities that were committed in > God's name. A recent one: 9/11. > > The USA (a country I greatly admire for its many achievements, including > its constitution) is currently the least secular country in the western > world. Yet it's the only place where this stuff is happening. How come? > > Here in godless Europe we have the lowest levels of church attendance > ever, legalised prostitution, gay marriage, decriminalised drugs and it's > ok to show female breasts on TV. Yet none of that stuff is happening here. > The only similar event we had was perpetrated by a god fearing hard-core > conservative. > > >> >> The Women's Movement has unfortunately killed >> the father in their understable desire for wage equality etc. >> > > I had a great father. Many of my childhood friends did too, and then > became fathers themselves, and they seem to be doing well. What do you mean > exactly? > > >> I challenge you to find one ad on TV or radio that >> does not feature a man as other than a fool. >> > > >> >> And the death of the father has turned progressives into >> anarchists. The death of the father is the deathy of morality. >> It's the main problem with society today. >> > > By objective metrics measuring violence, society nowadays is the best it > ever was. The likelihood of you being the victim of a violent crime is the > lowest ever. Mainstream media blows things out of proportion, that's all. > > Best, > Telmo. > > >> >> >> [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] <javascript:> >> 12/17/2012 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >> >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> *From:* Craig Weinberg <javascript:> >> *Receiver:* everything-list <javascript:> >> *Time:* 2012-12-16, 01:02:40 >> *Subject:* Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:15:28 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: >>> >>> On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>> >>> Can you answer my question? >>>> >>> >>> Because conservatives generally speak from the perspective of the >>> dominant culture. >>> >>> >>> Hi Craig, >>> >>> Are there some other characteristics of conservatives that >>> identifies them? Does the particular nature of the culture matter for you? >>> >> >> Lakoff seems to be on to something when he says that conservatives >> represent the view of the strict father oriented family. Which gibes with >> the whole 'pathology rooted in fear and aggression' diagnosis in that study >> I quoted. >> >>> >>> The perspective is always - 'people who aren't like me have it easy' >>> or 'inequality isn't important'. It's never 'yes, of course as a white male >>> in the US, I am among the most privileged people who has ever lived, and I >>> recognize the problems that might pose to others outside of my group and >>> how important it is to address those problems and participate with those >>> others as equals to the extent that I can.' >>> >>> >>> >>> OK, being born into a class automatically places a burden on one's >>> life or otherwise coerces a person to act in a certain way? Really? Is this >>> an absolute fact? Care for a minority report on that? >>> >> >> It's not about how a person acts, it's about where the person is allowed >> to act. What country clubs they have access to. How long they have to tour >> Europe after college before they get come home and apply for six figure >> jobs. >> >> >> Craig >> >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Onward! >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/QYV1w-m-5E8J. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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